Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History

Interview with Gardner L. Turner, Joseph C. Graves, November 3, 1988

Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries
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00:00:00 - Introduction

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Partial Transcript: This is an interview with Joe Graves and Gardner Turner on November 3rd, 1988, at 1:30, in the office of Joe Graves.

Segment Synopsis: The interviewer introduces herself and the topic of the interview. Gardner Turner and Joseph Graves then introduce themselves and give a very brief overview of their educational experience and what schools they each attended.

Keywords: All-girls boarding schools; Background information; Class sizes; Droughts; Great Depression; Model High School of the University of Kentucky; Private education; Public education; Sayre School; University High School; University of Kentucky University Training School

Subjects: Depressions--1929; Education; Lexington (Ky.); Private schools.; Public schools.; University of Kentucky

GPS: Lexington (Ky.)
Map Coordinates: 38.047989, -84.501640
00:02:06 - Turner's experience changing schools

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Partial Transcript: Did both of you go to the University Training School?

Segment Synopsis: Gardner goes more into detail about his transition from Sayre School to the University Training School and the differences and similarities between the two. He also touches on how he feels looking back on the decision to move schools.

Keywords: Class size; Jefferson Davis Elementary School; Model High School of the University of Kentucky; Private education; Progressive; Public education; Reputations; Sayre School; Transitions; University High School; University of Kentucky University Training School

Subjects: Education; Lexington (Ky.); Private schools.; Public schools.; University of Kentucky

GPS: Sayre School, Lexington (Ky.)
Map Coordinates: 38.0472303, -84.4930682
00:04:19 - Reasons for going to the University School and reputation

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Partial Transcript: Why did your parents choose to send you to s--uh, University School?

Segment Synopsis: Gardner tells the interviewer why his family made him change schools and discusses the reputation of the University School. He goes into a little detail about how the school was organized and associated with the University of Kentucky

Keywords: Discipline; Methods; Model High School of the University of Kentucky; Private education; Progressive; Public education; Reputations; Structure; Student teachers; Traditional; Training school for student teachers; Transitions; University High School; University of Kentucky University Training School

Subjects: Education; Lexington (Ky.); Private schools.; Public schools.; Recreation; Student teachers--United States.; Student teachers.; Teaching--Methodology.; University of Kentucky

00:05:57 - Curriculum and teaching methods of private school compared to public schools

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Partial Transcript: In your transition from Sayre to the University School, was the curriculum pretty much the same?

Segment Synopsis: Turner and Graves describe their experiences with the teachers and curriculum of both schools and the differences between their disciplinary styles. Gardner highlights the differences in teacher relations, discipline, and the complexity of the curriculum. Gardner says the Sayre School had a stricter discipline and elderly teachers, while the University School had younger student teachers.

Keywords: Discipline; Inspired; Lectures; Lectures.; Methodology; Methods; Model High School of the University of Kentucky; Private education; Public education; Publication; Recollection; Rote method; Sayre School; Sky writers; Strict; Structured; Student teachers; Training schools; University High School; University of Kentucky University Training School

Subjects: Curriculum and methods in education; Education; Lexington (Ky.); Methodology.; Private schools.; Public schools.; Student teachers--United States.; Teachers--Kentucky; Teaching; University of Kentucky

00:10:38 - Students' engagement within the school

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Partial Transcript: And what grade were you when you switched to the University School?

Segment Synopsis: Gardner and Turner talk about how students could get involved in the University School and the extracurricular activities they had there. Gardner also talks about the recreation at Sayre, and says that two times a day they had to run from the main school building to the gym and back (300 yards each way) which was their “recess."

Keywords: Admissions; Basketball teams; Engagement; Entrance examinations; Extracurricular activities; Extracurriculars; Model High School of the University of Kentucky; Playgrounds; Private education; Public education; Restrictions; Sayre School; Student involvement; University High School; University of Kentucky University Training School

Subjects: Curriculum and methods in education; Education; Lexington (Ky.); Methodology.; Private schools.; Public schools.; Recreation; Sports.; Student teachers--United States.; Teachers--Kentucky; Teaching; University of Kentucky

00:11:54 - Parents and their decision to send their kids to the University High School

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Partial Transcript: Why did people send their children to Sayre?

Segment Synopsis: Turner and Graves say that parents were more inclined to send their children to a private school in hopes of their children receiving the best education possible. Gardner says that his transition to the university school was easier because the university school had organized sports, extracurricular activities and clubs. Sayre School was mainly an all-girls school, limiting the amount of activities available to students.

Keywords: Acceptance restrictions; Admissions; Boarding schools; Budgets; Civic leaders; Model High School of the University of Kentucky; Organized programs; Private education; Public education; Reputations; Sayre School; Scheduling; Teaching methods; University High School; University of Kentucky University Training School

Subjects: Education; Lexington (Ky.); Private schools.; Public schools.; Recreation; Teachers--Kentucky; Teaching; University of Kentucky

00:16:53 - Organization of the schools

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Partial Transcript: If it was--if the University School was not a private school, what was it?

Segment Synopsis: University High School wasn't a private school since it didn't receive private funding. It had much lower tuition than private schools while always including recreation and programs into the students' class schedule. The university school was perceived as a model school for the University of Kentucky. Students at Sayre School started each day in the chapel and then often stayed in one class room for the rest of their school day.

Keywords: All-girls schools; Model High School of the University of Kentucky; Non-profit; Perception.; Private education; Private funding; Programs; Public education; Sayre School; Schedules; Scheduling; Student councils; Tuition; University High School; University of Kentucky University Training School

Subjects: Curriculum and methods in education; Education; Lexington (Ky.); Methodology.; Private schools.; Public schools.; Sports.; Student teachers--United States.; Teachers--Kentucky; Teaching; University of Kentucky

00:20:40 - Projects and sports at University High School

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Partial Transcript: What were some of the projects that you remember at the University School that you did?

Segment Synopsis: Turner and Graves say that the schools had many different types of programs and extracurricular activities for the students. They had many different clubs, plays, and publications for people to be part of. The school took athletics very seriously and it was a big part of the school and its traditions.

Keywords: Athletics; Extracurricular activities; Extracurriculars; Model High School of the University of Kentucky; Private education; Projects; Public education; Publications; Sayre School; School buses; Small schools; Student councils; University High School; University of Kentucky University Training School; World War II; World War Two

Subjects: Curriculum and methods in education; Education; Lexington (Ky.); Methodology.; Private schools.; Public schools.; Recreation; Sports.; Student teachers--United States.; Teachers--Kentucky; Teaching; University of Kentucky; World War, 1939-1945

00:23:47 - Student transportation

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Partial Transcript: And we had the school bo--the school boy patrol.

Segment Synopsis: Turner and Graves talk about how, during World War II, private school students began riding school buses with kids from public schools as the outcome of a deal that was made due to the rationing of gasoline.

Keywords: Gas rationing; Gasoline; Model High School of the University of Kentucky; Private education; Public education; Sayre School; School boy patrol; School buses; University High School; University of Kentucky University Training School; War effort; World War II; World War Two

Subjects: Education; Lexington (Ky.); Private schools.; Public schools.; Transportation; University of Kentucky; World War, 1939-1945

00:25:49 - Attitudes and perceptions of students

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Partial Transcript: How was the University School different than other private schools?

Segment Synopsis: Turner and Graves say that the students at the university school were perceived as rich children and believed they had special treatment. Outsiders thought that the students were better than they were because they went to the university school. The students had more freedoms and flexibility within the school because of the lack of structure.

Keywords: Freedom; Model High School of the University of Kentucky; Opportunities; Perceptions; Private education; Public education; Reputations; Sayre School; Structure; Treatment; University High School; University of Kentucky University Training School; Wealthy people

Subjects: Curriculum and methods in education; Education; Lexington (Ky.); Methodology.; Private schools.; Public schools.; Student teachers--United States.; Teachers--Kentucky; Teaching; University of Kentucky

00:35:20 - Close-knit relationships with other students

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Partial Transcript: What kinds of relationships did you all have with each other?

Segment Synopsis: By having a smaller graduating class, a group of 25 individuals are able to stay in contact and meet monthly to keep in touch. Coming from a small school, Turner and Graves say that they had a close-knit student body which was very well-rounded. The school was close to the University of Kentucky and had modern buildings for the time period, making it an ideal location for professors' kids.

Keywords: Atmosphere; Class sizes; Close to campus; Friendships; Initiative; Model High School of the University of Kentucky; Modern buildings; Private education; Public education; Relationships; Sayre School; Teachers' children; University High School; University of Kentucky University Training School; Well-rounded

Subjects: Curriculum and methods in education; Education; Lexington (Ky.); Methodology.; Private schools.; Public schools.; Student teachers--United States.; Teachers--Kentucky; Teaching; University of Kentucky

00:38:35 - Overall emphasis and impact of University High School

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Partial Transcript: What was the overall emphasis in the school?

Segment Synopsis: Turner and Graves reflect on the quality of the education they received and compare it to the education other people had received. They say that the overall experience was successful because the school was well-rounded. They feel as if they are better able to know a little about a lot of things, making them better able to converse with people. Gardner believes he received a better education at the university school because he knows a lot more of the "small things."

Keywords: Benefits; Classes; Comparisons; Experience; Involvement; Model High School of the University of Kentucky; Modern materials; Preparation; Private education; Public education; Sayre School; University High School; University of Kentucky University Training School; Well-rounded

Subjects: Curriculum and methods in education; Education; Education.; Lexington (Ky.); Methodology.; Private schools.; Public schools.; Student teachers--United States.; Teachers--Kentucky; Teaching; University of Kentucky

00:47:25 - The failures of University High School

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Partial Transcript: --would be few.

Segment Synopsis: The interviewees stated that spelling and writing was the only thing their education lacked. They had wished to practice these crucial essentials in their education more at the university school to better prepare them for their lives.

Keywords: Arithmetic; Essential; Grammar; Knowledge; Lexington schools; Model High School of the University of Kentucky; Private education; Public education; Ridiculous; Sayre School; School closings; Social; Spelling; University High School; University of Kentucky University Training School; Writing

Subjects: Curriculum and methods in education; Education; Education.; Lexington (Ky.); Methodology.; Private schools.; Public schools.; Student teachers--United States.; Teachers--Kentucky; Teaching; University of Kentucky