Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History

Interview with Darrell Ishmael, November 27, 2006

Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries
Transcript
Toggle Index/Transcript View Switch.
Index
Search this Index
X
00:00:00 - Biographical information

Play segment

Partial Transcript: Uh, this is Dale Johnson working with Eastern Kentucky PRIDE Incorporated, talking with former PRIDE director Darrell Ishmael at Eastern Kentucky Power in Winchester, Kentucky on December 13th--

Segment Synopsis: Ishmael discusses his current place of work, the place he grew up, and where he went to college.

Keywords: Eastern Kentucky; Executive directors; Mt. Sterling (Ky.); Personal Responsibility in a Desirable Environment (PRIDE)

Subjects: East Kentucky Power Cooperative; Mount Sterling (Ky.); University of Kentucky

00:02:36 - Work with Department of Transportation

Play segment

Partial Transcript: And s--my next note here is Department of Transportation environmental impact.

Segment Synopsis: Ishmael discusses his work with the Department of Transportation. Ishmael also discusses the vanpooling program he helped start.

Keywords: Carpooling; Carpools; Department of Transportation; Employers; Environmental impact; Park and ride; Revolving loan funds; Vanpooling; Vanpools

Subjects: Car pools; Frankfort (Ky.); Van pools

00:06:21 - Beginnings of PRIDE

Play segment

Partial Transcript: Y, you're on your--I--for some reason I had you're on your 28th year at e, East Kentucky Power?

Segment Synopsis: Ishmael discusses the beginnings of PRIDE. Ishmael also discusses the importance of local leadership.

Keywords: Bickford, James; Hal Rogers; Illegal dumps; James Bickford; Jobs; Personal Responsibility in a Desirable Environment (PRIDE); Rogers, Hal

Subjects: Careers; East Kentucky Power Cooperative; Employment--Kentucky; Harlan County (Ky.); Meetings; Occupations; Rogers, Harold, 1937-

00:10:09 - Getting the word out about PRIDE

Play segment

Partial Transcript: Well we were talking about that, how, um, you know you were, you were hired, what, November '97?

Segment Synopsis: Ishmael discusses how they spread the word about PRIDE cleanups in the beginning and the instrumental role PRIDE coordinators played.

Keywords: Cleanups; PRIDE coordinators; Personal Responsibility in a Desirable Environment (PRIDE); Volunteering

Subjects: Publicity; Voluntarism; Volunteers

00:14:00 - Selecting PRIDE coordinators / first white goods buyback

Play segment

Partial Transcript: Now did some of, some of these did you ask the judge to identify somebody?

Segment Synopsis: Ishmael discusses how the first PRIDE coordinators were selected. Ishmael and Johnson discuss Neeley Back. Ishmael also discusses the first white goods buyback.

Keywords: Back, Neeley; Eunice Johnson; Johnson, Eunice; Metal buybacks; Neeley Back; PRIDE coordinators; Personal Responsibility in a Desirable Environment (PRIDE); White appliances; White goods

Subjects: Breathitt County (Ky.); Household appliances; Jackson (Ky.); Judges; Metals

00:17:30 - The growth of PRIDE

Play segment

Partial Transcript: So you guys were just really--

Segment Synopsis: Ishmael discusses the quick growth of PRIDE. Ishmael also discusses why PRIDE is able to rely on volunteers whereas homeland security has more difficulties getting people.

Keywords: Homeland security; Personal Responsibility in a Desirable Environment (PRIDE); Volunteering

Subjects: Environmentalism; Growth; National security--United States.; Regionalism; Voluntarism; Volunteers

00:21:36 - The goals of PRIDE

Play segment

Partial Transcript: But, uh, we were talking about if, um, uh, the initial programs are pretty much the same.

Segment Synopsis: Ishmael discusses the original goals of PRIDE and how they are similar to the current goals.

Keywords: Carol Cox; Cox, Carol; Dump cleanups; Dumps; Hall, Kathy; Illegal dump cleanups; Illegal dumps; Kathy Hall; Personal Responsibility in a Desirable Environment (PRIDE); Revolving loan fund; Revolving loans; Septic systems; Sewer line expansions; Sewer lines; Sewers; Straight pipes; Volunteering

Subjects: Education; Environmental education; Environmentalism; Septic tanks; Sewage; Sewerage; Voluntarism; Volunteers

00:25:26 - Early funding issues

Play segment

Partial Transcript: Um, one thing that really--that I was missing that I wanted to talk about again was that epic struggle about the--your ten million dollar, um, allo--um, not allocation--

Segment Synopsis: Ishmael discusses funding difficulties in the beginning of PRIDE and the support of East Kentucky Power. Ishmael also discusses his interesting working conditions in the beginning of PRIDE.

Keywords: Appropriations; Closets; Hal Rogers; National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA); Personal Responsibility in a Desirable Environment (PRIDE); Rogers, Hal

Subjects: Bureaucracy; Center for Rural Development; East Kentucky Power Cooperative; Grants and funding; Money; Rogers, Harold, 1937-; United States. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration

00:32:49 - PRIDE foundation and community building

Play segment

Partial Transcript: And, um, now we did--I think we're just about to the point where, um, where we're good as far as this interview but--

Segment Synopsis: Ishmael discusses the PRIDE foundation and the reason it was established. Ishmael also discusses the importance of volunteering for community building.

Keywords: Celebrations; Cleanups; Eastern Kentucky PRIDE; National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA); PRIDE foundation; Personal Responsibility in a Desirable Environment (PRIDE); Volunteering

Subjects: Communities; Community development.; Environmentalism; Nonprofit organizations; United States. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration; Voluntarism; Volunteers

00:37:18 - Dealing with criticism and doubt

Play segment

Partial Transcript: Uh, I guess another question just occurred to me was, um, the stream cleanups.

Segment Synopsis: Ishmael discusses a difficult organization he dealt with that wasn't happy with their choice of septic system. Ishmael also discusses how he dealt with people who questioned how he would know water quality had improved.

Keywords: Peat systems; Personal Responsibility in a Desirable Environment (PRIDE); Stream cleanups; Streams; Swedish toilets; Waste treatment

Subjects: Environmental protection; Environmentalism; Peat; Plumbing.; Refuse and refuse disposal.; Septic tanks; Sewerage.; Wastewater treatment and reuse; Water quality.

00:41:54 - Cawood Ledford

Play segment

Partial Transcript: Cawood Ledford was the voice of the University of Kentucky basketball. Have you ever heard of him?

Segment Synopsis: Ishmael discusses meeting Kentucky basketball personality Cawood Ledford. Ishmael discusses Ledford's contribution to PRIDE.

Keywords: Cawood (Ky.); Cawood Ledford; Creek cleanups; John Michael Montgomery; Ledford, Cawood; Personal Responsibility in a Desirable Environment (PRIDE); Spokespeople; WYMT

Subjects: Environmentalism; Montgomery, John Michael

00:45:30 - Completing dump cleanups

Play segment

Partial Transcript: Okay we're on, we're on disk two with Darrell Ishmael.

Segment Synopsis: Ishmael and Johnson discuss the possibility of dump cleanups being completed soon.

Keywords: Dump cleanups; Dumps; Illegal dumps; Personal Responsibility in a Desirable Environment (PRIDE)

Subjects: Environmentalism; Refuse and refuse disposal; Waste disposal sites

00:46:29 - Eliminating straight pipes

Play segment

Partial Transcript: We, uh--well I was talking about the, the, the dump cleanups.

Segment Synopsis: Ishmael discusses the revolving loan program for septic systems and its unexpectedly high payback rates. Ishmael also discusses the various funding sources for wastewater projects.

Keywords: Personal Responsibility in a Desirable Environment (PRIDE); Revolving loan funds; Revolving loan programs; Revolving loans; Sewer line expansions; Straight pipes; Wastewater

Subjects: Grants and funding; Plumbing.; Refuse and refuse disposal.; Septic tanks; Sewerage.; Wastewater treatment and reuse

00:52:54 - PRIDE education program

Play segment

Partial Transcript: The education component is interesting.

Segment Synopsis: Ishmael discusses why the educational component of PRIDE was originally controversial.

Keywords: PRIDE clubs; Personal Responsibility in a Desirable Environment (PRIDE)

Subjects: Education; Environmental education; Environmental protection; Environmentalism

00:55:11 - Surveillance camera footage / a worldwide problem

Play segment

Partial Transcript: You know, obviously the, you know, the, the adults were lost causes, uh, in terms of getting them to, to quit going to illegal dumps, basically.

Segment Synopsis: Ishmael discusses how difficult it is to get adults to stop going to illegal dumps. Ishmael talks about some interesting things he's seen on surveillance cameras. Ishmael also discusses speaking to a group in Seattle and having to tell the group that pollution happens outside of Eastern Kentucky.

Keywords: Adults; Dumps; Eastern Kentucky; Hills; Illegal dumps; Surveillance cameras; Utilities; Utility regulators

Subjects: Electronic surveillance; Pollution.; Refuse and refuse disposal; Roads; Stereotypes (Social psychology); Waste disposal sites

01:00:01 - Getting trash out of rivers

Play segment

Partial Transcript: Well I, you know, one of my first meetings they had when they were talking about hiring me, I said, well can we take my report and some other stuff and come up with a nice, big, four colored, glossy, urban institute-type of report...

Segment Synopsis: Johnson discusses his idea for a report to be handed out to congresspeople. Ishmael discusses the trash gate on the Cumberland River. Ishmael also discusses trash skimmer boats.

Keywords: Cumberland Falls (Ky.); Fish Trap Lake (Ky.); Personal Responsibility in a Desirable Environment (PRIDE); Reports; Trash gates; Trash skimmer boats

Subjects: Boats and boating; Cumberland River (Ky. and Tenn.); Environmental protection; Environmentalism; Pollution.; Refuse and refuse disposal.; Urban Institute; Water--Pollution.; Williamsburg (Ky.)

01:04:15 - Disposal of tires

Play segment

Partial Transcript: I'll tell you, there's another thing that, that came to mind here and I made a note to myself while we were talking.

Segment Synopsis: Ishmael discusses the difficulties that come with trying to dispose of tires. Ishmael also discusses East Kentucky Power's plan to begin using tires as fuel.

Keywords: Dumps; Landfills; Personal Responsibility in a Desirable Environment (PRIDE); Tire-derived fuel; Waste management

Subjects: East Kentucky Power Cooperative; Environmental protection; Environmentalism; Jackson County (Ky.); Power-plants; Refuse and refuse disposal.; Tires

01:11:24 - Household appliances

Play segment

Partial Transcript: And what I've run into, too, is that the appliances don't seem to be getting any less.

Segment Synopsis: Ishmael and Johnson discuss the abundance of discarded household appliances that remain and the issue of people hoarding those appliances.

Keywords: Household appliance buybacks; Landfills; Personal Responsibility in a Desirable Environment (PRIDE); White goods; White goods buybacks

Subjects: Discarded household appliances; Household appliances; Refuse and refuse disposal

01:13:42 - PRIDE program and staff

Play segment

Partial Transcript: Now is there anything I'm missing about what you did at PRIDE that--

Segment Synopsis: Ishmael talks about how good the PRIDE program and staff are.

Keywords: Carol Cox; Cox, Carol; Personal Responsibility in a Desirable Environment (PRIDE)

Subjects: Center for Rural Development; Environmental protection; Environmentalism; Grants and funding; Staff

01:16:02 - Community and business development

Play segment

Partial Transcript: The, uh--but you know, this, this whole PRIDE--I now work, uh, at here on behalf of, uh, economic development statewide.

Segment Synopsis: Ishmael discusses his job as Community and Business Development Manager. Ishmael also discusses his ideas for increasing the presence of the arts in Eastern Kentucky.

Keywords: Arts incubators; Community and business development; Jobs; Quilt trails

Subjects: Arts; Careers; Culture; Economic development; Employment--Kentucky; Occupations; Tourism

01:22:16 - The bottle bill

Play segment

Partial Transcript: You know we had, uh, we have had attempts to have a bottle bill here in the state to help prevent some of this stuff.

Segment Synopsis: Ishmael tells a story about name confusion leading to him being lobbied by various organizations that were against the bottle bill.

Keywords: Bottle bill; Confusion; Personal Responsibility in a Desirable Environment (PRIDE); Politics

Subjects: Beverage containers--Recycling--Law and legislation; Environmentalism; Lobbyists; Names; Recycling (Waste, etc.); Refuse and refuse disposal.