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00:00:15 - Life before baseball / relationship with Commissioner Chandler

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Partial Transcript: I think the, the, period I want to cover with you is the time that you took over the Cardinals...

Segment Synopsis: Saigh explains his beginnings in real estate. He tells how he came to meet Sam Breadon, who eventually sold Saigh and Robert Hannegan the St. Louis Cardinals. He also elaborates on his bitterness towards Happy Chandler, and how Chandler's connections with the Kennedys impacted him (Saigh) negatively.

Keywords: 1946; Articles; Ball clubs; IRS; Kennedys; Lawyers; Payment "under the table"; Playboy Magazine; President of the United States; Prostate cancer; Questionable transactions; Real estate; Robert Hannegan; Tenants; Washington D.C.

Subjects: Baseball commissioners; Baseball team owners; Breadon, Sam, 1876-1949; Chandler, Happy, 1898-1991; Saigh, Fred; Truman, Harry S., 1884-1972

00:10:04 - Collecting money to buy the St. Louis Cardinals

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Partial Transcript: Well, um, can you tell me... you, you mentioned, um, that you put this together...

Segment Synopsis: Saigh tells how he and Bob Hannegan got the funds necessary to buy the St. Louis Cardinals.

Keywords: Ball clubs; Bob Hannegan; Civil suits; Conglomerates; Depreciation; Farm system; Financial credit; Government contest; Rodchester; Stock; Tax court

Subjects: Baseball team owners; Saigh, Fred; St. Louis Cardinals (Baseball Team)

00:12:23 - Becoming an owner of the Cardinals without having previous baseball experience / baseball operations

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Partial Transcript: Um, again you had no baseball background at all. Were you a fan?

Segment Synopsis: Saigh describes his career change in becoming an owner of the St. Louis Cardinals from his previous career. He alludes to the league's pay structure for players at that time, which was non-union. He also touches on his business partner Hannegan's and Happy Chandler's political affiliations.

Keywords: 1948; Ball games; Ball players; Baseball fans; Baseball games; Bob Hannegan; Democrats; Fans; Independent commissioner; Miller; Owners; Player salaries; Problems; Republicans; Unions

Subjects: Baseball commissioners; Baseball players; Baseball team owners; Breadon, Sam, 1876-1949; Chandler, Happy, 1898-1991; Frick, Ford C.; Landis, Kenesaw Mountain, 1866-1944; Saigh, Fred; St. Louis Cardinals (Baseball Team)

00:16:01 - Negative incidents between Saigh and Chandler

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Partial Transcript: He wasn't doing everything for the best interest of baseball, mostly it was for the best interest of Happy.

Segment Synopsis: Saigh discusses a particular television contract that he describes as benefiting Happy Chandler more than it did Major League baseball. He also discusses going to New York to meet the commissioner and work out a deal in the Lanier-Martin case. He tells how he realized that the commissioner was weak and was manipulating in his views.

Keywords: "Lanier-Martin Case"; "Little commie"; "Mexican negotiation"; 6 year contracts; ABC (network); Best interests; Courts; Displeasure; FBI; Federal Bureau of Investigation; Gambling; Insurance; J. Edgar Hoover; Las Vegas; Lawyers; Liberalization; Long-term contracts; Negotiators; Phone calls; Reserve clauses; Rumors; Selfishness; Stations; Sueing; Suffering; Television

Subjects: Baseball commissioners; Baseball team owners; Chandler, Happy, 1898-1991; Gardella, Daniel L.; New York (N.Y.); New York Giants (Baseball Team); Saigh, Fred; Versailles (Ky.); Webb, Del E., 1899-1974

00:27:19 - A Baptist minister's request to cancel a Sunday night baseball game

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Partial Transcript: About that time, uh, the Sunday evening game came along, and, uh, we had a baptist minister here who...

Segment Synopsis: Saigh recalls a Baptist minister's request that a Sunday evening baseball game not be played, in observance of the Sabbath. He explains how Branch Rickey and Happy Chandler were involved in the game's cancellation. He himself did not feel that there was an issue in playing a baseball game on a Sunday night.

Keywords: Baptist ministers; Baptists; Cancellations; Church; Entertainment; Families; Football; Radio; Sunday evening games; Weakness

Subjects: Baseball commissioners; Baseball team owners; Baseball--United States--Social aspects; Chandler, Happy, 1898-1991; Rickey, Branch, 1881-1965; Saigh, Fred

00:30:02 - Professional relationship with Branch Rickey

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Partial Transcript: Talking about Rickey, um, did I digress just a little bit, um...

Segment Synopsis: Saigh describes his working relationship with Branch Rickey. In particular, he describes a particular trade arrangement they made in which both of them made a mistake in trading a pitcher.

Keywords: Bonuses; Deals; Mistakes; Paul Pettit; Rivals; Slyness; Surplus pitchers

Subjects: Baseball players; Baseball team owners; Brooklyn Dodgers (Baseball Team); New York Giants (Baseball Team); Philadelphia Phillies (Baseball Team); Rickey, Branch, 1881-1965; Saigh, Fred; St. Louis Cardinals (Baseball Team)

00:32:37 - The integration of Major League baseball / views on having African American players on his teams at that time

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Partial Transcript: Okay. Um, let me ask you a question that, um, again... Jackie Robinson broke into baseball in 1947..

Segment Synopsis: Saigh shares his position on the integration of baseball during his time as an owner of the St. Louis Cardinals. He states that he had nothing against African Americans playing on his teams. However, he points out that he was under pressure from the fans of his team, many from the South, to keep his team all white. He further explains how the integration issue affected each team in the league differently, due to regional differences related to race.

Keywords: "Black" ball players; "Jewish boys"; "Team for the South"; Baseball fans; Debt; Eastern writers; Economic issues; Fans; Howard, Wilson; Midwestern writers; Mutiny; Newspapers; Problems; Public relations problems; Radicals; Rumors; Texas; Ticket sales

Subjects: African American baseball players; Baseball team owners; Campanella, Roy, 1921-1993.; New York Yankees (Baseball Team); Newcombe, Don, 1926-; Philadelphia Phillies (Baseball Team); Robinson, Jackie, 1919-1972; Saigh, Fred

00:37:27 - Player and manager opinions on integration within the St. Louis Cardinals

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Partial Transcript: Was, was some of this because of the leadership that you had on your ball club also?

Segment Synopsis: Saigh discusses the views that his players and manager Eddie Dyer had on the integration of baseball. He suggests that Dyer was not in favor of having African American players "around". He suggests that the quality of play in Major League Baseball has worsened since African Americans have been able to participate, but also states he holds no prejudice towards African Americans.

Keywords: "Black situation"; Brooklyn club; Class of athletes; Colleges; Eddie Dyer; Houston (Tex.); Integration; Prejudice; Quality of play; Southerners; aggression; businessmen

Subjects: African American baseball players; Baseball--United States--Social aspects; Leadership; Marion, Marty, 1916-2011; Minor league baseball.; Segregation; baseball players

00:40:47 - Negotiations with Stan Musial over salaries

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Partial Transcript: I don't call it a problem, it's a nice problem in a way if it is a problem, and that is...

Segment Synopsis: Saigh briefly discusses his experiences negotiating salary and other terms with Stan Musial, who was considered to be one of the greatest players in Major League baseball history. Saigh states that Musial was a gentleman and a true team player during the time that he (Saigh) oversaw the Cardinals.

Keywords: "Grew more to get more"; Contracts; Negotiations; Salaries; Stan Musial

Subjects: Baseball players; Baseball players--Salaries, etc.--United States; Baseball team owners; Musial, Stan, 1920-2013; Saigh, Fred; St. Louis Cardinals (Baseball Team)

00:41:58 - Marty Marion as a player representative and Cardinals player / the unionization of sports

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Partial Transcript: Let's go back to Marty Marion. Um, you talked in terms of the way baseball is today and the way it was then...

Segment Synopsis: Saigh states that he was not bothered by having Marty Marion, the National League player representative as a part of the Cardinals. He says that he did not interfere or even give advice to Marion, in order to any conflicts of interest. He also gives his feelings on unionization, and shares other information regarding salary negotiations for players during his time with the Cardinals.

Keywords: Advice; Agents; Awkwardness; Benefits; Enos Slaughter; Human nature; Interference; Investors; Minimum salaries; National League player representative; Negotiations; Pension plans; Player representatives; Self-serving; Unions

Subjects: Baseball players--Salaries, etc.--United States; Baseball team owners; Landis, Kenesaw Mountain, 1866-1944; Major League Baseball (Organization); Marion, Marty, 1916-2011; National League (Major League Baseball); Saigh, Fred

00:47:51 - Max Lanier's defection to the Mexican League / role of the baseball commissioner

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Partial Transcript: When Hal Lanier came back, not Hal Lanier-- Max Lanier...

Segment Synopsis: Saigh discusses a former St.Louis Cardinal pitcher, Max Lanier, who was one of the players who defected to the Mexican League. He later tried to return and faced legal battles with both Commissioner Chandler and Major League baseball in general. He shares more of his views on Chandler and mentions several other people whom he considered to have been better candidates for baseball commissioner.

Keywords: "Shenanigans"; Backaches; Eisenhower, Milton; Fear; Judge Douglas (Supreme Court); Living conditions; Majorities; Mexico; Weakness

Subjects: Baseball commissioners; Baseball players; Baseball team owners; Chandler, Happy, 1898-1991; Eisenhower, Dwight D. (Dwight David), 1890-1969; Frick, Ford C.; Landis, Kenesaw Mountain, 1866-1944; Lanier, Max; Pitchers (Baseball)

00:53:54 - Chandler's friends during his commissionership / possible reasons for Chandler's seeking their friendship

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Partial Transcript: But you recorded a couple of times in the press as feeling very strongly that Chandler treated his friends in one way...

Segment Synopsis: Saigh gives his opinion on who Happy Chandler's friends were during his time as commissioner, also providing a list of people he thought that Chandler "liked." He also provides information on individuals Chandler "hated", and suggests that Chandler was more "awed by people" than friends with them.

Keywords: "Ass-kisser"; "Dealer in baseball"; Connie Mack; Dan Topping; Ellis Ryan; Friends; Griffith; Owners; Walter O. Briggs; Young Carpenter

Subjects: Baseball commissioners; Baseball team owners; Baseball--Management; Chandler, Happy, 1898-1991; Cincinnati (Ohio); Detroit (Mich.); Galbreath, John W. (John Wilmer), 1897-; Giles, Warren C. (Warren Crandall), 1896-1979; National League (Major League Baseball); O'Malley, Walter F. (Walter Frank), 1903-1979; Veeck, Bill; Wrigley, Philip K. (Philip Knight), 1894-1977

00:59:31 - Reasons for the creation of the player pension plan

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Partial Transcript: Also, another thing. Um, Chandler was prone to take credit for a number of things that happened during the period that he was commissioner.

Segment Synopsis: Saigh explains how player pensions in Major League baseball came about. He states that it was not only brought about by the players, but also by management and ownership within baseball.

Keywords: Baseball players' unions; Businessmen; Club owners; Employee insurance; Extra funds; Management; Pension funds; Radio; Television; Unions

Subjects: Baseball commissioners; Baseball players; Baseball players--Salaries, etc.--United States; Baseball team owners; Baseball--Management; Major League Baseball (Organization)

01:02:45 - The cancelled Sunday night game and its handling by the commissioner and league president

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Partial Transcript: Let me go back to the, the night game difficulty that you had...

Segment Synopsis: Saigh elaborates more on the cancelling of the Sunday night game due to complaints by a Baptist minister in the St. Louis community. He cites some of the problems and the lack of communication between the league president and the commissioner at that time.

Keywords: Communication failures; Community; Complaints; League presidents; Newspapers; Night game; Pennant; Public relations; Religion

Subjects: Baseball team owners; Baseball--United States--Social aspects; Chandler, Happy, 1898-1991; Frick, Ford C.; Major League Baseball (Organization); Rickey, Branch, 1881-1965

01:06:48 - The end of Chandler's term as commissioner and his reaction to it

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Partial Transcript: Actually, uh, my contempt for, uh, Chandler has-- knows no limit, but it's because of the events of after he left more than the events...

Segment Synopsis: Saigh discusses some of the events and discussions that occurred prior to Chandler's dismissal by the team owners. He describes Chandler's reaction to finding out that his contract as commissioner had not been renewed.

Keywords: "Red-faced"; Carpenter; Contracts; Dan Topping; Favor; Free agents; Organized votes; Politics; Vindictiveness; Votes; Walter O. Briggs

Subjects: Baseball commissioners; Baseball team owners; Chandler, Happy, 1898-1991; Major League Baseball (Organization); Major League Baseball (Organization)--History; O'Malley, Walter F. (Walter Frank), 1903-1979; Saint Petersburg (Fla.).; Webb, Del E., 1899-1974; Wrigley, Philip K. (Philip Knight), 1894-1977; Yawkey, Thomas A., 1903-1976

01:17:19 - Chandler's attempt to blackmail Saigh into voting to reinstate him

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Partial Transcript: ...In, in that period, um, I had traded Dixon to Pittsburgh, and uh, Pittsburgh wanted to deal with me...

Segment Synopsis: Saigh discusses the March meeting in which Chandler called after being voted out as commissioner He claims that Chandler tried to pressure him and others team owners into voting to reinstate him.

Keywords: Blackmail; Cal Griffith; Dan Topping; Dixon; Meetings; New York meeting; Pittsburgh; Power; Rulings; Trading time; Trips; Votes; Walter O. Briggs

Subjects: Baseball commissioners; Baseball team owners; Chandler, Happy, 1898-1991; DeWitt, William O.; Major League Baseball (Organization); Major League Baseball (Organization)--History; McKinney, Frank E. (Frank Edward), 1904-1974; Webb, Del E., 1899-1974

01:22:25 - Commissioner Chandler's investigation of Saigh

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Partial Transcript: Another big thing that happened was that Chandler said he was having you investigated...

Segment Synopsis: Saigh discusses the investigation that Happy Chandler conducted on him. He also suggests that he himself investigated Chandler in his own way.

Keywords: "kowtow"; Cinda Barkley; Courts; FBI agents; Investigations; Kentucky; Max Pruitt; Parking spaces; Parking tickets; Speeding tickets; Sports columns; Vantage points; Vincent Flaherty

Subjects: Baseball commissioners; Baseball team owners; Chandler, Happy, 1898-1991; Saigh, Fred

01:30:05 - The secret ballot for voting on Chandler's contract / the March meeting / Walter Mulbry

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Partial Transcript: One thing I think that may have caused you some small concern was the importance of a secret ballot.

Segment Synopsis: Saigh talks about the bylaws of Major League baseball at the time, which required a secret ballot when voting on Chandler's commissionership. He also discusses the removal of Walter Mulbry as secretary-treasurer of the league, and Chandler's reaction to the vote at the March meeting.

Keywords: "Mulbry Controversy"; Bylaws; Connie Mack; Enemies; March meeting; Open votes; Owners; Reactions; Secret ballots; Speeches; Treason; Walter Mulbry

Subjects: Baseball commissioners; Baseball team owners; Chandler, Happy, 1898-1991; Galbreath, John W. (John Wilmer), 1897-; Giles, Warren C. (Warren Crandall), 1896-1979; Griffith, Clark, 1869-1955; Major League Baseball (Organization); Wrigley, Philip K. (Philip Knight), 1894-1977

01:37:46 - Feelings on Chandler's removal as commissioner / reasons for Chandler's removal

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Partial Transcript: Okay, so it left you with sort of a, a hollow feeling. You weren't feeling sorry for him because he lost his job, but you just felt sort of sick?

Segment Synopsis: Saigh explains that he never liked to fire anyone, even before he was in baseball. He states that even though he was not friends with Chandler, he did not like to strip a man of his position. He also elaborates on why he thought it was necessary to replace Chandler as commissioner.

Keywords: Family; Firings; Livelihood; Managers; Owners; Public perception; Respect

Subjects: Baseball commissioners; Baseball team owners; Chandler, Happy, 1898-1991; Major League Baseball (Organization); Major League Baseball (Organization)--History

01:39:50 - Ford Frick's becoming the new commissioner / a formal dinner thrown by the new commissioner

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Partial Transcript: After the meeting, and I don't think we really need to discuss... there was a list of 25 names...

Segment Synopsis: Saigh tells how Ford Frick was chosen to be the next commissioner of baseball after Chandler. He discusses a dinner hosted by the commissioner, that he (Saigh) skipped, that caused some controversy in the press.

Keywords: Commissioner's dinner; Red Smith; private meeting

Subjects: American League (Major League Baseball); Baseball commissioners; Baseball team owners; Chandler, Happy, 1898-1991; Frick, Ford C.; Harridge, Will, 1883-1971; New York Yankees (Baseball Team)

01:47:30 - Speculation on Saigh's actions if Chandler had remained commissioner

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Partial Transcript: What would you have done if Chandler had remained as commissioner, even though you pretty sure he was not going to...

Segment Synopsis: Saigh considers what may have occurred if Happy Chandler had remained commissioner of baseball after the 1951 meetings. He further describes his views on the commissionership and the responsibilities the position carries.

Keywords: Commissioner's office; Independence; Owners; Public viewpoints; Vida Blue

Subjects: Baseball commissioners; Baseball team owners; Chandler, Happy, 1898-1991; Saigh, Fred

01:49:00 - The "bonus rule" and the Paul Pettit case

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Partial Transcript: I'm just about through with everything I've got... Um, one thing I didn't cover that I wanted to...

Segment Synopsis: Saigh is asked to elaborate on the case involving Paul Petit, a pitcher who was traded and received a $100,000 bonus. This is given as an example of Chandler's favoritism towards particular owners and teams during his time as commissioner.

Keywords: "Bonus Rule"; $100,000 bonus; Connie Mack; Contracts; Favoritism; Flops; Paul Pettit; Pettit case; Player salaries

Subjects: Baseball commissioners; Chandler, Happy, 1898-1991; Major League Baseball (Organization); Pitchers (Baseball); baseball team owners

01:52:29 - Positive points about Chandler as baseball commissioner / Chandler's negative personality traits

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Partial Transcript: Um... if, we've talked a lot about the detrimental things that, things that, um, you know why Chandler wasn't a good commissioner...

Segment Synopsis: Saigh states the few things that he respected about Happy Chandler, but also describes other personal traits of Chandler's that he detested.

Keywords: Egotists; Families; Family men; Friendships; Laziness; Monopolies; Politicians; Pressure; Reserve clauses; Walter Mulbry; Washington D.C.; bad administrators

Subjects: Baseball commissioners; Chandler, Happy, 1898-1991

01:56:00 - Chandler's questionable activities in Kentucky politics

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Partial Transcript: I think we've covered the area pretty well. Is there anything that we haven't covered in your...

Segment Synopsis: Saigh describes some of the more questionable things that Chandler did while he was in office in Kentucky. The interview is concluded.

Keywords: Bodyguards; Illegal activity; Pools; State funds

Subjects: Barkley, Alben William, 1877-1956; Baseball commissioners; Chandler, Happy, 1898-1991