Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History

Interview with Ed Morgan, July 7 1978

Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries
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00:00:12 - Introduction / farming / logging

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Partial Transcript: This is an interview with Mr. Ed Morgan for the oral history project, Frontier Nursing Service, By Dale Deaton, at his home at Wendover, Kentucky at approximately 9:30AM on 7 July, 1978. [Silence from 00:27-1:02]

Segment Synopsis: Ed Morgan is introduced. He talks about working on the family farm. He also discusses working in the log woods.

Keywords: Agriculture; Beeches; Cattle; Corn; Cows; Drowning; Farming; Hardwood; Hogs; Jobs; Kettles; Labor; Logs; Lumber; Oaks; Pigs; Plowing; Poplars; Sawing; Slaughter; Timber; Trees; Walnut trees; Wood; Woods; Work; Working

Subjects: Family farms; Farm life.; Hyden (Ky.); Logging; Wendover (Ky.)

00:05:34 - Logging

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Partial Transcript: Well, do you remember the name of the company in Beattyville that you sold the logs to?

Segment Synopsis: Morgan talks more about working for a logging company.

Keywords: Axes; Beattyville (Ky.); Belle Point Lumber Company; Boats; Branding; Brands; Crosscut saws; Crosscutting; Cutting; Dams; Jobs; Labor; Log woods; Logs; Lumber; Mills; Oak trees; Rafts; Sawing; Sawmills; Timber; Trees; Virgin timber growth; Walnut trees; Wood; Work; Working

Subjects: Logging

00:11:40 - Coal mining in Perry County

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Partial Transcript: When you were in Perry County, what did you work at there?

Segment Synopsis: Morgan talks about his job working for the Kenevey Coal Company in Perry County, Kentucky.

Keywords: "Chalk eye"; Carbide lanterns; Deep mines; Farming; Jobs; Kenevey Coal Company; Labor; Oil lamps; Shoveling; Work; Working

Subjects: Coal miners--Kentucky--Perry County; Coal mines and mining--Kentucky--Perry County; Wages--Coal miners

00:16:19 - Great Depression

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Partial Transcript: How long did you go back and forth and do that, work in Perry County?

Segment Synopsis: Morgan discusses the effects of the stock market crash in 1929 and the Great Depression. He discusses the Works Projects Administration. He recalls early experiences with radio. He recalls the first presidential election he can remember.

Keywords: Building; C.C.C.; CCC; Chrysler Motor Company; Contract labor; Contractor; Creech Coal Company; Crops; Forestry; Government relief programs; Great Depression; Help; Jobs; Kentucky Utility; Roads; Tokyo Rose; Vote; Voting; Work; Working

Subjects: Civilian Conservation Corps (U.S.); Depressions--1929; Detroit (Mich.); Elections; Harlan County (Ky.); Kentucky--Politics and government; Leslie County (Ky.); Logging; Perry County (Ky.); Presidents--United States; Radio; Radio programs.; Radio stations; Roosevelt, Franklin D. (Franklin Delano), 1882-1945; Stock Market Crash, 1929; United States. Works

00:22:39 - Building Mary Breckinridge's cabin

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Partial Transcript: Well, during the '20s, do you recall when Mary Breckinridge came into the--to Leslie County,Wendover area?

Segment Synopsis: Morgan talks more about Mary Breckinridge and building the house she lived in when she moved to the area.

Keywords: Brown's Fork (Ky.); Building; Cabins; Community; Construction; F.N.S.; FNS; Hauling; Headquarters; Help; Helping; Highways; Home; Homes; Houses; Jobs; Labor; Land; Logs; Lumber; Money; Neighborhoods; Pine Mountain (Ky.); Property; Public welfare; Timber; Transportation; Trees; Vote; Voting; Wages; Wood; Work; Working

Subjects: Breckinridge, Mary, 1881-1965; Frontier Nursing Service, Inc.; Hazard (Ky.); Hyden (Ky.); Leslie County (Ky.); Mary Breckinridge; Roads--Design and construction--Kentucky.; Rural roads; Wendover (Ky.)

00:30:36 - Mary Breckinridge

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Partial Transcript: Do you recall what you thought about--when did you first meet her, do you remember that?

Segment Synopsis: Morgan discusses his opinion of Mary Breckinridge. He talks about the first nurses that came into the area with the Committee for Mothers and Babies.

Keywords: Ailments; Barns; Cabins; Care; Diseases; Doctors; F.N.S.; FNS; Healthcare; Help; Helping; Houses; Illnesses; Injuries; Intelligence; Jobs; Kentucky Committee for Mothers and Babies; Mothers; Public health; Rural health services; Service; Sickness; Treatment; Work; Working

Subjects: Breckinridge, Mary, 1881-1965; Frontier Nursing Service, Inc.; Hyden (Ky.); Leslie County (Ky.); Mary Breckinridge; Medical care--Appalachian Region; Medical care--Kentucky; Nurses; Nursing; Roads--Design and construction; Rural roads; Wendover (Ky.)

00:35:10 - Nurses / first car

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Partial Transcript: Did you ever know any old "granny women" that lived around here?

Segment Synopsis: Morgan talks more about nurses. He discusses his first experience driving a car.

Keywords: "Granny women"; Assistance; Assisting; Automobiles; Beech Fork (Ky.); Building; Buildings; Car accidents; Care; Cars; Child delivery; Deliver babies; Delivery; Driving; Healthcare; Help; Helping; Home birth; Home visits; Jobs; Midwifery; Midwives; Mothers; Outpost nursing centers; Practices; Wagon roads; Wrecks

Subjects: Breckinridge, Mary, 1881-1965; Childbirth; Frontier Nursing Service, Inc.; Mary Breckinridge; Medical care--Appalachian Region; Medical care--Kentucky; Nurses; Nursing; Transportation--Kentucky; Wendover (Ky.)

00:39:05 - Living in Detroit, Michigan / making moonshine

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Partial Transcript: Why--so after you built--helped build the buildings at Wendover and--and all of that is when you went to Detroit to try to get a job, right?

Segment Synopsis: Morgan talks about why he moved to Detroit, Michigan and what he did when he lived there. Morgan discusses how to make moonshine.

Keywords: Automobiles; Barrels; Boarding houses; Boiling; Bootleg; Cars; Corn; Corn meal; Enlisting; Fermenting; Hooch; Jobs; Labor; Logging; Logs; Malt; Mines; Moonshine; Studebaker; Sugar; Timber camps; Traveling; Whiskey; Work; Working

Subjects: Detroit (Mich.); Distillation; Distilling, Illicit; Harlan (Ky.); United States. Army.; Wendover (Ky.)

00:45:14 - Frontier Nursing Service horses

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Partial Transcript: Well, after you came back from Detroit, what did you do? Did you come back to Leslie County?

Segment Synopsis: Morgan talks about the horses used by the Frontier Nursing Service and whether the FNS helped the local people.

Keywords: Ailments; Barns; Building; Care; Couriers; Diseases; Doctors; F.N.S.; FNS; Grooming; Healthcare; Help; Helping; Home visits; Horses; Hospitals; Hurt; Illnesses; Injured; Injuries; Transportation; Treatment; Veterinary care; Work; Working; Wounds

Subjects: Frontier Nursing Service, Inc.; Harlan (Ky.); Horses--Care; Leslie County (Ky.); Medical care--Appalachian Region; Medical care--Kentucky; Nurses; Wendover (Ky.)

00:49:15 - Transporting a patient

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Partial Transcript: Now, this is a photograph that you have of someone being taken down a river on a--

Segment Synopsis: Morgan describes an experience helping the Frontier Nursing Service transport a patient.

Keywords: Ailments; Boats; Childbirth; Creeks; Deliver babies; Delivery; Hearts; Krypton (Ky.); L and N Railroad; Lumber; Martha Pruitt; Patients; Rivers; Trace Branch (Ky.); Trains; Travel; Treatment; Trips; Wagons

Subjects: Breckinridge, Mary, 1881-1965; Frontier Nursing Service, Inc.; Mary Breckinridge; Medical care--Appalachian Region; Medical care--Kentucky; Nurses; Transportation

00:55:00 - Labor unions / jobs

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Partial Transcript: Well, in the '30s when you were working, were you in Harlan County any time when they were having the United Mine Workers organization efforts there?

Segment Synopsis: Morgans talks a bit about labor unions in Harlan, Kentucky. He discusses the various places he has worked including Virginia and North Carolina.

Keywords: Asbestos; Asbestos shingles; Asbestos siding; Building; Buildings; Carpenters; Carpentry; Coal mines and mining; Construction; Garden House; Government housing; Houses; Housing projects; Jobs; Logging; Office buildings; Offices; Strikes; Timber; Wood; Work; Workers; Working; World War 2; World War II; World War Two

Subjects: Coal miners--Labor unions--Kentucky; Harlan County (Ky.); Housing--Appalachian Region; Labor unions--Kentucky--Harlan County.; North Carolina; Pearl Harbor (Hawaii), Attack on, 1941; United Mine Workers of America; Virginia; Wendover (Ky.); World War, 1939-1945

01:00:47 - Jobs / mineral rights

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Partial Transcript: Well, what was the reason for the travel? Was most of the timber out of here by then?

Segment Synopsis: Morgan talks more about jobs he has had. He discusses local people selling their mineral rights to coal companies.

Keywords: Appalachian Mountains; Coal; Coal mining; Contracts; Government jobs; Harvest; Jobs; Labor; Land; Logging; Logs; Mineral rights; Money; Reforest; Selling; Sold; Timber; Timber rights; Tree seedlings; Wood; Work; Working

Subjects: Alaska; Coal mines and mining--Kentucky; Leslie County (Ky.); United States. Navy.

01:05:04 - School / parties

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Partial Transcript: What type of schools did they have when you were growing up here? How far did you go in school?

Segment Synopsis: Morgan talks about going to school. He describes several social events including parties and dances.

Keywords: Arithmetic; Baptizing; Berea (Ky.); Books; Church meetings; College; Dances; Dinners; Homes; Houses; Learning; McGuffy Reader; Paid; Parties; Party; Police; Revivals; School supplies; Sheriffs; Social activities; Social life and customs; Socializing; Suppers; Teaching; Training; Wages; Work; Working

Subjects: Education, Elementary; Law enforcement; Leslie County (Ky.); Rural churches; Rural schools--Appalachian Region; Rural schools--Kentucky; Teachers

01:11:18 - Law enforcement / jobs and travel

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Partial Transcript: Well, how about the law enforcement? Were the sheriffs around and available when you needed them?

Segment Synopsis: Morgan talks about local law enforcement. He talks more about the various jobs he had around the country.

Keywords: Arrest; Brashear Lumber Company; Crimes; Criminals; Guns; Horseback; Horses; Jobs; Kill; Labor; Murder; Pay; Police; Protection; Sheriffs; Shifts; Sunshine Biscuit; Travel; Wages; Weapons; Working

Subjects: Alaska; Law enforcement; Leslie County (Ky.); Maine; Rural crimes--Kentucky; Telephone; Work

01:15:31 - FNS and Mary Breckinridge in Leslie County

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Partial Transcript: Well, in general, as far as Leslie County is concerned, what do you think that--that the people of the Frontier Nursing Service has--have contributed to Leslie County that wouldn't have been available had they not been here?

Segment Synopsis: Morgan discusses whether the Frontier Nursing Service has benefited Leslie County, Kentucky. Morgan talks about how his father convinced Mary Breckinridge to stay in Leslie County.

Keywords: Care; Children; Civil War majors; F.N.S.; FNS; Health; Healthcare; Healthy; Hearts; Help; Helping; Horses; Immunizations; Land; Ozark Mountains; Patients; Public health; Rural health services; Serve; Service; Shots; Treatment

Subjects: Breckinridge, Mary, 1881-1965; Frontier Nursing Service, Inc.; Leslie County (Ky.); Mary Breckinridge; Medical care--Appalachian Region; Medical care--Kentucky; Medicine, Rural; Nurses; Nursing

01:20:16 - Working in the coal mines

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Partial Transcript: Well, what about the 1950s? What did you work at then?

Segment Synopsis: Morgan talks about his experiences working in the coal mines in Leslie County, Kentucky including discussion on wages and unions.

Keywords: Coal seams; Electric motors; Hauling; Jobs; Mine cars; Mine carts; Money; Morgan Coal Company; Mules; Rails; Retire; Retirement; Salaries; Union mines; United Mine Workers; Wooten's Creek (Ky.); Work; Working

Subjects: Coal miners--Kentucky--Leslie County; Coal miners--Labor unions--Kentucky; Coal mines and mining--Kentucky--Leslie County; Hyden (Ky.); Social security--United States; Wages--Coal miners

01:26:18 - Danger in the coal mines

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Partial Transcript: Well, the people that worked in the coal mines, did you notice anything about them that was different than workers that worked in factories or in those housing projects or anything?

Segment Synopsis: Morgan discusses how miners felt about the dangers of the coal mines.

Keywords: Afraid; Bosses; Danger; Dust masks; Factories; Fear; Hard hats; Health; Helmets; Housing projects; Jobs; Labor; Safety; Safety equipment; Safety goggles; Work; Workers; Working

Subjects: Coal mine accidents; Coal miners--Kentucky--Leslie County; Coal mines and mining--Kentucky--Leslie County; Coal mines and mining--Safety measures; Mine safety

01:30:34 - Black lung / funerals / religion

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Partial Transcript: Do you think most of the workers that worked in the coal mine, did they ever really think that they were gonna be hurt by breathing the coal dust or anything?

Segment Synopsis: Morgan discusses signing up for black lung benefits. He talks about local funerals and religious practices.

Keywords: Ailments; Black Lung Benefits Act; Black Lung Disability Trust; Black lung; Breathing tests; Chest pains; Chest trouble; Church; Church organizations; Churches; Coal dust; Coalworker's pneumoconiosis (CWP); Compensation; Danger; Death; Diagnosis; Diseases; Federal Coal Mine Health and Safety Act of 1969; Funerals; Grave digging; Graves; Health; Illnesses; Jobs; L

Subjects: Appalachian Region--Religion; Coal miners--Kentucky--Leslie County; Coal mines and mining--Kentucky--Leslie County; Coal mines and mining--Safety measures; Kentucky--Religion; Lungs--Dust diseases--Kentucky; Medical care--Appalachian Region; Medical care--Kentucky; Mine safety; Religious ethics

01:35:46 - "Mountain people"

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Partial Transcript: How do you feel in general about people from outside the Kentucky mountain area coming in to a place like Leslie County?

Segment Synopsis: Morgan talks about "mountain people" and what others think of them.

Keywords: "Hicks"; Appalachia; Care; Community; Country; Eastern Kentucky; Educated; Families; Help; Helping; Home; Intelligence; Mountains; Opinions; People; Raised; Rural; Stereotypes

Subjects: Education--Appalachian Region; Education--Kentucky.; Kentucky; Leslie County (Ky.); Mountain people--United States--Public opinion

01:40:52 - Government aid programs / newspapers / FNS

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Partial Transcript: Well, the--the federal government, the--the programs that they've had like VISTA and--and those, do you think those--that those programs have helped the mountain people out any?

Segment Synopsis: Morgan discusses government aid programs. He talks about newspapers. He talks a bit more about the Frontier Nursing Service.The interview is concluded.

Keywords: Care; County judges; Federal government; Government aid; Government assistance; Government relief programs; Grading roads; Healthcare; Help; Helping; Home visits; Hospitals; Local newspapers; Money; Roads; Rural health services; St. Louis Globe Democrat newspaper; VISTA (Volunteers In Service To America)

Subjects: Courier-journal (Louisville, Ky.); Frontier Nursing Service, Inc.; Hyden (Ky.); Medical care--Appalachian Region; Medical care--Kentucky; Newspapers--Kentucky.; Nurses; Nursing; Telephone; Television; Thousandsticks (Ky.); Wendover (Ky.)