Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History

Interview with A. D. Albright, March 21, 1989

Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries
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00:00:03 - University of Kentucky president John Oswald's resignation

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Partial Transcript: That will give us plenty of time.

Segment Synopsis: Picking up from their previous interview, Albright continues discussing the resignation of Oswald. He discusses rumors of a scandal and the two agents who came to investigate.

Keywords: Administrators; Agents; Dr. John Oswald; Institutional care; Institutions; Investigations; Resignations; Rumors; Scandals; University

Subjects: College administrators; College presidents; College teachers--Social conditions; College teachers.; Education, Higher--Kentucky; Educators; Oswald, John W. (John Wieland), 1917-1995; Universities and colleges--Administration.; Universities and colleges--Faculty.; Universities and colleges.; University of Kentucky

00:04:06 - Questioning the university

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Partial Transcript: And these places are so complicated, that you could put a different spin on different types of findings.

Segment Synopsis: Albright says that different stories and rumors were being told about what was happening on campus. People were questioning if the University of Kentucky was under pressure regarding higher education, and wondering about the involvement of regional colleges and universities.

Keywords: Campuses; Education; Education aims and objectives; Higher education; Institutes; Institutional; Institutional care; Pursued with vigilance; Regional universities; Regionals; Rumors; Scandals; Speculation; Spin; Stories; University

Subjects: College administrators; College presidents; College teachers--Social conditions; College teachers.; College teaching.; Education, Higher--Kentucky; Educators; Universities and colleges--Administration.; Universities and colleges--Faculty.; Universities and colleges.; University of Kentucky

00:09:08 - Sports at UK

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Partial Transcript: I, I think there's a combination of three or four factors.

Segment Synopsis: Albright discusses the University of Kentucky athletic program, mentioning the money spent during playoffs and noting that patterns are changing. He compares the amount of money the University of Kentucky spends to other universities' spending.

Keywords: Athletic programs; Basketball; Funds; Higher education; NCAA Basketball Tournament; NCAA Tournament; Playoffs; Regionals; Sports administration; UK Basketball

Subjects: College administrators; College presidents; College sports--Economic aspects--United States.; College sports.; College teachers--Social conditions; College teachers.; College teaching.; Education, Higher--Kentucky; Educators; Universities and colleges--Administration.; Universities and colleges--Faculty.; Universities and colleges.; University of Kentucky; University of Kentucky--Basketball

00:12:42 - The chancellor search

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Partial Transcript: We're, uh, we're digressing a little bit, but--

Segment Synopsis: Albright talks about the mission of the university as a statewide institution serving a statewide constituency, and whether this was ever a reality.

Keywords: Administration; Chancellors; Education aims and objectives; Education, Higher; Higher education; Land grant institutions; Research; Resignation; Search; State university; University of Louisville

Subjects: College administrators; College administrators--Selection and appointment.; College presidents; College teachers--Social conditions; College teachers.; College teaching.; Education, Higher--Kentucky; Educators; Universities and colleges--Administration.; Universities and colleges--Faculty.; Universities and colleges.; University of Kentucky

00:17:33 - History and legacy of UK

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Partial Transcript: Isn't, isn't it part of the UK’s history, its legacy that just when we get ready to make a move...

Segment Synopsis: Albright talks about the need to find the purpose of the university the impact it will have on the entire state.

Keywords: Basketball; Dr. Albert D. Kirwan; Dr. Albert Kirwan; Education aims and objectives; President of a college; Statewide mission; Statewide university; University; University of the Bluegrass; University presidents

Subjects: College administrators; College presidents; College teachers--Social conditions; College teachers.; College teaching.; Education, Higher--Kentucky; Educators; Kirwan, Albert Dennis; Universities and colleges--Administration.; Universities and colleges--Faculty.; Universities and colleges.; University of Kentucky

00:19:42 - Basketball scandal investigation

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Partial Transcript: Well, you know, it’s interesting about, uh, the story about Nunn sending over investigators.

Segment Synopsis: Albright tells the story of a UK basketball scandal, and gives his opinions of what happened and how to act upon it.

Keywords: Basketball; Basketball scandals; College students; Dr. John Oswald; Environment; Expanding; Funding; Future; Higher education; Institutional care; Institutions; Investigations; Investigators; Kentucky State University; Political; Private investigators; Regionals; Student uprising; Undercover

Subjects: College administrators; College presidents; College sports--Economic aspects--United States.; College sports.; Education, Higher--Kentucky; Oswald, John W. (John Wieland), 1917-1995; Universities and colleges--Administration.; Universities and colleges.; University of Kentucky; University of Kentucky--Basketball

00:25:13 - Resignation of college presidents

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Partial Transcript: In this age, nobody is going to last indefinitely anyway.

Segment Synopsis: Albright discusses how no one will last forever and people will have to resign eventually. He talks about a conversation he had with a senior citizen group, discussing the need for every college president to have a resignation letter with them. He compares John Oswald to other UK presidents.

Keywords: Basketball; Communities; Dr. John Oswald; Employee resignation; Kentucky; Letter of resignation; Letters; Moving; National university; Older people; President of a college; Senior citizens; State; University; University presidents

Subjects: College administrators; College presidents; Education, Higher--Kentucky; Oswald, John W. (John Wieland), 1917-1995; Universities and colleges--Administration.; Universities and colleges.; University of Kentucky

00:31:17 - How the University of Kentucky can improve

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Partial Transcript: But when, uh, I went to Northern, there was one thing that I knew had to be done.

Segment Synopsis: Albright compares the University of Kentucky to other universities and discusses how it can improve.

Keywords: Administration; Board meetings; Cincinnati (Ohio); Community; Crisis Period; Critical periods of history; David P. Roselle; Departure; Education; Elementary; Envision; Foundations; Higher; Higher Education; Institutional care; Institutions; KSU; Kentucky; Kentucky State University; Loaning; Long-term; Money; Neglect; Northern Kentucky University; President of a college; Stabilize; State; Uncertainty; Unhappiness; University; University presidents; Unrest; Unstable

Subjects: College administrators; College presidents; College teachers--Social conditions; College teachers.; College teaching.; Education, Higher--Kentucky; Educators; Universities and colleges--Administration.; Universities and colleges--Faculty.; Universities and colleges.; University of Kentucky

00:37:32 - The announcement of Oswald's resignation

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Partial Transcript: When Jack Oswald announced his resignation, the, uh, the board turned to Ab Kirwan as interim president.

Segment Synopsis: Albright talks about the need for someone to step in after John Oswald resigned from the presidency of the University of Kentucky.

Keywords: Board of Trustees; Board of directors; Careers; Chapels; College students; Decision-making process; Dr. Albert D. Kirwan; Dr. Albert Kirwan; Dr. John Oswald; Graduate students; Influence; Interim presidents; President of a college; Presidential appointments; Professors; Proposals; Rambunctious; Resignations; Resolute; Settling period; Stability; Student groups; Students; UK; University presidents

Subjects: College administrators; College administrators--Selection and appointment.; College presidents; College teachers--Social conditions; College teachers.; College teaching.; Education, Higher--Kentucky; Educators; Kirwan, Albert Dennis; Oswald, John W. (John Wieland), 1917-1995; Universities and colleges--Administration.; Universities and colleges--Faculty.; Universities and colleges.; University of Kentucky

00:44:02 - Acting president Albert D. Kirwan

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Partial Transcript: You get an image of Ab Kirwan as a younger man, football coach, then when he was Dean of Men...

Segment Synopsis: Albright tells a story about Ab Kirwan's reaction to a group of rowdy students and how he handled it. He discusses whether the news of Kirwan being named the new acting president was a surprise to anyone and if Kirwan was a good choice.

Keywords: Acting presidents; Administration; Administration Building; Appointments; Authority; Cabinets; Cases; College students; Confrontation; Contradictory; Dr. Albert D. Kirwan; Dr. Albert Kirwan; Dr. John Oswald; Football coaches; Institutional care; Institutions; Interim presidents; July; Medical students; President of a college; Routines; Student groups; Teaching

Subjects: College administrators; College administrators--Selection and appointment.; College presidents; College teachers--Social conditions; College teachers.; College teaching.; Education, Higher--Kentucky; Educators; Kirwan, Albert Dennis; Oswald, John W. (John Wieland), 1917-1995; Universities and colleges--Administration.; Universities and colleges--Faculty.; Universities and colleges.; University of Kentucky

00:48:30 - Kirwan's letter to Oswald

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Partial Transcript: I wanted to, uh, read a, a portion of a letter that, uh, Kirwan sent to Oswald.

Segment Synopsis: Albright discusses a letter Kirwan sent to Oswald discussing his resignation.

Keywords: Acting presidents; Contradicting; Contradictory; Dr. Albert D. Kirwan; Dr. Albert Kirwan; Dr. John Oswald; Empathy; Fair; Human beings; Inclusive; Institutional care; Institutions; Integrity; Interim presidents; Letters; Opposition; Paradox; Questions; Sincere; Sympathizers; University

Subjects: College administrators; College administrators--Selection and appointment.; College presidents; College teachers--Social conditions; College teachers.; College teaching.; Education, Higher--Kentucky; Educators; Kirwan, Albert Dennis; Oswald, John W. (John Wieland), 1917-1995; Universities and colleges--Administration.; Universities and colleges--Faculty.; Universities and colleges.; University of Kentucky

00:54:20 - Kirwan's political skill

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Partial Transcript: You know, you get the impression that Kirwan was perhaps a very skilled politician in a sense.

Segment Synopsis: Albright discusses Kirwan's political abilities. He reviews the time that Kirwan was president and talks about the difficulty Kirwan had with the students on campus.

Keywords: Acting presidents; Advocates; Ambitious; Apostles; Belgium; Classes; College students; Criticism; Dean of Students; Dr. Albert D. Kirwan; Dr. Albert Kirwan; Education; Faculty; Football; Football coaches; Happiness; Institutions; Interim presidents; Kentucky; Leadership roles; Legacy; Legislation; Politicians; Politics; Polls; President of a college; Respected; Rivalry; Scars; Settling down; Students; Teaching; Tensions; Underestimate; University Senate; University presidents

Subjects: College administrators; College administrators--Selection and appointment.; College presidents; College teachers--Social conditions; College teachers.; College teaching.; Education, Higher--Kentucky; Educators; Kirwan, Albert Dennis; Universities and colleges--Administration.; Universities and colleges--Faculty.; Universities and colleges.; University of Kentucky

01:06:13 - Presidential search committee

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Partial Transcript: The search com--the presidential search committee was named April 18, 1968.

Segment Synopsis: Albright discusses who was involved in the UK presidential search committee. Albright is asked if he had any ties to the search committee and if they would have voted for him to be interim president.

Keywords: Acting presidents; Administration; Anxiety; Chemistry Department; Committees; Company; Councils; Dr. Albert D. Kirwan; Dr. Albert Kirwan; Football; Institutions; Interim presidents; Internal feelings; Kentucky; On-campus; President of UK; President of a college; Presidential search committees; Pursue; Rewards; Suspense accounts; University; University budgets; University presidents; University vice presidents; Widespread

Subjects: College administrators; College administrators--Selection and appointment.; College presidents; College teachers--Social conditions; College teachers.; College teaching.; Education, Higher--Kentucky; Educators; Universities and colleges--Administration.; Universities and colleges--Departments; Universities and colleges--Faculty.; Universities and colleges.; University of Kentucky

01:17:34 - Conclusion

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Partial Transcript: It's a--it was a kind of a fascinating period for me.

Segment Synopsis: Albright concludes this interview by discussing how this period of UK history shaped him and other people.

Keywords: Academic; Attempting; Candidates; Chancellor; Opportunities; Opportunity; Period; President; President of a college; Presidential Candidates; University

Subjects: College administrators; College administrators--Selection and appointment.; College presidents; College teachers--Social conditions; College teachers.; College teaching.; Education, Higher--Kentucky; Educators; Universities and colleges--Administration.; Universities and colleges--Faculty.; Universities and colleges.; University of Kentucky