Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History

Interview with J. Peter Cassidy, January 11, 1991

Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries
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00:00:02 - Introduction / Cassidy's parents and siblings

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Partial Transcript: This is an interview with J. Peter Cassidy, Jr., and for the CAP Oral History Project for the UK Oral History Program conducted by Gil Rosenberg on--at 3:30 on January 11th, 1991 at the law offices of Stoll, Keenon, and Park, 1000 First Security Plaza of Lexington, Kentucky.

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy talks about his parents and siblings. His father attended law school at Albany State University in New York and was hired by a company in Richmond, Virginia that purchased Kentucky Utilities, which led to him relocating to Lexington, Kentucky. His older sister runs a store called Flapper Alley where they sell antique clothes that sometimes get sold to Hollywood productions. Cassidy's brother is a hospital administrator at Stringfellow Memorial Hospital.

Keywords: Alabama; Albany State University; Christian Appalachian Project (CAP); Family; New York (State); Richmond (Va.); University of Alabama - Birmingham; Wisconsin

Subjects: Brothers and sisters.; Careers.; Children.; Families.; Lexington (Ky.); Occupations.; Professions.; Sons.; Vocation.; Work.

GPS: Lexington (Ky.)
Map Coordinates: 38.029722, -84.494722
GPS: Albany State University
Map Coordinates: 31.569, -84.142
GPS: New York (State)
Map Coordinates: 42.9538, -75.5268
GPS: Richmond (Va.)
Map Coordinates: 37.533333, -77.466667
GPS: Wisconsin.
Map Coordinates: 44.6243, -89.9941
GPS: Alabama.
Map Coordinates: 32.7794, -86.8287
GPS: University of Alabama.
Map Coordinates: 33.5, -86.8075
00:03:25 - Education in Kentucky and Georgia

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Partial Transcript: And what was the Georgia connection in your family?

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy discusses his father's work as a general claim agent for Southern Greyhound, whose offices moved to Georgia, which led to their family moving to Atlanta. Cassidy graduated from high school in Georgia and then went to college at the University of Kentucky. He earned a bachelor's degree in history with a minor in political science. He attended law school after that and graduated in the Spring of 1967. Cassidy also discusses the transition from Catholic school to public school.

Keywords: Catholic schools; Chamblee (Ga.); Greyhound buses; History; Kentucky; Law; Law schools; Political science; Public schools

Subjects: Atlanta (Ga.); Catholic schools.; Education, Higher; Lexington (Ky.); University of Kentucky

GPS: Atlanta (Ga.)
Map Coordinates: 33.748889, -84.39
GPS: Chamblee (Ga.)
Map Coordinates: 33.8875, -84.305278
GPS: University of Kentucky
Map Coordinates: 38.033333, -84.5
GPS: Kentucky.
Map Coordinates: 37.5347, -85.3021
GPS: Lexington (Ky.)
Map Coordinates: 38.029722, -84.494722
00:06:13 - Cassidy's path to law school

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Partial Transcript: When you were in history at UK, had you already decided that you were pre-law, or when did that sort of--how did that evolve, that decision, or?

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy discusses what led him to attend law school and why he chose to attend the University of Kentucky. He talks about the other colleges he applied to for his undergraduate degree, Emory University and Mercer University, and what led him to choose the University of Kentucky over them.

Keywords: Attorneys; Emory University; Law schools; Mercer University

Subjects: Education, Higher; Kentucky.; Lawyers--Kentucky; Lawyers.; Lexington (Ky.); University of Kentucky; University of Kentucky. College of Law

GPS: University of Kentucky
Map Coordinates: 38.033333, -84.5
GPS: Kentucky.
Map Coordinates: 37.5347, -85.3021
GPS: Lexington (Ky.)
Map Coordinates: 38.029722, -84.494722
GPS: Emory University
Map Coordinates: 33.791111, -84.323333
GPS: Mercer University
Map Coordinates: 32.829167, -83.648611
00:09:29 - Career beginnings

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Partial Transcript: Uh, okay so, uh, coming out of college--uh, law school here, uh, had you already made connections in Lexington that you knew you would be in Lexington or, uh--

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy talks about how the attorneys in his family helped him begin his law career. Cassidy did a clerkship during law school with Donald Moloney, his mother's brother, and took a position at the Moloney and Moloney law firm afterward. Cassidy talks about Richard P. Moloney and Donald P. Moloney's connections to Kentucky's government. Cassidy also lists other members of the Moloney and Moloney firm. He talks about his graduating class from the University of Kentucky law school and how many of them have stayed in Lexington.

Keywords: Attorneys; Clerkships; Donald Moloney; Families.; Family; Fayette County (Ky.); Law schools; Oscar Gerald Jr.; Richard P. Moloney III; Rodney Keenon

Subjects: Careers.; Education, Higher; Kentucky.; Law firms.; Lawyers--Kentucky; Lawyers.; Lexington (Ky.); Occupations.; Professions.; University of Kentucky; University of Kentucky. College of Law; Vocation.; Work.

GPS: Lexington (Ky.)
Map Coordinates: 38.029722, -84.494722
GPS: Fayette County (Ky.)
Map Coordinates: 38.04, -84.46
00:13:40 - Catholic heritage, wife, and children

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Partial Transcript: Now Moloneys and such, were they all Catholics?

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy talks about his family's Irish Catholic heritage. He also talks about his marriage to his wife, Martha Greenwood, and their children, Katie, Maggie, Peter, and Anne.

Keywords: Catholicism; Children; Family; Ireland; Oliver Cromwell; Oncologists; Wives

Subjects: Catholics.; Cromwell, Oliver; Families.; Genealogy

GPS: Ireland.
Map Coordinates: 53.416667, -8
00:15:48 - Cassidy's daughter, Katie

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Partial Transcript: Okay, so, uh, Katie's--

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy talks about his eldest daughter, Katie, and her college and career aspirations. She attends Barnard College of Columbia University and is thinking of majoring in architecture. Cassidy mentions her school experiences prior to college and his children's disinterest in attending the University of Kentucky.

Keywords: Architecture; Children; Columbia University; Daughters; Family; Lexington (Ky.); Miss Porter's School (Farmington, Conn.); New England; New York (N. Y.); Private schools; University of Kentucky

Subjects: Barnard College.; Daughters.; Education, Higher; Families.; Postsecondary education.; Universities and colleges.

GPS: Columbia University.
Map Coordinates: 40.8075, -73.961944
GPS: Barnard College.
Map Coordinates: 40.8096, -73.9635
GPS: New York (N. Y.)
Map Coordinates: 40.712778, -74.006111
GPS: Lexington (Ky.)
Map Coordinates: 38.029722, -84.494722
GPS: Miss Porter's School (Farmington, Conn.)
Map Coordinates: 41.7225, -72.829444
GPS: University of Kentucky
Map Coordinates: 38.033333, -84.5
GPS: New England.
Map Coordinates: 44, -71
00:18:22 - Cassidy's daughter, Maggie

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Partial Transcript: Now Maggie--

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy discusses his daughter, Maggie, who is a freshman at the University of California at Berkeley. She is thinking about going into pre-med. He talks about her school experiences prior to college.

Keywords: Children; Elementary schools; Higher education; Medical sciences; New Hampshire; Pre-medical education; Private schools; St. Paul's School (Concord, N.H.)

Subjects: Daughters.; Education, Higher; Families.; Postsecondary education.; Private schools.; Universities and colleges.; University of California, Berkeley.

00:19:46 - Cassidy's son, Peter

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Partial Transcript: Okay, so Peter--

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy talks about his son, Peter, who is a junior at the Groton School in Groton, Massachusetts. He talks about Peter's school experiences prior to that and his current plans for his postsecondary future.

Keywords: Children; Education, Higher; Elementary schools; Groton School; Postsecondary education; Universities and colleges.

Subjects: Education; Families.; Groton (Mass.); Private schools.; Sons.

00:21:11 - Cassidy's decision to send his children to private schools

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Partial Transcript: In terms of them going to private schools like that, uh, how did that decision come about?

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy talks about his experiences with Catholic schools and why he had to attend public school in Georgia. He discusses his children's experiences in public schools in Lexington and the factors that led them to consider sending their children to boarding schools in New England. He talks about the schools his children ended up choosing to attend in New England.

Keywords: Christian County (Ky.); Georgia; Lexington (Ky.); Miss Porter's School (Farmington, Conn.); St. Paul's School (Concord, N.H.); The Lexington School

Subjects: Boarding schools; Catholic schools.; Education; High schools.; Private schools.; Single-sex schools

GPS: Georgia.
Map Coordinates: 32.6415, -83.4426
GPS: Christian County (Ky.)
Map Coordinates: 36.9, -87.49
GPS: Lexington (Ky.)
Map Coordinates: 38.029722, -84.494722
GPS: St. Paul's School (Concord, N.H.)
Map Coordinates: 43.194722, -71.576389
GPS: Miss Porter's School (Farmington, Conn.)
Map Coordinates: 41.7225, -72.829444
00:29:10 - History with Moloney and Moloney law firm

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Partial Transcript: Okay, now Moloney and Moloney, you're with them for how many years?

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy talks about his time working for Moloney and Moloney, which began in 1967. He mentions that Donald Moloney, Oscar Geralds, and Dick Moloney also worked there at the time. He also discusses the background of Michael Moloney as well as Donald and Dick Moloney's passing, which led to Oscar Geralds, Cassidy, and Mike Moloney becoming the senior partners. The name of the firm changed to Geralds, Cassidy, and Moloney. In 1982, Cassidy decided to work for Stoll, Keenon, and Park.

Keywords: Attorneys; Death; Democratic National Committee; Dick Moloney; Donald Moloney; Michael Moloney; Mike Moloney; Moloney and Moloney; Oscar Geralds; Stoll, Keenon, and Park; United States Army

Subjects: Careers.; Law firms.; Law.; Lawyers--Kentucky; Lawyers.; Occupations.; Professions.; United States. Army.; Vocation.; Work.

00:31:49 - Experience with ROTC and almost going into the military

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Partial Transcript: You said you were in ROTC is that--did you follow up with that with any military or--

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy talks about his ROTC experience at the University of Kentucky and how his hypertension led to him not entering the military afterward. He went to law school quicker than he had planned.

Keywords: Airborne Infantry; Fort Benning (Ga.); Fort Bragg (N.C.); Hypertension; Military; Military officers; Reserve Officers' Training Corps (ROTC); Southeast Asia; United States Army; Vietnam

Subjects: Education, Higher; Law schools.; United States. Army.; United States. Army. Reserve Officers' Training Corps; University of Kentucky; Vietnam War, 1961-1975

GPS: Vietnam.
Map Coordinates: 16, 108
GPS: Fort Bragg (N.C.)
Map Coordinates: 35.139167, -78.999167
GPS: Fort Benning (Ga.)
Map Coordinates: 32.366111, -84.969167
00:35:48 - Transition from Moloney and Moloney to Stoll, Keenon, and Park

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Partial Transcript: Okay, so, '82, uh, you make the jump from--

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy talks about joining Stoll, Keenon, and Park in 1982. He talks about how a friend mentioned the firm to him and, despite not planning on changing firms, he ended up joining the firm as a full partner.

Keywords: Career changes; Job changes; Lexington (Ky.); New jobs; Purchasing; Purchasing buildings; Work

Subjects: Careers.; Law firms.; Law.; Lawyers--Kentucky; Lawyers.; Occupations.; Professions.; Vocation.; Work.

GPS: Lexington (Ky.)
Map Coordinates: 38.029722, -84.494722
00:38:01 - First hearing about Christian Appalachian Project (CAP)

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Partial Transcript: When did you first hear of, uh, CAP or Father Beiting?

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy talks about first hearing about Christian Appalachian Project (CAP) from Donald and Dick Moloney, who had done legal work for Father Beiting. Donald Moloney had been the first executive director of the Kentucky Catholic Conference where he might have met Father Beiting. Dick Moloney had been an advisor to Father Beiting. Cassidy became an advisor on CAP's board after Dick Moloney passed away.

Keywords: Catholic Church; Christian Appalachian Project (CAP); Cliffview Lodge; Father Beiting; Father Ralph W. Beiting

Subjects: Beiting, Ralph W.; Careers.; Community development.; Community-based family services.; Law firms.; Law.; Lawyers--Kentucky; Lawyers.; Nonprofit organizations.; Occupations.; Professions.; Vocation.; Work.

00:41:43 - Father Beiting's bartering

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Partial Transcript: When Father was first dealing with them, I know he liked to barter a lot.

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy talks about the bartering that priests used to do, which originates from an old belief from Catholics that if a person does a service for a priest, they should do it for free or at a reduced cost. He also talks about how Father Beiting would barter sometimes but that has changed as bishops and priests no longer expect free professional work.

Keywords: Catholic Church; Catholic parishioners; Christian Appalachian Project (CAP); Father Beiting; Father Ralph W. Beiting

Subjects: Beiting, Ralph W.; Careers.; Community development.; Community-based family services.; Law firms.; Law.; Lawyers--Kentucky; Lawyers.; Nonprofit organizations.; Occupations.; Professions.; Vocation.; Work.

00:45:08 - Father Beiting as a visionary

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Partial Transcript: So when he was--(clears throat)--dealing with Dick and Don, it was more them acting towards him as a priest, or was it as much Father Beiting's personality, or did it mesh or--

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy gives examples of how Father Beiting was a visionary, such as how his non-Appalachian background and priest status made him different from Appalachians, but he still gained the respect and acceptance of people in Eastern Kentucky. Cassidy compares Father Beiting's work with the VISTA program and the War on Poverty. He gives The Attic stores as an example of how Father Beiting was able to help people while also making them feel like they kept their dignity.

Keywords: Appalachian life; Christian Appalachian Project (CAP); Eastern Kentucky; Father Beiting; Father Ralph W. Beiting; Pride; Priests; The Attic

Subjects: Appalachia.; Beiting, Ralph W.; Charity.; Christian Appalachian Project; Community life.; Community-based family services.; Community-based social services.; Kentucky--Social life and customs; Nonprofit organizations.; Rural conditions.

00:51:06 - Moving the CAP account to Stoll, Keenon, and Park

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Partial Transcript: When you came over to here, then you brought the CAP account with you?

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy took the CAP account with him to his new law firm. He felt that he could offer CAP more with Stoll, Keenon, and Park than with Geralds, Cassidy, and Moloney since it was small. Stoll, Keenon, and Park could provide CAP legal services in all areas.

Keywords: Christian Appalachian Project (CAP); Legal services

Subjects: Careers.; Christian Appalachian Project; Community development.; Community-based family services.; Community-based social services.; Law firms.; Law.; Lawyers--Kentucky; Lawyers.; Nonprofit organizations.; Occupations.; Professions.; Vocation.; Work.

00:52:26 - First joining CAP's Board of Directors

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Partial Transcript: Okay, he made you board--uh, on the board of directors.

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy talks about Dick Moloney's frustrations with Father Beiting and Father Beiting's problems with CAP's board. He talks about the advisory board meetings, which were partly social and partly business, although Cassidy preferred to keep it strictly business-related. He mentions people who had a falling-out with Father Beiting as well as people who were also on the board when he joined. Cassidy then briefly talks about Camp Nelson, which he describes as a dark period of time for CAP.

Keywords: Board of directors; Bob Harrigan; Camp Nelson; Christian Appalachian Project (CAP); Debts; Father Beiting; Father Ralph W. Beiting; Father Terence Hoppenjans; Harrison Pete; John Holloway; Paul Kissell; Steve Podesnach; Travis Patterson

Subjects: Beiting, Ralph W.; Boards of directors.; Christian Appalachian Project; Community development.; Community-based family services.; Community-based social services.; Debt.; Law firms.; Nonprofit organizations.

00:59:13 - CAP's board meetings / Recruiting new board members / Carrying on the legacy of CAP after Father Beiting's passing

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Partial Transcript: Um, go back a little bit to you being named on the board.

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy talks about how he became part of CAP's Board of Directors. He talks about how the board has tried to increase the number of people on it, but long travel times and long meetings make it difficult to find people who are available. He also talks about the lack of Eastern Kentuckians on the board and the lack of publicity for CAP within Kentucky. Finally, Cassidy discusses the importance of continuing CAP after Father Beiting passes away.

Keywords: Appalachia.; Board of directors; Business meetings; Catholics; Christian Appalachian Project (CAP); Eastern Kentucky; Father Beiting; Father Ralph W. Beiting; John Holloway; Lancaster (Ky.); Legacies; Meetings

Subjects: Beiting, Ralph W.; Boards of directors.; Community development.; Community-based family services.; Community-based social services.; Nonprofit organizations.

GPS: Lancaster (Ky.)
Map Coordinates: 37.618611, -84.579444
01:07:06 - Catholics and non-Catholics on the advisory board and board of directors

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Partial Transcript: Now the initial board was an all-Catholic board?

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy discusses the Catholic and non-Catholic make-up of the board and says he is trying to recruit new members that come from a variety of religious backgrounds. He also talks about the advisory board, whose members are non-voting.

Keywords: Christian Appalachian Project (CAP); Don Asphaw; Father Beiting; Father Ralph W. Beiting; Michael McLaughlin; Mike McLaughlin; Tom Christopher

Subjects: Advisory boards.; Beiting, Ralph W.; Boards of directors.; Catholics.; Community development.; Community-based family services.; Community-based social services.; Faith.; Families.; Nonprofit organizations.; Religion.; Spirituality.

01:14:37 - Including new groups of people on CAP's Board of Directors

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Partial Transcript: Uh, as nominating member, has there been any sort of push in terms of talking about--we talked about the religious aspect.

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy talks about how the board has discussed whether to include people from more of a variety of backgrounds. He says regardless of the board members' backgrounds, they need to be businesspeople. Board members have debated whether to include people from Eastern Kentucky to get their perspectives or whether the board should be more removed from Eastern Kentucky. Cassidy says the board has become more diverse, so there are more dissenting votes than when he first joined. However, he talks about Father Beiting's resilience in fighting for what he wants.

Keywords: Catholics; Christian Appalachian Project (CAP); Diversity; Eastern Kentucky; Father Beiting; Father Ralph W. Beiting; Religions

Subjects: Appalachia.; Beiting, Ralph W.; Business.; Christian Appalachian Project; Community development.; Community-based family services.; Community-based social services.; Corporations.; Nonprofit organizations.; Religion.

01:22:41 - The reconstitution of the Board of Directors

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Partial Transcript: You've mentioned the reconstituted board and when he disbanded the board. What--

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy discusses the circumstances that led to CAP's board disbanding, which occurred when Dick Moloney and Father Beiting were feuding. He then talks about how it reconstituted and the difficulties it faced afterward because the organization had expanded greatly yet was still operating as if it were a small one. Cassidy also talks about the measures in place in case the board were to disband.

Keywords: Advisory boards; Board of directors; Christian Appalachian Project (CAP); Father Beiting; Father Ralph W. Beiting; Father Terence Hoppenjans; Tom Christopher; Volunteering

Subjects: Advisory boards.; Beiting, Ralph W.; Boards of directors.; Christian Appalachian Project; Community development.; Community-based family services.; Community-based social services.; Nonprofit organizations.; Volunteering

01:29:06 - CAP's fundraising efforts

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Partial Transcript: This is tape two of interview with J. Peter Cassidy, Jr. on January 11, 1991.

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy discusses a Washington, D.C. fundraising organization that helped CAP advertise to a larger audience but also made it go into debt. However, the funding CAP obtained through the mailing lists helped them pay off the debt eventually. The mail they sent out promoting CAP did not always accurately depict CAP. The board later decided to improve the literature and then use the Washington, D.C. organization as a consultant.

Keywords: Board of directors; Christian Appalachian Project (CAP); Debts; Direct mail campaigns; Father Beiting; Father Ralph W. Beiting; Finances; Fundraising; Marketing; Washington (D.C.)

Subjects: Beiting, Ralph W.; Boards of directors.; Community development.; Community-based family services.; Community-based social services.; Debt.; Financials; Fund raising.; Nonprofit organizations.

GPS: Washington (D.C.)
Map Coordinates: 38.9101, -77.0147
01:37:49 - Paying off CAP's half a million dollars in debt

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Partial Transcript: Let's go back. You mentioned the, the five hundred thousand dollars indebtedness, was that counteracted with real property at CAP or is that something that they sort of absorbed in the fundraising outfit or how does that--

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy says that the half a million dollars of CAP's debt probably did not have collateral since it did not have much property at the time. The Washington, D.C. fundraising company was aware there was no collateral, but they were fine with it because they knew CAP could make enough money to pay off its debt. As the debt became paid off, the debt limit lowered more and more.

Keywords: Christian Appalachian Project (CAP); Father Beiting; Father Ralph W. Beiting; Finances

Subjects: Beiting, Ralph W.; Boards of directors.; Collateralized debt obligations.; Community development.; Community-based family services.; Community-based social services.; Debt.; Financials; Nonprofit organizations.

GPS: Washington (D.C.)
Map Coordinates: 38.9101, -77.0147
01:39:53 - CAP's unsuccessful TV appeals

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Partial Transcript: Down the line, uh, what about the, uh, TV and other ventures in fundraising?

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy says television advertising for CAP has not been successful. As the government contemplates putting more restrictions on mail solicitations, TV advertising becomes more appealing. The push for TV came from the Appeal Office due to the fear of governmental regulations restricting the income they could bring in. However, CAP's TV campaign has probably made them lose a lot of money without raising any.

Keywords: Advertisements; Christian Appalachian Project (CAP); Direct mail campaigns; Finances; Fundraising

Subjects: Christian Appalachian Project; Community development.; Community-based family services.; Community-based social services.; Financials; Fund raising.; Nonprofit organizations.; Television advertising.

01:45:27 - Improving CAP's management

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Partial Transcript: Uh, that was one of the two prongs you said that you seemed to be working on at the same time was the fundraising. The other part was the management structure.

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy says since people who used to help run CAP when it was smaller were not equipped to manage CAP on a large scale, they looked for someone who could manage a corporation. They hired Mike McLaughlin for personnel director so he could help them hire people. He then became vice president and then president after Father Beiting resigned as president to become chairman of the board. Cassidy says McLaughlin, Tom Christopher, and himself have had the biggest impact on the corporation as a business.

Keywords: Board of directors; Christian Appalachian Project (CAP); Corporations; Father Beiting; Father Ralph W. Beiting; Finances; Michael McLaughlin; Mike McLaughlin; Tom Christopher

Subjects: Beiting, Ralph W.; Boards of directors.; Business.; Christian Appalachian Project; Community development.; Community-based family services.; Community-based social services.; Financials; Nonprofit organizations.; Personnel management.

01:51:12 - The Camp Nelson disaster

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Partial Transcript: Uh, legal issues, uh--(laughs)--have been just unbelievable.

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy discusses the Camp Nelson disaster. One of the problems, Cassidy says, was that people would sell land to Father Beiting that he would then neglect to check whether the land was in their name. This caused problems when CAP would try to sell property. Cassidy says the large-scale unemployment after the distillery at Camp Nelson shut down motivated Father Beiting to turn it into a theme park and training service for hospitality. However, the money for Camp Nelson went mainly into hiring contractors to set up Camp Nelson, which Cassidy argues was too indirect of a way to benefit CAP.

Keywords: Appalachia; Appalachian life; Appalachian social conditions; Camp Nelson; Christian Appalachian Project (CAP); Distilleries; Father Beiting; Father Ralph W. Beiting; Finances; Hospitality; Theme parks; Unemployment

Subjects: Appalachian Region--Economic conditions.; Appalachian Region--Social conditions; Beiting, Ralph W.; Business.; Community development.; Community-based family services.; Community-based social services.; Financials; Nonprofit organizations.

GPS: Camp Nelson (Ky.)
Map Coordinates: 37.787778, -84.598056
GPS: Jessamine County (Ky.)
Map Coordinates: 37.87, -84.58
02:06:15 - Appalachian Development Corporation

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Partial Transcript: But you haven't totally shied away from acquisitions and buildings--

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy says Camp Nelson, Fort Bramley, and Renfro Valley were the last large projects they have worked on or thought about working on. They have been working on acquiring facilities such as ones for victims of spouse abuse, teenage recreation, and more. The board created a for-profit corporation called the Appalachian Development Corporation to look for ways to employ people in Appalachia. CAP has given grants to people to start businesses, some of which have succeeded and others of which have failed. Cassidy says he hopes CAP can work with local communities to attract businesses to their communities. However, he says they will not be spending as much money on economic development now.

Keywords: Acquisitions; Appalachian Development Corporation; Building; Camp Nelson; Christian Appalachian Project (CAP); Father Beiting; Father Ralph W. Beiting; Fort Bramley; Jobs; Renfro Valley; Trailers; Unemployment

Subjects: Appalachia.; Appalachian Region--Economic conditions.; Beiting, Ralph W.; Buildings.; Business.; Communities.; Community development.; Community-based family services.; Community-based social services.; Financials; Nonprofit organizations.; Personnel management.

02:11:57 - Cassidy's encounters with Father Beiting

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Partial Transcript: Okay, uh, when did--was there a time that you went out with Father when you first came on the board that you went out...

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy says he has had the least experience with CAP and the least contact with Father Beiting out of the board members. Father Beiting still wants people who can be hands-on while Cassidy thinks the people who should run the corporation might have less time to help since they are professionals. Cassidy says his experiences with Father Beiting are mainly legal-related ones.

Keywords: Attorneys; Board of directors; Christian Appalachian Project (CAP); Corporations; Father Beiting; Father Ralph W. Beiting; Michael McLaughlin; Mike McLaughlin

Subjects: Beiting, Ralph W.; Boards of directors.; Community development.; Community-based family services.; Community-based social services.; Corporations.; Lawyers--Kentucky; Nonprofit organizations.

02:17:17 - Committees at CAP

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Partial Transcript: So in terms of hands-on people in CAP that you get information from, it would mainly be?

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy and Dr. Burchett run a teenage and adolescent committee and work with Mo Mercier to help kids. Burchett and Cassidy travelled through towns in Kentucky to visit daycare and teenage centers, a GED program, and a mothers' home that is now closed. He says the reason for the committees is so when requests are made, someone on the board would have first-hand experience with that area of CAP and could advocate for it. Cassidy does not philosophically agree with this practice and thinks the management corporation should monitor this.

Keywords: Adolescents; Berea (Ky.); Bill Begley; Board of directors; Christian Appalachian Project (CAP); Committees; Management; Maurice Mercier; Mo Mercier; Mount Vernon (Ky.); Prestonsburg (Ky.); Richmond (Ky.); Rockcastle County (Ky.); Teenagers

Subjects: Boards of directors.; Christian Appalachian Project; Committees.; Community development.; Community-based family services.; Community-based social services.; Lawyers--Kentucky; Management.; Nonprofit organizations.

GPS: Prestonsburg (Ky.)
Map Coordinates: 37.667778, -82.758889
GPS: Rockcastle County (Ky.)
Map Coordinates: 37.36, -84.32
GPS: Berea (Ky.)
Map Coordinates: 37.576944, -84.293611
GPS: Mount Vernon (Ky.)
Map Coordinates: 37.366944, -84.3375
GPS: Richmond (Ky.)
Map Coordinates: 37.724167, -84.292778
02:24:15 - Management structure changes

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Partial Transcript: Uh, in terms of corporate management decisions, there was some management structure changes, you know, over the last, well definitely, definitely over the last five-six years.

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy says CAP's board changed its management structure when it realized Father Beiting would not live forever and needed to continue after he passed away. The board has begun to look at CAP more as a business rather than a social organization. He says having an upper middle management, such as appointing Mike McLaughlin as personnel director, helped bridge the gap between Father Beiting and the rest of the people who run CAP.

Keywords: Christian Appalachian Project (CAP); Father Beiting; Father Ralph W. Beiting; Legacies; Michael McLaughlin; Mike McLaughlin

Subjects: Beiting, Ralph W.; Business.; Community development.; Community-based family services.; Community-based social services.; Management.; Nonprofit organizations.; Personnel management.

02:29:14 - How Father Beiting has changed

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Partial Transcript: Well, has Father changed much on--as chairman of the board in the time or is he just basically the same, comes in with the same type take charge--

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy thinks Father Beiting has changed because he has accepted that he is not the chief operating officer and that Mike McLaughlin assumes that role now. His goals for Appalachia, however, have not changed because he has always been ambitious about helping the people in Eastern Kentucky. Cassidy says he thinks Father Beiting now plays a minor role in daily operations but serves as a leader and figurehead. Since Father Beiting has moved to Martin, people see him less.

Keywords: Chief operating officers; Christian Appalachian Project (CAP); Father Beiting; Father Ralph W. Beiting; Michael McLaughlin; Mike McLaughlin

Subjects: Appalachia.; Beiting, Ralph W.; Community development.; Community-based family services.; Community-based social services.; Martin (Ky.); Nonprofit organizations.; Personnel management.

GPS: Martin (Ky.)
Map Coordinates: 37.567778, -82.759444
02:33:20 - How Cassidy's family thinks of CAP and their experiences with CAP

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Partial Transcript: I'm gonna end sort of where I started: w-w-with your family.

Segment Synopsis: Cassidy says that his wife has worked with people from Eastern Kentucky frequently and knows Father Beiting. Cassidy's oldest daughter, Katie, did clerical work for Cassidy involving CAP one summer. He mentions some of his children's other volunteer ventures. However, Cassidy says his children have not learned to appreciate CAP yet since they are still teenagers, and they do not see Cassidy's involvement with CAP as anything different from his usual work.

Keywords: Camp AJ; Camp Andrew Jackson; Christian Appalachian Project (CAP); Father Beiting; Father Ralph W. Beiting; Irvine (Ky.); Michael McLaughlin; Mike McLaughlin; Somerset (Ky.); Volunteering; Volunteerism; Volunteers

Subjects: Appalachia.; Beiting, Ralph W.; Community development.; Community-based family services.; Community-based social services.; Nonprofit organizations.

GPS: Irvine (Ky.)
Map Coordinates: 37.696944, -83.966944
GPS: Somerset (Ky.)
Map Coordinates: 37.083056, -84.609444