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00:01:10 - Frances Jewell McVey

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Partial Transcript: --interview with Ms. Chloe Gifford, Wednesday November fifteenth, nineteen sixt--nineteen seventy-two.

Segment Synopsis: Chloe Gifford is introduced. She talks about coming to the University of Kentucky, skipping freshman English, and being introduced to Frances Jewell McVey. She talks about her devotion to Frances Jewell, and talks about her encouraging both Gifford and Sarah Blanding in their careers.

Keywords: Acting deans; Cornell University; Dean Sarah Blanding; Dean Thomas Cooper; Dean of Women; Devotion; Dr. Lehre Dantzler; English; Mary Frances Jewell McVey; Relationship; Skipping grades; Vassar College

Subjects: College administrators; College freshmen; College students--Conduct of life.; College students--Social conditions; College teachers--Social conditions; College teaching.; Educators; McVey, Frances Jewell, 1889-1945; Universities and colleges--Administration.; Universities and colleges--Faculty.

00:05:03 - Frank McVey

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Partial Transcript: And when Frances moved across the campus, as I would say, from her--relinquished her office as Dean of Women and became First Lady of Maxwell Place, and the greatest...

Segment Synopsis: Gifford talks about Frank McVey's personality prior to marrying Frances Jewell, and says that she and other students feared him. She talks about attending teas at Maxwell Place, where Frances Jewell encouraged Gifford to speak with Frank McVey. She talks about discovering Frank McVey's sense of humor and his intelligence. She talks about his difficulty securing funding from the state legislature, unlike Herman Donovan.

Keywords: Adlai Stevenson; Arts; Avoidance; Dean Thomas Cooper; Dr. Frank McVey; Dr. Herman Donovan; Fears; Guignol Theater; Intellectual; Intelligence; Legislators; Legislature; Mabel McVey; Married; Negotiations; Personality; Politicians; Scholarly; Teas

Subjects: College administrators--Rating of; College presidents; College presidents' spouses; College presidents--Dwellings; College students--Attitudes.; College students--Conduct of life.; College students--Social conditions; Donovan, Herman Lee, 1887-1964; McVey, Frances Jewell, 1889-1945; McVey, Frank LeRond, 1869-1953; Universities and colleges--Administration.

00:16:27 - Frank McVey's retirement as president

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Partial Transcript: Alright now, after--or when they retired--the McVeys lived in Maxwell Place for seventeen years together.

Segment Synopsis: Gifford talks about giving Dr. McVey her opinion on Maxwell Place. She talks about the negative opinions of McVey during his last years as president of UK. She talks about the lack of money to pay professors' salaries.

Keywords: Attitudes; Criticism; Dr. Frank McVey; Funding; Mary Frances Jewell McVey; Maxwell Place; Money; Opinions; Retirement; Salaries

Subjects: College administrators--Rating of; College presidents; College presidents' spouses; College presidents--Dwellings; College teachers--Salaries, etc.; College teachers--Social conditions; Educators; McVey, Frances Jewell, 1889-1945; McVey, Frank LeRond, 1869-1953; Universities and colleges--Administration.; Universities and colleges--Faculty.; Universities and colleges--Finance

00:19:42 - Parties and guests at Maxwell Place

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Partial Transcript: But you know I can remember so va--vividly those parties.

Segment Synopsis: Gifford talks more about the parties held by the McVeys at Maxwell Place, and talks about how Frank and Frances each acted while entertaining. She talks about Eleanor Roosevelt and Carl Sandburg as guests at Maxwell Place. She talks about Frances Jewell not wanting her African American workers to be present when entertaining a guest from Africa.

Keywords: Carl Sandburg; Dr. Frank McVey; Eleanor Roosevelt; Entertaining; Guests; Lunches; Mary Frances Jewell McVey; Maxwell Place; Orders; Parties; Personality; Relationships; Visitors

Subjects: Campus visits; College administrators; College presidents; College presidents' spouses; College presidents--Dwellings; McVey, Frances Jewell, 1889-1945; McVey, Frank LeRond, 1869-1953; Race relations--Kentucky--Lexington; Roosevelt, Eleanor, 1884-1962; Sandburg, Carl, 1878-1967.; Universities and colleges--Administration.

00:28:49 - Death of Frances Jewell McVey

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Partial Transcript: Now, um--so I would say very definite--

Segment Synopsis: Gifford talks about Frances Jewell's battle with lung cancer, Frank McVey's reactions and how his personality changed. She talks about promising Frances that she would take care of Frank after her death. She talks about Frank McVey's reactions to Frances Jewell's burial arrangements.

Keywords: Attitudes; Burial; Death; Dr. Frank McVey; Lung cancer; Mary Frances Jewell McVey; Personality; Portraits; Relationships; Visiting

Subjects: Cancer.; College administrators; College presidents; College presidents' spouses; McVey, Frances Jewell, 1889-1945; McVey, Frank LeRond, 1869-1953; Universities and colleges--Administration.

00:36:27 - The McVeys' influence on her life

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Partial Transcript: But in my--again in my feeble estimation and as I've lived publicly for so many years, to my mind they, as a couple, had more influence on my life than oth--any other-------??

Segment Synopsis: Gifford talks about her relationship with Frank and Frances Jewell McVey and how they influenced her life. She talks briefly about the relationship between Frank McVey and his successor Herman Donovan, and talks more about McVey's sense of humor.

Keywords: Credit; Dr. Herman Donovan; Friendships; Influence; Invitations; Jokes; Kidding; Leo Chamberlain; Lonely; Manners; Public reactions; Relationships

Subjects: College administrators--Rating of; College presidents; College presidents' spouses; Donovan, Herman Lee, 1887-1964; McVey, Frances Jewell, 1889-1945; McVey, Frank LeRond, 1869-1953; Universities and colleges--Administration.

00:44:06 - Donations to the university

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Partial Transcript: And I'm sorry--you see when I tried to raise money, Leo and I tried to raise money for a big scholarship for Frances we fe--fell flat on our faces.

Segment Synopsis: Gifford talks about her attempt to create a scholarship in honor of Frances Jewell McVey, and the lack of support she received from Frank McVey. She talks about promising one of the presidents that she would have his boardroom portrait changed, and talks about the lack of care and respect she sees from the university towards archival donations to the university.

[An interruption in taping occurs during this segment.]

Keywords: Alben Barkley Collection; Donations; Dr. Bennett Wall; Dr. Herman Donovan; Dr. Thomas D. Clark; Leo Chamberlain; Nell Donovan; Portraits; Preservation; Promises; Scholarships

Subjects: College administrators; College benefactors; College histories; College presidents; College presidents' spouses; College publicity; Donovan, Herman Lee, 1887-1964; McVey, Frank LeRond, 1869-1953; Universities and colleges--Administration.; Universities and colleges--Public relations; University of Kentucky. Libraries; University of Kentucky. Libraries. Division of Special Collections and Archives

00:52:07 - President Singletary and university public relations

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Partial Transcript: Now we've grown--and this isn't a criticism, please don't believe, of Otis Singletary.

Segment Synopsis: Gifford talks about not wanting to criticize the university, and gives her opinion of those university employees that publicly speak negatively about the university. She talks about the public relations and financial issues the university was having during the tenure of President Singletary. She compares Singletary with John Oswald, and discusses the issues she saw with Oswald's attitude as president.

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Keywords: Abilities; Advice; Attitudes; Board of trustees; Destruction; Donations; Dr. John Oswald; Dr. Otis A. Singletary; Funding; Governor Happy Chandler; Loyalty; Money; Newspapers; Pennsylvania State University; Reactions; Size; Spending; University of Kentucky Medical Center

Subjects: College administrators--Rating of; College benefactors; College buildings.; College facilities.; College presidents; College publicity; Oswald, John W. (John Wieland), 1917-1995; Singletary, Otis A.; Universities and colleges--Administration.; Universities and colleges--Alumni and alumnae.; Universities and colleges--Finance; Universities and colleges--Public relations

01:03:10 - Personalities of presidents McVey and Donovan

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Partial Transcript: Don't you think that Dr. McVey might have tried to move too fast, uh, if he hadn't married Frances and, uh, become more acceptable to Kentucky?

Segment Synopsis: Gifford talks more about McVey's personality and how it changed after his marriage to Frances Jewell. She talks about the initial reluctance to accept Donovan as McVey's successor, and why those opinions changed. She compares McVey and Donovan's personalities. She talks about gathering opinions about Donovan from around the state.

[An interruption in taping occurs during this segment.]

Keywords: Attitudes; Dean James Graham; Dr. Frank McVey; Dr. Herman Donovan; Governor Earle C. Clements; Legislature; Mary Frances Jewell McVey; Mistakes; Money; Opinions; Opposition; Politicians; Relationships; Respect; Western Kentucky

Subjects: College administrators--Rating of; College administrators--Selection and appointment.; College presidents; College presidents' spouses; Donovan, Herman Lee, 1887-1964; McVey, Frank LeRond, 1869-1953; Universities and colleges--Administration.; Universities and colleges--Finance

01:12:52 - Caring for university property

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Partial Transcript: --the, uh, portrait, uh, that you mentioned. Now--

Segment Synopsis: Gifford talks more about the lack of care and respect she sees from the university towards archival donations to the university, including an incident of a presidential portrait being found in the snow. She talks about learning about John Oswald taking dishes and other items from Maxwell Place when he resigned as president.

Keywords: Attitudes; Betty Kirwan; Committee; Dishes; Dr. Albert Kirwan; Dr. Herman Donovan; Dr. John Oswald; Fired; Lawrence Thompson; Library; Maxwell Place; Mr. Pratt; Nell Donovan; Place settings; Portraits; Robert Kerley

Subjects: College administrators--Rating of; College presidents; College presidents' spouses; College presidents--Dwellings; Donovan, Herman Lee, 1887-1964; Oswald, John W. (John Wieland), 1917-1995; Universities and colleges--Administration.

01:18:28 - Frank Rose

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Partial Transcript: So there's just so much out in the state against the university which I think is the saddest thing in the world.

Segment Synopsis: Gifford talks more about negative publicity and opinions of the University of Kentucky. She talks about former president of Transylvania University and the University of Alabama, Frank Rose. She talks more about Frank McVey's attitude and the difficulties he faced as president.

Keywords: Attitudes; Committee; Dr. Frank McVey; Frank Rose; Medical school; Money; Personality; Raymond McLain; Reputations

Subjects: College administrators--Rating of; College presidents; College publicity; McVey, Frank LeRond, 1869-1953; Universities and colleges--Administration.; Universities and colleges--Public relations

01:23:56 - University administration

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Partial Transcript: I gained some much more respect for Donovan after reading his, uh, his correspondence.

Segment Synopsis: Gifford talks about Donovan's abilities as university president, and discusses the lack of strong board of trustee members. She talks about Thomas Clark's opinions of various presidents, including McVey and Oswald. She discusses Oswald's selection as president.

[An interruption in taping occurs during this segment.]
[Interview ends abruptly at 1:30:03]

Keywords: Attitudes; Board of trustees; Dr. Frank McVey; Dr. Herman Donovan; Dr. John Oswald; Dr. Thomas D. Clark; Faculty Senate; Governor Bert T. Combs; Hobson; Investigation; Paul Clyde; Personality; Rasty Wright

Subjects: College administrators--Rating of; College administrators--Selection and appointment.; College presidents; College teachers--Social conditions; Donovan, Herman Lee, 1887-1964; McVey, Frank LeRond, 1869-1953; Oswald, John W. (John Wieland), 1917-1995; Universities and colleges--Admission; Universities and colleges--Faculty.