00:00:00SUCHANEK: Okay, go ahead.
KEIGHTLEY: Are we still on now?
SUCHANEK: Yeah, we're still on. Yeah, okay.
KEIGHTLEY: But.
SUCHANEK: We're talking about Jay Shidler.
KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, as he was, he was just totally unstoppable because of his,
his shooting range. He was such a strong kid. And, and a deadly outside shooter. I
know we went up to I.U. and they had one of their better teams than they've ever had.
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh.
KEIGHTLEY: Jay just shot 'em completely out of the water at Bloomington.
And...
SUCHANEK: Did he stay all four years?
KEIGHTLEY: Yes, he was here all four years and he got, he got in his
sophomore year, he got an injury that kind of, kind of held him back a little bit and he
00:01:00eventually lost his starting position to Truman Claytor, who was the, who was the other
guard on the 1977, '78 National Championship team.
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh.
KEIGHTLEY: But Jay was always, he was, you know I never named one
favorite player, but Jay was always one of my favorite players because he came from a
very modest background. And you know he never, never complained about anything
or asked for anything just kind of bounced along and did the best he could and in fact
after he, he played baseball for a while.
SUCHANEK: At U.K.?
KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, at U.K.
00:02:00
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh.
KEIGHTLEY: But never did reach his potential. But after, after he graduated
from here he eventually wound up back here in Lexington and right now Lexington is
his home.
SUCHANEK: Oh, okay.
KEIGHTLEY: And he's, I see, I see his wife Cindy regularly and Jay is always
the kind of he's worked in the restaurant business primarily.
SUCHANEK: As a manager or?
KEIGHTLEY: Yes, as a manager and overseeing the operations of the kitchen.
That's his wife's profession too.
SUCHANEK: Oh, okay.
KEIGHTLEY: And so he's, he's really a hardworking kid.
00:03:00
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh. I'll have to get to know him cause I like to eat (laughter).
KEIGHTLEY: (Laughter) Well, he also has worked some as a bartender
(laughter).
SUCHANEK: (Laughter) I really got to get to know him then (laughter).
KEIGHTLEY: (Laughter).
SUCHANEK: Okay, how about Tim Stephens?
KEIGHTLEY: Oh from McCreary County. Oh, Timmy! Timmy came here to, at
the very first basketball camp we ever had. That was in 1973, '74 year and of course
we had the camp was in about May of '74. Lynn Nance was camp director. We had in
00:04:00our first Joe Hall basketball camp, we had forty-nine kids and three of those kids were,
Tim Stephens was one.
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh.
KEIGHTLEY: Vince Taylor who went on to Duke and had an illustrious career
and today is with the Minnesota Timberwolves in some position which I don't know
what it is. And the third one was a kid that came here from Knoxville, Tennessee as a
walk on, Chris Gettelfinger. That was the first basketball camp but Tim from McCreary
County and.
SUCHANEK: They're not too many players come from McCreary County.
KEIGHTLEY: Hey, that's right (laughter). We used to call Tim, he was rather
00:05:00slender he was left-handed and really was, was a real nice player. But his nickname
was "Stick".
SUCHANEK: (Laughter).
KEIGHTLEY: And I he, he was always such a congenial kid and I loved his, his
parents and his brother. His dad's name was Orville and we used to kid Tim about
Orville taking a (laughter) a board and whipping his butt, if he didn't do right (laughter).
SUCHANEK: (Laughter).
KEIGHTLEY: But Tim stayed here and he got a, a severe knee injury and
eventually transferred and went back to Cumberland and finished his career there at,
at Cumberland College.
SUCHANEK: How many years did he play here?
KEIGHTLEY: He was here, he was here two years.
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SUCHANEK: Two years. Do you still here from him?
KEIGHTLEY: Oh, yes, yeah I see old Stick from time, yeah.
SUCHANEK: Where is he at?
KEIGHTLEY: He's, he's up in McCreary County.
SUCHANEK: Okay.
KEIGHTLEY: He's probably, he's probably
SUCHANEK: In his thirties.
KEIGHTLEY: He's probably retired from, from teaching now.
SUCHANEK: Okay.
KEIGHTLEY: You know I mean time whizzes by so, and he married his, his
college girlfriend and now Tim has grown a beard and he looks like Abraham Lincoln
(laughter).
SUCHANEK: (Laughter).
KEIGHTLEY: But yeah, old Stick is one of the good ones from, actually
Williamsburg, Kentucky is,
SUCHANEK: Williamsburg?
KEIGHTLEY: The closest big city (laughter).
SUCHANEK: Okay (laughter) if you call it a big city right?
KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, that's it.
SUCHANEK: Yeah, now you, you I know you've, you've, you've been here so
long you've, you've been here for over a thousand games that, that championship year
00:07:00in '78. It's probably hard for you to recall particular games from any particular season.
But is there any game during that championship season that you recall for any
particular reason other than the final game?
KEIGHTLEY: Well as I say, you know we were rated top rated team going in so
that there kept your attention. You know if you're Number One, boy you've got to work
harder than anyone else because it's harder to stay there than it is to get there and,
and any you know the particular games not, not necessarily probably,
SUCHANEK: So, let's talk about...
KEIGHTLEY: Probably well most of the games we lost a couple of games that
00:08:00year. One of them to Alabama and I believe the other may be to L.S.U. I believe. But
anyhow you know everybody was so focused on, on winning the National
Championship that every game was really big and of course the, the, the road to the, to
the tournament championship was, was really a tough road because we had, we had.
SUCHANEK: How many teams were in the, the NCAA? Was that sixty-four, or
was that more of a recent kind of thing?
KEIGHTLEY: That's you know what I believe maybe this might have been thirty-
two.
SUCHANEK: Okay.
KEIGHTLEY: I believe, I don't know when they changed to sixty-four. Let's see
00:09:00we played two in Dayton and of course I know we played two in St. Louis and don't
remember where that, Dayton is where we, we was the, where the quarterfinals was
played because we played Michigan State and they had Magic Johnson. And that
was, Kyle Macy engineered that win 'cause he hit a couple of free throws. They gave
us a little breathing room near the end because Michigan State had a really, really
great ball club.
00:10:00
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh.
KEIGHTLEY: And then.
SUCHANEK: Let's see it says, the semi finals were against Miami.
KEIGHTLEY: I believe Knoxville was the first not I think maybe Florida State.
SUCHANEK: Yeah, that's right you played Florida State at Knoxville that year.
KEIGHTLEY: Yeah.
SUCHANEK: And then you went to Dayton.
KEIGHTLEY: Dayton yeah.
SUCHANEK: And Miami had upset Marquette.
KEIGHTLEY: Yeah.
SUCHANEK: And so of course the Miami game was not very close 91 to 69.
KEIGHTLEY: Yes.
SUCHANEK: And then Michigan State in the, in the Mideast finals.
KEIGHTLEY: What was it, a four point game?
SUCHANEK: It was 52 to 49. That's right.
KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, okay. Macy hit a couple of free throws I know.
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh, that's right.
KEIGHTLEY: It was a defensive struggle. I mean that's the reason that team,
they, they would control completely control the backboards.
00:11:00
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh.
KEIGHTLEY: And Michigan State did not get into a running foray with us for
that reason so.
SUCHANEK: It says that we, we changed our defense that, that year that game
going to a one, three, one zone.
KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, yeah, we did, yes, surely did. But that, that you know was a
very memorable game and I think maybe, maybe the reason it sticks out in my mind it
might have been the bus ride back to Lexington from Dayton. Because the closer we
got back to Lexington, I'm talking about when we crossed the Ohio River, on every
overpass on the interstate there was people standing on the overpasses with banners
00:12:00and signs and waving and the closer you got to Lexington the bigger the crowds.
SUCHANEK: That must have been some kind of feeling on that bus to see that.
KEIGHTLEY: Well as I say, that may be the reason that I pinpoint that Michigan
State game because you know you had no idea how important it was to the people of
the State of Kentucky.
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh.
KEIGHTLEY: And.
SUCHANEK: You wouldn't get that in very many other states I don't think.
KEIGHTLEY: No, not, no. I mean you talking about still eighty miles from home
people standing on the overpass right at a, at a state line.
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh. Well I know for, for many years, I don't know if they still
do, but 700 WLW used to carry the Cats games.
KEIGHTLEY: Yes, yes.
SUCHANEK: In Cincinnati.
KEIGHTLEY: They did, yes. Yeah, they were the flag, they were the flagship
station for about three to four years.
SUCHANEK: Oh, okay, fifty thousand watts.
00:13:00
KEIGHTLEY: Fifty thousand watts.
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh.
KEIGHTLEY: And I guess they still are and I can't hardly get the Reds baseball
game at my house (laughter).
SUCHANEK: (Laugher).
KEIGHTLEY: They, they cut the power. They have to cut back at a certain time
of an evening like.
SUCHANEK: Yeah, seven o'clock or something yeah.
KEIGHTLEY: Yes, yeah and, and it just makes them one of another station.
SUCHANEK: That's right exactly yeah.
KEIGHTLEY: But anyhow that was in then of course you can imagine the
bedlam when we got back to the coliseum, but then.
SUCHANEK: Were people lining the streets out here?
KEIGHTLEY: Oh, you could yes, yes, yes.
SUCHANEK: And that wasn't even for the finals yet.
KEIGHTLEY: No that's not even for the finals.
SUCHANEK: (Laughter).
KEIGHTLEY: That, that thing you know when we arrived home that was one of
00:14:00the only really mob scenes I've ever been in, in my life.
SUCHANEK: What time did you get in, back in town?
KEIGHTLEY: Oh, we were, we didn't get in until about three o'clock in the
morning. We had some kind of plane trouble that delayed us a little bit but it was real
late when we got in. And all those not, not hundreds, thousands of people got along
the highway and up into the airport and that, that, that particular scene caused the
airport to change a lot of their regulations.
SUCHANEK: Huh.
KEIGHTLEY: But it, it was, it was really, really a, a mob scene. You, you could
hardly drive the bus up U.S. 60 for people where they were parked all the way in, into
00:15:00town past New Circle Road on the side of the road.
SUCHANEK: How's that make you feel? I mean you feel like you're walking on
air?
KEIGHTLEY: Well it gives you, I guess it, it really gives you a great satisfaction
to have been part of it.
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh.
KEIGHTLEY: You know just, just being with them but I, I guess that's what, I
wish everyone could experience that one time.
SUCHANEK: Well I was going to ask you, do you recall anybody getting up on
the bus like the coach or someone and saying, you know to the players, "Boys
remember this the rest of your life because, you know this is never going to happen to
you again."
KEIGHTLEY: I, you know I was so engrossed in what ,you know what was
happening I don't, I don't recall that but, but anyhow anytime you win a National
00:16:00Championship of course you know these happen to a degree but never to the degree
that, that, that particular one since I've been here.
SUCHANEK: Well, it had been how long since, since U. K. won a
championship?
KEIGHTLEY: Yes, I mean you know I had '96 and then they had '98 and they
were, and they were huge now. I remember on the '96 how we'd get way ahead of it,
but we were on the bus again, people parked along the U.S. 60, but it's in the, it's still
daylight when we get home.
SUCHANEK: (Laughter).
KEIGHTLEY: And we're going by the Lexington Cemetery and there's a guy, a
grave digger is down in there digging a grave and we look over to the left you can just
see a little bit of his head sticking out and he's waving his shovel.
00:17:00
SUCHANEK: (Laughter).
KEIGHTLEY: (Laughter) as we pass the cemetery.
SUCHANEK: (Laughter) are you sure it wasn't the body?
KEIGHTLEY: (Laughter) maybe, maybe might somebody might have arisen for
all I know.
SUCHANEK: (Laughter).
KEIGHTLEY: I remember Rick got the biggest kick out of that one (laughter).
SUCHANEK: (Laughter) you know you were talking about being rated Number
One from the start of the season; how much pressure does that put not only on the
players but the coaching staff and also everyone associated with the basketball
program including yourself?
KEIGHTLEY: Well that Jeff is referred to, to this day as "The Season of No
00:18:00Celebration." Nationwide everybody knew that we were so focused that we were
labeled a team that had no fun.
SUCHANEK: Huh.
KEIGHTLEY: And I know even after we had beaten Arkansas in, in the semi-
final game, I know we were going to the locker room, the guys are you know jubilant
but I, I remember Joe B. turning around said, "Hold it fellows, hold it, no, no
celebration." So it became known as the "Year of No Celebration" and everybody
talked about how much fun Duke was having. Bill Foster was coaching Duke at that
00:19:00time and they were talking about all those kids were playing and just having so much
fun. But I know that we decided when we went to the locker room after that, things
over because we had you know 18 - 20 point lead and they whittled her down just a
little bit at the end but it was never a contest.
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh.
KEIGHTLEY: And we, I know that our, our response to that situation was, "I
wonder how much fun they're having now."
SUCHANEK: (Laughter) in the losers locker room.
KEIGHTLEY: And let me see I'm trying to think, I, let's see, what would have
been the 2000 I guess it would have been 2003, 2004 season we celebrated reunion
00:20:00with 25 years at, at Rupp Arena.
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh.
KEIGHTLEY: And I know that Joe B. and I were, Joe B. was in front of me and I
was right behind him for the introductions but anyhow I, I recall saying to Joe B. before
he walked out, I said, "Wonder how much fun they're having at Duke tonight."
(Laughter)
SUCHANEK: (Laughter).
KEIGHTLEY: Because they reintroduced you know the entire team.
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh. Was that true about the not having fun?
KEIGHTLEY: Well, we, we, we were pretty, we were pretty focused like I told you
when you're Number One, you got to work harder to stay there. It's, it's easier to get
there than it is to stay.
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh.
KEIGHTLEY: And we, we just worked hard. Joe B. was a disciplinarian but, you
00:21:00know but a very, very fair person. It's just, it's just a fact we, we had a goal and we
didn't let anything get in the way of it. We made it.
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh, I remember that, that, that year and I didn't remember
"The Season of No Celebration," but I remember even watching some of those games
and thinking it looked like more like a job.
KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, well.
SUCHANEK: Like going to work for the Kentucky players.
KEIGHTLEY: Yes, yes, yeah and.
SUCHANEK: Well, talking about the pressure you know even, even on yourself
I imagine you felt that kind of pressure.
KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, it's.
SUCHANEK: Did you, did you notice doing anything differently you know
because like making sure that the practice facility was ready when, when the players
wanted it or...
KEIGHTLEY: You know Jeff, I'll tell you of course as I say, that, that year we
00:22:00were focused and we knew we had the, the talent to achieve our goal.
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh.
KEIGHTLEY: And but I can't say that we did anything differently. I tell you this,
this is 2006, that same pressure is still here everyday if you're in Kentucky basketball.
The, the past success is what puts pressure on you and even today I say, we, we don't
you know, if we win a big game, you, you won't see all the jumping around and fans
trying to run on the floor. Now we've we have been part of it when somebody will beat
us on the road you know, upset us and they get rather jubilant but we, we really, we
00:23:00really have never been that exuberant publicly. I mean you know kids might jump
around a little bit like after, we you know, we had a string where we had beaten Florida
seven straight games.
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh.
KEIGHTLEY: And, and the fans of Florida are just like they, no, (laughter)
they're a little louder than a lot of other places and it's kind of unusual there because
they have no basketball tradition.
SUCHANEK: Right.
KEIGHTLEY: Actually nobody really cares. Because they don't now, I'm getting
way ahead of the story, but they, they won't fill they won't fill their arena.
SUCHANEK: Even though they're National Champs.
KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, they just won't do it. It's a football school.
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh.
KEIGHTLEY: But.
SUCHANEK: Let me ask you this. Is it, being at Kentucky, is there more
00:24:00pressure on everyone here in the basketball program after you have won a
championship or after a season like this last season that didn't go so well?
KEIGHTLEY: Well, the, the yes you know, if things don't go like you're saying
and we've had, along my way we've had those seasons before and hopefully we'll live
long enough to see, you don't, you know, you don't want the Glory Road every year.
You would like to have it, but you know it's impossible to obtain.
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh.
KEIGHTLEY: But yes, it puts a little more pressure on you. Yes it does. There's
a little more pressure to do well this year than there was last year.
SUCHANEK: So in other words after you win a championship even though this
is Kentucky and you're expected,
KEIGHTLEY: Yes.
SUCHANEK: to win it next year. It's almost like you can, you can breathe a sigh
of relief because,
KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, the pressure gone.
00:25:00
SUCHANEK: You bought some time or something you know.
KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, yeah hey, you know what, at least you got from April to
October.
SUCHANEK: (Laughter).
KEIGHTLEY: Maybe you can lean back a little bit and breathe easily.
SUCHANEK: But after a season like last year.
KEIGHTLEY: Hey, you know what? We've been really, really focused all, all
summer long.
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh.
KEIGHTLEY: Getting the bits and pieces put together and it's, it's really tough
on Coach Smith because now people say it's been what, eight years since we won a
championship. You know, so what? Most schools never win one.
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh.
KEIGHTLEY: So you know, let's... I'm trying to think 1939, the first NCAA
Championship, that would have been, that would have been sixty-one years, sixty-
00:26:00seven years. We got over three hundred division one schools so between Kentucky
and U.C.L.A., there's not a whole lot to spread around (laughter) among the other three
hundred and some schools.
SUCHANEK: That's right, that's right.
KEIGHTLEY: So you know it is, it's a, it's a big thing and there is pressure.
There is pressure for us to do well this year.
SUCHANEK: When you, when you win a championship as opposed to last
year, does your speaking engagements go up or do they stay about the same?
KEIGHTLEY: Here at Kentucky the appetite for basketball is, is never appeased
(laughter) they, hey it makes, they want to hear, they want to hear about it everyday.
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh.
KEIGHTLEY: And that's what makes it so special here. That's the reason it's a
tougher place than, than most schools because people want to, and I know other
00:27:00schools want to win, but not to the degree that the fans at the University of Kentucky
and the state of the University of Kentucky. Now no other place wants it as badly as
they do.
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh.
KEIGHTLEY: And that's, that's an enjoyable thing because I know, you know, a
person like myself of course I've been here all these years but you become highly
visible. Now is that good or is that bad? Its good (laughter).
SUCHANEK: (Laughter).
KEIGHTLEY: You know there's a lot of people and I don't hey I, I most certainly
don't try to be visible but you know what, due to my exposure from being part of this
basketball program, I don't care where I go somebody, somebody,
00:28:00
SUCHANEK: Knows who you are.
KEIGHTLEY: knows who I am.
SUCHANEK: You're a celebrity.
KEIGHTLEY: Well, nope (laughter).
SUCHANEK: (Laughter) well you are.
KEIGHTLEY: Well like I've told you (laugher).
SUCHANEK: Whether you want to be or not, you are.
KEIGHTLEY: Yes, but, but, the, the, the thing you have to do and it's no, it's no
problem for me, but you have to share yourself with these people. You just have to do
it. And the more you do it, the more they know you.
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh.
KEIGHTLEY: And the longer you live the more people out there know you.
SUCHANEK: But so many people would like to be in your shoes just for one
night just to sit on that U.K. bench.
KEIGHTLEY: Sure I, I agree with that. Yes sir, I agree with that.
SUCHANEK: Even last year's team (laughter).
KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, they, yeah they'd make, they'd just love it to death just to
even be sitting there when we lose three straight (laughter).
SUCHANEK: (Laughter).
00:29:00
KEIGHTLEY: They'd still love it.
SUCHANEK: (Laughter) you know you were talking about the celebration and
how it's different here than at other schools you know when we get beat on the road
sometimes you see those, those mob scenes where the fans storm the court, they're
so happy. It reminds me of what Paul Warfield once said about these football players
who celebrate once they get in the end zone, and he, I think he said it was Blanton
Collier told him one time he said, "Don't celebrate like that, just hand the ball to the
official because you want to make it look like you've been there before." (Laughter)
KEIGHTLEY: Yes, that's right, that's right (laughter).
SUCHANEK: (Laughter) that this is nothing unusual.
KEIGHTLEY: Yes, yeah that's right. It's expected.
SUCHANEK: Yeah (laughter).
KEIGHTLEY: (Laughter) yes that's right, yes.
SUCHANEK: You act like you've been there before.
KEIGHTLEY: You act like you've been there before.
SUCHANEK: Not doing this Billy "White Shoes" Johnson dance.
KEIGHTLEY: Oh, yes, how about that (laughter).
SUCHANEK: (Laughter).
KEIGHTLEY: Now you got T. O. Owens you know whatever, whatever it is he
00:30:00can do.
SUCHANEK: That's right, signing footballs.
KEIGHTLEY: That's right, yes, yeah.
SUCHANEK: Well, it's like we were talking about earlier that it's now a days
with athletes that the name on the back of the uniform is more important than the
name on the front.
KEIGHTLEY: Yeah they, it's, they say you have to change with, with society
and it makes it difficult when we see what we were just talking about like Owens. It's a
bad example for all these other kids because now, and you can see it in colleges and
most assuredly pros but, the individual wants to dress differently so he calls attention
to himself by being looking a little different than the rest of the people and that's one
00:31:00thing here that we, that we strive to avoid.
SUCHANEK: And I think that's, that may work recruiting wise against Coach
Smith.
KEIGHTLEY: It's, it's yeah you, it's probably in an era now where people don't
want to be restricted in, in their...
SUCHANEK: Individuality.
KEIGHTLEY: Yes that's right, that's right, it's like, it's like, the freedom of speech
to them. You know you should not be, you should not be controlled.
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh. You know Coach Smith being sort of known as being
"old school", this must be a hard time for him to coach.
KEIGHTLEY: Well, I'm sure it is. Yes, we could say "old school" but then you
know, I can, there are examples out there of... okay, I'll take baseball. The one thing I
00:32:00really admire about the New York Yankees is, they look like a professional team.
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh.
KEIGHTLEY: And I'm not saying this to be derogatory to anyone but you won't
see the beards, the goatees, the long hair every one of them looks like what I think is a
model citizen.
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh. Even Johnny Damon.
KEIGHTLEY: But there are millions of people today would say I didn't know
what a model citizen looks like but.
SUCHANEK: You mean Johnny Damon was reformed.
KEIGHTLEY: Hey, you know and, and Giambi.
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh.
KEIGHTLEY: You know when, when he was at, at Oakland.
SUCHANEK: He looked a mess.
KEIGHTLEY: Oh, he was a mess had the long hair, the beard and he was
talking about you know, in Oakland everybody recognized him for that. Well when he
00:33:00got to New York you know, Steinbrenner told him what must be done and he said, "If
they had asked me to have done this in Oakland, I would have gladly done it."
"Nobody ever asked me."
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh.
KEIGHTLEY: So you know there's, there's plenty of people out there. They
hear all the time young people are crying for discipline. It may, it might be a few but I
don't think all of them are crying for discipline (laughter).
SUCHANEK: (Laughter).
KEIGHTLEY: I think they would like to be able to express themselves by the
way they dress and the way they look.
SUCHANEK: Does Coach Smith have a dress code of any kind?
KEIGHTLEY: Well we, we, we try to keep 'em groomed. You know we have, we
00:34:00have a saying and this has been here in Kentucky for, for many years, you know what,
you want to look the best you can for yourself at all times. So, it's with society changed
as it has it's, it's hard for a lot of kids to conform to some of the things that you would
like for them to do.
SUCHANEK: Uh, huh, you know one thing I haven't noticed on Kentucky
players a lot anyway, are tattoos.
KEIGHTLEY: No we, we have, we have very, very few but.
SUCHANEK: You know are they counseled against doing that or is that?
KEIGHTLEY: No we, we never, no we do not, do not address that at all. I mean
either you have it or you don't and I, I don't know, yes, I guess we have had maybe one
00:35:00or two got a tattoo after they, they were here and I know.
SUCHANEK: I was thinking Bogans had one when he was here.
KEIGHTLEY: Yes, yes but football players especially big old lineman they like to
get a, you know a tattoo down here on the calf of their leg you know.
SUCHANEK: Well and they like to have that barbwire around their bicep.
KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, yeah, yes, yes (laughter).
SUCHANEK: (Laughter) you know I just don't know if they don't realize that
stuff doesn't come off.
KEIGHTLEY: That's the thing Jeff that I, that I don't understand. I would be like
what Richie Farmer said to his brother Russell. Russell got a tattoo and Richie said,
"Russ what, what are you doing?" He said, "Well, I like it." And Richie said, "Well I sure
00:36:00hope you do because it's not going to come off easily." (Laughter)
SUCHANEK: (Laughter). Well, why don't we stop for today and we'll take up
with the, the year after the championship next time.
KEIGHTLEY: Okay.
SUCHANEK: Alright, I know you've got things to do.
KEIGHTLEY: Yeah.
