Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History

Interview with Charles L. Dause, March 30, 1988

Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries
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00:00:02 - Introduction / finding a still during a marijuana raid

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Partial Transcript: Mr. Charlie Dause, US Attorney, on the project "Moonshiners and Revenuers"...

Segment Synopsis: Betty Ellison introduces Charles Dause, the interviewee. Dause gives some background information on a still that was found in 1986, on a property already being investigated for growing marijuana. It was one of the last stills that had been found in Kentucky at that point.

Keywords: Carter Cave State Park; Kentucky State Police; aerial surveillance; buildings; farms; marijuana field sweep; mash; moonshine; prosecutions; raids; searching; stills

Subjects: Carter County (Ky.).; Distilleries--Law and legislation.; Distilleries.; Marijuana--Growth.

00:02:29 - The still and its purpose in curing marijuana

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Partial Transcript: How large was the still, Mr. Dause, in terms of barrel capacity?

Segment Synopsis: Dause describes the still that was found. He discusses how the heat that it produced was used both to make whiskey and to cure marijuana.

Keywords: barrels; capacity; corn; curing processes; heat; mash; moonshine; processing marijuana; sugar; yeast

Subjects: Distilleries.; Kentucky. Dept. of Alcoholic Beverage Control.; Marijuana--Growth.; Marijuana.; Whiskey.

00:05:10 - The value of marijuana and moonshine / moonshiner families

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Partial Transcript: How, how would you, uh, estimate the, uh, the value of, uh, the mash, the moonshine...

Segment Synopsis: Dause estimates the value of processed marijuana and compares it to the value of moonshine whiskey. He talks about how, in this particular case, the father of one of the people prosecuted had also made moonshine at one point.

Keywords: Burt Sloan; Jasper Sloan; Joe Cox; families; farms; growing marijuana; making moonshine; mash; money; moonshine; value

Subjects: Carter County (Ky.).; Distilling, illicit.; Floyd County (Ky.).; Kentucky.; Kentucky. Dept. of Alcoholic Beverage Control.; Marijuana.

00:09:01 - Reasons for fewer cases of moonshine making since 1970

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Partial Transcript: Uh, does that... I know this is a... doesn't relate to this case...

Segment Synopsis: Dause discusses some of the reasons why moonshine has not been made as frequently in the past few years. Ellison also shares an anecdote related to one of the previous interviews in this series.

Keywords: 1970; ATF; Federal courts; agents; bootlegging; cases; competition; corn; moonshine; state courts; stills; sugar; sugar prices

Subjects: Distilling, illicit.; Marijuana--Growth.; Whiskey.

00:12:51 - Details of the 1986 moonshine and marijuana case

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Partial Transcript: Uh, what was the, uh, the disposition of the...

Segment Synopsis: Dause gives more of the details of the case that this interview is about. He talks about some of the complications related to the property that the still and marijuana plants were on.

Keywords: Bert Sloan; Jasper Sloan; Joe Cox; US District Court; guilty pleas; intelligence; juries; lack of education; moonshine; property; sugar; tenants

Subjects: Distilling, illicit.; Law enforcement.; Marijuana--Growth.; Whiskey

00:16:28 - Kentucky's forfeiture laws / finding marijuana through aerial surveillance

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Partial Transcript: When was that law enacted?

Segment Synopsis: Ellison and Dause talk about Kentucky's forfeiture laws related to drug possession. Dause also discusses how aerial surveillance is used to find hidden patches of marijuana.

Keywords: ATF; Captain Pendleton; aerial surveys; confiscation; forfeiture; forfeiture law; helicopters; narcotics officers; rifles; vehicles

Subjects: Kentucky. Dept. of Alcoholic Beverage Control.; Law enforcement.; Marijuana--Growth.; Marijuana.; United States. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives.

00:19:58 - Description of the still / the process of making moonshine / Sloan's prison sentence

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Partial Transcript: Well, getting back to the, the still in this, in this case, uh...

Segment Synopsis: Dause describes the still thoroughly and talks about the process of making moonshine whiskey. He also discusses Sloan's sentence for growing marijuana and making illegal whiskey. The interview is abruptly concluded.

Keywords: Al Capone; Ball cooking jars; Bert Sloan; Henry Rupert Wilhoit, Jr.; bulldozers; catch barrel; cooker; cooking jars; farm ponds; glass jars; gravity flow; making whiskey; mash; milk jugs; mobsters; money; moonshine making; pipelines; plastic containers; prison time; sentences; steam; stills; sugar; tax violations; worm (whiskey making)

Subjects: Distilleries.; Distilling, illicit.; Law enforcement.