Interview with Alice Chandler, March 22, 2007

SMITH: This is Kim Lady Smith, and it is March 22, 2007 and I'm at the home of Alice Chandler conducting a second interview for the Horse Industry in Kentucky Oral History Project at U.K. Okay, I think we're all right to get started. Uh, there were some things in our last interview that I wanted to kind of go back and fill in some of the gaps and one of it was Duval Headley and what do, I know that he learned basically from your father how to work with horses?

CHANDLER: Yeah, he did, my father's brother was in the lumber business and uh, he had, let me see, one, two, I think it was four sons. And Duval was his second and I think daddy said okay you send George to do 00:01:00what you do and so and so to do what he wants to do and I'm going to take Duval and make a trainer out of him.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: And he did and Duvie was a good trainer, I mean he trained a lot of good horses for daddy.

SMITH: Now, he was on the farm I think when you would have been a child, right?

CHANDLER: But he wasn't on this farm.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: Uh, they grew up and owned what is the Headley-Whitney Museum house that was his father's farm. Over there and that's where, that's where all those children, all those boys grew up.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: Over there.

SMITH: Okay, so your father trained him in the horse business basically and but his passion was to be a trainer?

CHANDLER: I presume so because I mean you couldn't work for daddy unless you were passionate about it.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: (laughs) And I don't, I don't remember exactly where Duval went to school, I'm not sure he ever went to college, I don't know, but he trained, he, he, I mean daddy, Menow came along, I think he was a foal of 1935 and Duval I think got involved with daddy about, at about that time.

SMITH: So Duval trained Menow?

CHANDLER: Daddy trained Menow but Duval was down as trainer.

SMITH: Oh, okay.

CHANDLER: I mean, daddy, daddy was the one that, that used to talk to every trainer he had at night by phone if he couldn't get off the farm, if they were in Chicago or somewhere like that, he always, he laid out 00:03:00the work plans for the horses the next morning.

SMITH: Oh, why would he not have been listed as the trainer? Did he not have?

CHANDLER: Because, because, uh, he couldn't always get to where the horse was running.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: I mean, he, he couldn't every time a horse ran, he couldn't go.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: But he kept it in, in, in phone contact with them.

SMITH: Did he have to have a trainer's license at that time?

CHANDLER: Did he?

SMITH: Uh-huh.

CHANDLER: No.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: Unless you are going to saddle a horse you don't have to do that.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: And he didn't, he wasn't going to saddle a horse but he sure kept in touch with what was going on.

SMITH: He got them ready?

CHANDLER: Um huh.

SMITH: Uh, now, Duval had a long career as a trainer and then became a breeder if I read properly, associated with Keeneland, involved there, when you got the farm in 62 was he someone who helped you, not really?

CHANDLER: No. No. I never really saw that much of him, I mean I admired him, I thought, I mean he did a tremendous job but uh, I just, he wasn't one of the people that, you know, just for whatever reason, uh, he had his own farm and his own life and

SMITH: Okay. When I was leaving the other day we went through and looked at some of your pictures and uh, you were telling me a story about going to the Derby to watch Menow, can you tell me about that experience?

CHANDLER: Well, daddy was a nervous wreck and daddy never showed any nervousness but this horse was a champion two year old of his year and when we started to Louisville to go to the Derby to see Menow run, they 00:05:00said, now I don't remember whether it was they or daddy that said but we're not going to talk, nobody is going to say a word, until after the race is over. Well he was a wreck, I mean I didn't know he was a wreck because I couldn't, I was too young to figure that out, let's see how old was I? Eleven. But uh, that was what we that was the rule and when you look at that picture we're a pretty grim looking (laughs) grim looking people.

SMITH: That's true, no one was smiling.

CHANDLER: (laughs) Nobody is smiling. Anyway, he was the horse that ran on the lead, he broke well, he got the lead going a mile and a quarter, I mean, everybody's concern was will he go a mile and a quarter and 00:06:00um, daddy had cut, superstitious man, he had cut the foretop out of my son's hair, the, up here, the bangs, his, Prices' bangs.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: Price, Price was just, Price was born in November of 37, this race was in May of 38.

SMITH: Okay, your brother's bangs?

CHANDLER: My brother's bangs and he braided them up and braided them in Menow's foretop.

SMITH: Oh my.

CHANDLER: Up here in his foretop. (coughs) And after the race was over, 00:07:00Menow ran fourth, he ran a good race until he got to the quarter pole and he was a miler and he couldn't go the other quarter, I mean he, he just got tired, but when he came back, my brother's hair was out of his foretop and so daddy waited until everything was quiet on Churchill Downs until everybody had gone home and it was almost dark and he got all of the barn crew and sent them out to look for his son's hair. Guess where they found it?

SMITH: Where?

CHANDLER: At the quarter pole, where he lost the lead, it was lying right there at the head of the stretch, at the quarter pole where he lost the lead.

SMITH: Oh, so did your dad believe?

CHANDLER: They picked it up and I don't know what he did with it or, or 00:08:00I'm sure he preserved it.

SMITH: Uh-huh, so do you think he really thought it made a difference?

CHANDLER: I, I think he did or he wouldn't have done what he did if he hadn't. (both laugh)

CHANDLER: He wouldn't have kept all those men around to go and send them out to look.

SMITH: That's right.

CHANDLER: I don't know.

SMITH: Uh, well it was that your first Derby?

CHANDLER: Yeah.

SMITH: What did you think of it?

CHANDLER: Well, uh it was pretty tough because we couldn't talk. (laughs)

SMITH: You couldn't talk until the race was run?

CHANDLER: Until the race was over.

SMITH: Oh, how hard.

CHANDLER: Yeah, a long day, long day.

SMITH: What about the ride back home?

CHANDLER: I don't remember anything about it much, I remember going down, we had a lunch in, what's the name of that park? It's a park on the way to Louisville where everybody goes and has a picnic.

SMITH: Cherokee?

CHANDLER: Cherokee Park, exactly, picnic lunch, Cherokee Park. And uh, never said a word.

SMITH: So how disappointing was it for you as an eleven year old? I mean, what did you feel when he lost?

CHANDLER: Well, I felt bad for daddy, I felt, I mean I just hate, I hate to lose and this horse turned out to be the sire of Tom Fool who was one of the great, great horses that ever was in this country. So, you know, he, he was not, and he was out of a mare named Alcibiades who was daddy's foundation mare who won the Kentucky Oaks when she was a three year old and daddy thought so much about her he ran her in the Derby as a filly and you know, fillies don't run in the Derby very often. So, uh, but huh, it was disappointing, he, he, you know it was hard for him to lose.

SMITH: Now you told me that he ran in the Derby thirteen times, do you remember going to any of the other races? That was the only one?

CHANDLER: Uh-huh, yeah, there's a lot that started back in the 20's before I was even born.

SMITH: Okay and then you were off to school so.

CHANDLER: Yeah I was.

SMITH: Um, so that's really probably one of the few races you remember going to with your dad or what about Keeneland though? Did you go to a lot of races there?

CHANDLER: Oh yeah, and I mean that was, that was easy to do though because it was so close and yeah, did a lot of that of course until I had to go away to school and then couldn't do it.

SMITH: Do you remember any particular races at Keeneland where your dad was successful?

CHANDLER: (laughs) Uh, not really, I mean I, I remember the, the photograph out in the hall with Palcal(??) and uh, but the other thing 00:11:00that we did at Keeneland was, we uh, when, I may have told you this but the thing that started the sales here, did I tell you that?

SMITH: About your dad getting them started?

CHANDLER: Well, yeah, he got them started but the reason they got started were because the, was because there was no gas.

SMITH: Right.

CHANDLER: And huh, we couldn't get to Saratoga so that's what got them started here.

SMITH: You also told me that your dad really didn't get into selling horses; he didn't do that very often.

CHANDLER: He didn't. Unh-huh, he raced.

SMITH: That's right.

CHANDLER: That was his passion, he loved to race.

SMITH: Now, uh.

CHANDLER: He also bet I heard and I never knew that he bet (laughs).

SMITH: Yes, I read that, uh, the, I'm not going to get this right but in Ed Bowen's book that he built his house on money he won in a race.

CHANDLER: Uh.

SMITH: Do you remember that story?

CHANDLER: Yeah and that was at Saratoga wasn't it? Didn't it?

SMITH: Yeah, I think so, I think so.

CHANDLER: But see I never knew as a child that he bet.

SMITH: He just didn't talk about that with you?

CHANDLER: No, I mean he was so involved with getting a horse right and being sure that it was healthy and training it right that I never thought that aside from the purse money that there was anything else going on never occurred to me (coughs).

SMITH: But you learned differently later?

CHANDLER: Yes I did (laughs).

SMITH: Uh, one, I know you had the pony, Pal and then you told me that you were involved in the hunter jumper world, how did you learn to do that, was there, did your dad teach you?

CHANDLER: Taught myself,

SMITH: Oh, okay.

CHANDLER: we built when I was six; I told you that, that where the house 00:13:00where I grew up in was, was now Sullivan College.

SMITH: Right.

CHANDLER: Well, beyond the yard there, it was a ten acre yard, beyond the yard, on the Harrodsburg Road and there was no traffic on Harrodsburg Road then, that's where the stallion paddocks were beyond the house and uh, we put up three jumps there when I was six years old, in the yard next to the rock fence which bordered the start of the stallion paddocks and that's how I learned to jump and I learned to jump on Pal.

SMITH: Oh, okay, okay did you show with Pal? Did you?

CHANDLER: No, I didn't, I didn't show with Pal because I guess I went 00:14:00away to school before, before I could, could show.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: I think I never really showed until I was about fifteen.

SMITH: Okay, then you just did it for a short time is that correct?

CHANDLER: Uh-huh.

SMITH: Okay, then, jumping sounds kind of dangerous to me, did you ever have any problems?

CHANDLER: Unh --uh.

SMITH: No?

CHANDLER: No. Um, that picture that you saw, that's in Mary's room, down there.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: Uh, in, in the, I don't know where it is but it, that was at the Junior League Horse Show.

SMITH: Okay, the Lexington?

CHANDLER: The Lexington Junior League Horse Show.

SMITH: That seems to be a pretty important horse show in this area.

CHANDLER: You know, it was back even, back when I was fifteen, yeah, it was, it was good fun.

SMITH: Was, uh, being involved with hunters and jumpers which is a world I need to learn a little more about, uh, was that common for young 00:15:00women?

CHANDLER: Uh, the Iroquois Hunt, you ever heard of that?

SMITH: Uh-huh.

CHANDLER: All right, well the Iroquois Hunt is something that a lot of people do in the winter time but it's a different, I mean it's a different group of people, it's a different social group of people, uh, most of them are not involved in the race horse business.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: Uh, but, but I, I hunted down there a couple of winters, um, when I was probably 18 or 19.

SMITH: Did you enjoy it?

CHANDLER: I did, oh yeah; it's just awful hard getting down there for, if the weather is bad.

SMITH: Yeah.

CHANDLER: It's pretty hilly down there in Clark County.

SMITH: (laughs) Okay, okay, uh, you also, I read that you started the, I'll say this again, the first horse that you owned, uh, you were about 00:16:0018 when you got the horse? Now tell me about that horse.

CHANDLER: Well she was a full sister to Menow and she was crooked, her legs.

SMITH: What was her name?

CHANDLER: Hipparete and daddy gave her to me because he didn't think she would ever race and Louie Beard who I think I told you about was daddy's you know, buddy and partner in the building of Keeneland, he bet me ten dollars, which was a lot of money in those days, he looked at her and he didn't think she would ever win a race and she won four, so he had to pay me back.

SMITH: So you owned her, did you race her?

CHANDLER: I owned her, I raced her, and I breed her and she threw some good race horses.

SMITH: Who trained her?

CHANDLER: You know I don't remember.

SMITH: But someone on the farm?

CHANDLER: I don't know, I'll have to look that up, that's silly but I don't remember who, who trained her. Now I did train Nicosia. Uh, and, we'll talk about that when you want to.

SMITH: When, so that was the first horse that you owned, now did you, and you were eighteen at the time so you were married and got married in there somewhere.

CHANDLER: Somewhere in there (laughs).

SMITH: So, did but I think from what I've read that you've owned other horses even while you were married and in Florida or in Texas.

CHANDLER: Well dad, yeah, I, I, uh, but I don't really, I hate to be this blank with you but I don't, I don't remember who they were, I'm sure it was her, one of them.

SMITH: I guess what I'm getting at is that you kept a hand with horses 00:18:00even through you were no longer in Kentucky.

CHANDLER: Oh yeah, oh yeah, you bet and I told you that the happiest day of my life is when he called up and said don't you think you ought to think about coming home, and he only lived two years after that.

SMITH: Yeah, yeah.

CHANDLER: So he knew.

SMITH: Yeah he was ready for you to come home. Now when you, you were telling me that when you came home after (coughs) excuse me, in 1948 after you were divorced you lived on the farm.

CHANDLER: Right.

SMITH: For a couple of years, now how did you meet your second husband?

CHANDLER: Sigh.

SMITH: You said his brother was John Bell so he was it ought to be a horse relationship.

CHANDLER: Yeah, yeah, I mean he, his brother was John Bell and his 00:19:00younger brother and uh, that's why I went to Texas we were married about in, we were married in 50.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: And um, he, his father was Southwest Supply Company and I had two children by my first husband which I adopted.

SMITH: Okay, he adopted them.

CHANDLER: Yeah, and right, and we went to Texas, we were married July 1950, we went to Texas after our honeymoon which was in Saratoga and we went down there and bought a house on Memorial Drive and lived there for, uh, went down there in July of 50 came back in May of 59.

SMITH: Okay, when you came back you came back to the same house you had lived in before? Only this time with four children?

CHANDLER: That's right (laughs), there you go, there you go. That's right. And at that point daddy had just given the Lexington School the, enough land to build a school on and it was on part of Beaumont Farm and the first year that it opened was September 59 and my son Mike was the first president of the school.

SMITH: Well, Ms. Abercrombie was talking about the Lexington School and she was one of the founders.

CHANDLER: He father financed the building of it, yes; between the two of 00:21:00them they were responsible for the whole thing pretty much.

SMITH: From what I understand it, it was and remains an excellent school.

CHANDLER: It, it does, it is, it's good.

SMITH: So you never felt, since you had that school here, you were never compelled to send your children away to school?

CHANDLER: Uh, no, no, I didn't, I didn't. Even though that school only went through the eighth grade at that time, there was Sayre and you know but I did send them to Woodberry Forest, I did send them away to school.

SMITH: When was that then?

CHANDLER: When?

SMITH: Yeah, when, that was high school?

CHANDLER: Yeah.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: That was because there was no, no high school at the Lexington School, so all three, all three of the, all three of the boys went to Woodberry in Virginia.

SMITH: Okay, what about Patricia?

CHANDLER: You know, I'm trying to remember where she went and it's, it's in Indiana or some place and I can't remember, I can't remember the name of it.

SMITH: Okay and there was one question just going back to your first marriage, the school you were at in Connecticut was an all girl school I assume?

CHANDLER: Oh yeah.

SMITH: So how did you meet your first husband?

CHANDLER: I knew him before I went.

SMITH: Okay was he from?

CHANDLER: Here, yeah, he was from here, huh, I think his parents lived in Pine Grove down the road.

SMITH: So, when you moved to Florida it was because he was stationed there or, in the military? Okay.

CHANDLER: During the war, Sanford Florida.

SMITH: That must have been rather difficult, very different from here.

CHANDLER: Oh, it was, it was, I mean crazy and everybody thought that war was eminent and I think that is why we got married at the age of 00:23:00eighteen.

SMITH: So he was away, during those first years in the service?

CHANDLER: Uh, I was away at school at Ethel Walkers in Connecticut, I was a senior and I went down to see him on spring break and we got married.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: And huh, I told you the story about Ethel Walker Smith.

SMITH: That's right, right.

CHANDLER: That was how that happened.

SMITH: Okay, okay. Another thing that we just touched on in the last interview and then in the article that I read in Blood Horse you talked a lot about your father's love for the land and his concern about development.

CHANDLER: And it's my concern, it's a huge concern, I mean in my life 00:24:00I've got two concerns and development is, is one thing and drug use in the, in the race horse game is the other one. I'm going to push this chair back a little bit.

SMITH: Just be careful, watch your cord.

CHANDLER: Okay.

SMITH: Do you want me to do that?

CHANDLER: Maybe I'm not going to push it back. There it goes, it's stuck. [background noise]

SMITH: Got to get Millie organized again (laughs).

CHANDLER: Hey Mel, scoot.

SMITH: Now is that better?

CHANDLER: There you go, that's better. Where were we?

SMITH: Talking about your concerns as for development, in one interview that I read that you were very concerned when New Circle Road was built but your father wasn't as much did you have--?

CHANDLER: He knew, he knew it was coming and he died before it came.

SMITH: Oh, okay.

CHANDLER: But he, he knew it was coming and but I am concerned because the land is so good and that's what makes the horse industry, which is what we're famous for around here, is partly due to the quality of the land and it's critical that we preserve it. So the last conflict that we had was with Quest Church about two months ago and my sister has a piece of land up on Man O' War Boulevard and Quest Church bought it 00:26:00from her for a lot of money, 40,000 dollars an acre.

SMITH: Oh my.

CHANDLER: A million eight fifty or something like that and with the idea they were going to build a church on it and we had to fight.

SMITH: They bought this from your sister now did she know what they were going to do with it.

CHANDLER: Oh yeah, but she's not involved in the, what I am to the degree that I am, or if at all, her ex-husband used to be the farm manager at Greentree, Greentree Stud .

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: But its-- anyway.

SMITH: Well how do you find that balance between development and economic growth and preserving the land?

CHANDLER: Well if I had my way, I would keep all of the economic growth on the Man O' War side of, on the town side of Man O' War Boulevard because I think there's plenty of land there, I think that there are all of these tobacco warehouses sitting around downtown that need to be removed and the land used, I mean I think there's enough land for a long time to take care of the growth of, of Lexington.

SMITH: Have you had any pressure put on you to sale the land that you own?

CHANDLER: Not yet, they know better. (both laugh)

SMITH: Don't even try.

CHANDLER: And my kids feel the same way I do which is great.

SMITH: Grandchildren? Do you have grandchildren?

CHANDLER: Uh-huh, I have eight of them.

SMITH: Eight, my.

CHANDLER: And one great grandchild.

SMITH: Oh, so they're young adults?

CHANDLER: They are great kids, I mean I have been so blessed because I've got four super kids, I've got eight super grand kids and one little great grandchild, let's see. The grandchildren, um, my son Reynolds has three daughters, two of them live in Birmingham, one of them goes to uh, A & M, and Headley my second son, my last son has two sons and a daughter, one of, his youngest son is at University of Virginia and his daughter is graduating from um, Texas and his eldest 00:29:00son has a job and in, um, in Nashville.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: So, and then my daughter um, has a son that lives in Birmingham and works for Merck and has a daughter whose married and lives in, where does she live, Louisville.

SMITH: Now do they enjoy the horses?

CHANDLER: Uh, Jimmy's going to get married, her, my daughter, my 00:30:00daughter is the eldest one of my children, her son is going to get married in April and bring in 70 people up here to spend the day at Keeneland in the Kentucky Room.

SMITH: Oh that will be fun.

CHANDLER: Yeah, they do, I mean they don't get a chance to, to participate in them but they, their comfortable with them.

SMITH: Do, do you think any of them will end up working in the industry?

CHANDLER: Not, no, not, not, not those, yeah I think that, uh, my children are going to be very careful of what happens to the land after I'm gone, I mean they're not going to haul off and sale it or do something like that. If they get forced I mean if there is something that happens to this land they will swap it for some other land but 00:31:00not, not unless it's a desperate move.

SMITH: So they feel the same way about development as you do?

CHANDLER: Uh-huh, oh yeah, oh yeah.

SMITH: It's tough, I imagine it's difficult to go over the land where you grew up or, and.

CHANDLER: Beaumont Center, for instance yes, very difficult. But I mean we have a, an outfit called Save Our Irreplaceable Land, SOIL which we belong to, Darley, Sheikh Mohammed's people belong to, Jimmy Bell, John Bell's son belongs to, Don Robinson whose somebody you ought to talk to someday.

SMITH: He's on the list.

CHANDLER: Is he?

SMITH: Yes he is.

CHANDLER: He belongs to it and I mean all of us feel the same way, as I 00:32:00said there is two things that drive me, one is the land and one is the drug use in the industry.

SMITH: We'll get to that, I know you've been very involved with that and I've got a lot of questions regarding that, uh, but let's try to stay somewhat chronological here.

CHANDLER: I'm running around here.

SMITH: Oh no, that's okay we always do and that's fine, you know when we talk about one thing in your past, it's.

CHANDLER: It brings up something.

SMITH: It brings up something in the present and that's okay, that's fine, but, going back to Mill Ridge and you were 36 years old is that right, when your father passed away?

CHANDLER: Uh, 62, 26, 36, 46, 56, 56.

SMITH: Yeah, you were younger than that.

CHANDLER: 26 to 36 is ten, to 46 is twenty, to 56 is thirty, to 66 is 00:33:00forty.

SMITH: Okay so you 62 you were about 36 years old, okay, that's pretty young and your children were pretty young at that point still.

CHANDLER: They were.

SMITH: Yeah, we talked about you started the farm that you really didn't have a whole lot to start with, that you still had some building that you had to borrow some money from your mother to get the, one of the barns to get constructed, you had to, you hired the four of the men who had worked with your dad and so it was just them and you, right? And at that point you started bringing in boarders so that's a lot of work, that's a lot of work.

CHANDLER: It was, I mean, I think I say in that magazine that I'm so cold when lunch comes that you don't think about eating lunch, you just go up and get in the tub and sit there until you have to go back and 00:34:00that's what I did.

SMITH: So how would you describe the work that you did? I mean what did you?

CHANDLER: With a pitch fork, I shucked stalls, I teased the mares, stayed in the foaling barn at night, did it all I mean everything that a man could do, I did, the only thing I never did and we didn't have that many stallions but I never went into the breeding shed because that was one thing that daddy never said don't do it but he never encouraged me to go into the breeding shed.

SMITH: Why, why is that?

CHANDLER: I don't know, I don't know.

SMITH: Have you ever been in the breeding shed?

CHANDLER: It just so happens that there was a bathroom, that had a window and if you stood on the toilet you could look through the window and see what went on in the breeding shed.

SMITH: Oh so you did that?

CHANDLER: That's what I used to do (laughs), yep.

SMITH: You did that as a child?

CHANDLER: No, I did that as a grown up (laughs).

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: No the breeding shed as a child was over at Beaumont

SMITH: Oh, okay.

CHANDLER: and that was out in the open, I mean it was, it had no cover on it, the breeding shed at Beaumont.

SMITH: Oh, okay.

CHANDLER: So, but I never hung around there.

SMITH: So, now your children, at least, you had some that were, Mike would be probably been maybe, Mike was what, maybe fourteen? At that time, something, did they help you on the farm?

CHANDLER: Um, you know, I don't really remember, they, they all spent some time on the farm but I think it was probably in the summer time when they were not going to school, that's, that's when, you know.

SMITH: Because they had gone away to school by then, okay?

CHANDLER: They'd gone away to school. Yeah.

SMITH: I know, that you told me that Mike pretty much went directly into working with horses, did he, did any of your, did he work more with you than any of the others or was he?

CHANDLER: They all did.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: Pretty much, they, they all, they all spent their summers pretty much on the farm.

SMITH: Now what kind of work would they have done, everything, anything that needed?

CHANDLER: Uh-huh.

CHANDLER: Mostly, mucking stalls.

SMITH: (laughs) The dirty work so, yeah, let me turn this down just a little. Uh, now I know that you've personally been taking care of the horses, help with the foaling, did you have any particular philosophy about taking care of horses?

CHANDLER: Yeah, my philosophy about taking care of horses is I believe 00:37:00that you, I mean we've got a great vet and that, that's important because if you have a problem, you want, you want it covered but in taking care of horses and raising horses, the closer you keep them to nature the better they turn out, I mean, I am not one for stalling horses excessively, I believe in leaving them outdoors.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: Uh, I don't put them up at night, I mean, you know they, they go up in the morning and they stay in for a couple of hours and then they get turned out again.

SMITH: Now when you started, you felt like you had to sale a lot of your horses in order to build the farm.

CHANDLER: The first one I sold, let's see, the first one I sold was a 00:38:00colt in 1949 before daddy died, that was the first horse I ever sold.

SMITH: Oh, okay.

CHANDLER: And huh, I did and I especially sold colts.

SMITH: Okay, okay and kept the fillies?

CHANDLER: Uh-huh, if I could.

SMITH: Um, what did you do with the horses that you couldn't sale but weren't really good for racing?

CHANDLER: Sold them anyway.

SMITH: Okay (laughs).

CHANDLER: I didn't have that many, I didn't, I only had four mares when he died.

SMITH: Okay, it, uh what about your dad, did he, what did he do with the horses that really weren't good for racing? He, just, he just keep them or?

CHANDLER: He got them claimed from him probably.

SMITH: Oh, okay, okay, okay I was reading a story where you had a horse that was blind? That you raised? Tell me about that.

CHANDLER: Her name was Begum and she turned out to be, well we kept her in a paddock behind the barn that my mother helped me finish and she stayed out most of the time and we bred her and we bred her to Diesis because he lived across the fence from her and we really didn't feel comfortable trying to ship her because she was totally blind and we took the foal from her when she had it and put it on a nurse, nurse mare because we didn't, when she'd get to running around and all that 00:40:00and she had some pretty nice foals.

SMITH: So, despite how difficult it might have been to work with a horse that was blind,

CHANDLER: It was worth it.

SMITH: It was worth it.

CHANDLER: It was worth it, she lived her, a good life and huh, she had some decent horses.

SMITH: What other kinds of medical problems did you have with, with horses as Mill Ridge was developing, did you; I know you said good veterinarian care was very important.

CHANDLER: Uh, yeah, Ed Fallon who was, Harold Fallon was my father's farm manager, and Ed turned out to be a vet and he was my vet. And he 00:41:00was my vet for many, many, many years and then Haggard-Davidson-McGee, which was his vet firm, was you know, were the one that I used and we have a vet now, Ed's retired, we have a vet named Stewart Brown, who is Haggard-Davidson-McGee and I've got 170 mares on the farm and you know when you get to the breeding season and foaling season, especially, it's, it's critical, and Stewart's here every day, and he palpates the mares to determine, you know when they need to be bred, when they are getting ready to ovulate and all that and uh, it's nice that my husband is a vet, as well because at night if we have a problem in the foaling barn, he's on call, so.

SMITH: Are problems common?

CHANDLER: No.

SMITH: Okay, (laughs).

CHANDLER: No.

SMITH: I can, I can understand that's not something you would want. Something else you said last interview was that it was important to you to have clients that you knew well, in case there were problems, had you ever had an experience where that didn't go so well?

CHANDLER: No, but you, I haven't, I mean, I have not but it's, the idea of having to make that phone call when something really, really goes wrong and if you know somebody and you're comfortable with them, selfishly for your point of view, it's a whole lot easier than calling somebody that you don't know well or who doesn't really understand, you know how this could happen.

SMITH: Uh-huh, now, you've probably had a lot of clients over the 00:43:00years, were there any clients that you really wish you didn't have? (laughs) You don't have to even to tell me their names, but if you'd had problems.

CHANDLER: Just one.

SMITH: Just one?

CHANDLER: Just the one.

SMITH: Well, that's lucky.

CHANDLER: Very lucky, very lucky.

SMITH: Yeah.

CHANDLER: No, I've been, I've been blessed, I mean, I've got some great people, great people, good people, I mean for instance, Jerry Moss won the Derby with Giacomo two years ago and we raised him and, you know, they've got mares with us.

SMITH: Did I read that you have mares with, from the Queen? That you raised her horses?

CHANDLER: Once.

SMITH: Just once?

CHANDLER: I don't do, I don't now, but I did for a couple of years, I think she was here in 1991 the last time she was here that, that I was aware of, publicly and I think, I don't it was in the 90's, I think 00:44:00maybe that we got a few for her.

SMITH: Who have been some of your, your other clients over the years?

CHANDLER: Oh gosh, I'll have to go get my list.

SMITH: (laughs) It's a long list.

CHANDLER: Yeah, get my list.

SMITH: Okay (laughs) well I've read about some of them and in some of the articles and it's an impressive list.

CHANDLER: Its' a nice, it's a good bunch of people.

SMITH: So, about how many clients would you have at one time? Now.

CHANDLER: I'll have to count.

SMITH: Okay (laughs).

CHANDLER: Oh, I don't know.

SMITH: Just a guess.

CHANDLER: Probably 20, something like that, but I mean the Jackson's that owned Barbaro, they've got 22 mares here.

SMITH: Oh, okay.

CHANDLER: And uh, it uh, the Moss', the Wygods, Marty Wygod and Pam his wife and huh, those are the main numbered ones.

SMITH: Now I know you have a very excellent reputation, uh.

CHANDLER: I hope so.

SMITH: (laughs) How did that develop, what do you think when you started Mill Ridge you were really struggling on your own and I know you had Sir Ivor who had success and I'm sure that, that helped put your name out there, but how did you market yourself to get to, uh?

CHANDLER: I think Sir Ivor probably helped a huge amount, I mean, I have always felt that Sir Ivor was responsible for the Keeneland Sales. Uh, he was one of the things that helped the Keeneland Sales get started, and, and, and got the notoriety that they got.

SMITH: And it helped you as well?

CHANDLER: Oh yeah, I mean yeah, that was huge, it did.

SMITH: So now that was what 64? When you sold him?

CHANDLER: He was, he was a foal, I sold him in 6, in wait a minute now, 00:46:00he was a foal in 65, uh 65, he ran the Derby in 68 and I sold him in Keeneland in 66.

SMITH: So, in that, in that period of the 1960's when did you feel like, okay this is going to work, I'm going make this work. When did you start to feel comfortable?

CHANDLER: I don't remember.(both laugh) People were good about sending me horses, I mean, Bull Hancock sent me uh, Michael Phipp's yearlings, and you know, I mean people, friends helped a lot and that's, that's kind of where we got started.

SMITH: So you never really worried that you weren't going to make it?

CHANDLER: Didn't have time to worry, I wasn't going to make it. (both laugh) I'm sure I did, I'm sure I did but uh, not bad enough to stop.

SMITH: Now, I think you said last time that you started in the 60's going over to Europe more, as part of your work.

CHANDLER: First time I ever went to Europe was to see Sir Ivor run in the Derby, that was in 68 and then when I married John Chandler, he'd been all around the world, knew a lot of people and then, you know, we, we were able to travel some.

SMITH: Tell me how you met Mr. Chandler?

CHANDLER: Uh, he came over here from New Market in England and he was riding around with Ed Fallon.

SMITH: Oh, okay.

CHANDLER: You know, looking at the vet situation over here, I'm going to 00:48:00go to the bathroom right quick.

SMITH: Let me, let me pause this. Alright, I think we back on. Let's see, you were telling me about meeting Mr. Chandler.

CHANDLER: Uh, he was riding with Doctor Fallon and uh, let's see what year was this? I guess he got over here in about 1968, 67, 68.

SMITH: Now he's from South Africa?

CHANDLER: He is from South Africa and uh, I remember when I went to England to see Sir Ivor run in the Derby, I just remember waving 00:49:00goodbye to him when he was, you know with Ed, Ed Fallon and uh, I don't know, it was just a, I, it was one of those things and we were married in 1972.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: Um, and it was a bit of a shock because he's a good deal younger than I am.

SMITH: Oh okay.

CHANDLER: He is a foal of 1960 and uh, is that right? No.

SMITH: No.

CHANDLER: 1940, he's 60, 67, 66, yeah.

SMITH: Yeah, that's not a whole lot.

CHANDLER: That's not a whole lot. But huh.

SMITH: Now, was he living in the states by that time?

CHANDLER: Um-huh, he was living over at, on Beaumont, down below the 00:50:00Lexington School in, in one of those apartment buildings. Millie? (laughs)

SMITH: It's okay (laughs) hey sweetie (laughs).

CHANDLER: Millie, hey (laughs).

SMITH: Come on back down, that's it.

CHANDLER: And uh, I went to South Africa, and uh met his mother and then we got married and uh, we were married in January and uh, I came home in September.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: He and I came home in September of that year.

SMITH: Now, uh, I know that he is a vet, uh does he, is he a practicing veterinarian?

CHANDLER: No, he is the President of Juddmonte, Khalid Abdullah's farm 00:51:00out on the, Winchester Road.

SMITH: Okay, I don't, I'm going to show my ignorance again, what does it mean to be a president?

CHANDLER: Uh, I don't know what he does (laughs) I mean, I don't know what the technicalities are.

SMITH: Okay, okay, I mean I know what a farm manager does and you know that kind of thing.

CHANDLER: I mean I know he goes out twice a week and signs the checks and talks to Prince Khalid on the phone and.

SMITH: So, he's in charge of the business?

CHANDLER: Yeah.

SMITH: Okay, is he involved with the horses at all? Or just the business end?

CHANDLER: No, I mean, it's uh, when Khalid comes here, I mean you know they go out and, now, he goes out there twice a week, I don't know really what he does.

SMITH: Okay, I'll have to ask him then. Okay, uh now when you were first married and he came to the farm was, did he help you with the farm?

CHANDLER: Um.

SMITH: In any kind of official way?

CHANDLER: You know, I don't, I don't, I don't think so, I mean he, he's never been, he's, he's always, it's good to have him because at night if we've got a problem in the foaling barn, something like that but he never worked with Dr. Fallon on the farm, I mean after we were married, he never, he never, no, he never played vet after we were married.

SMITH: Okay, okay, well by then Mill Ridge was a pretty established business?

CHANDLER: That's right, it was, it was.

SMITH: I think I read that uh, your son Reynolds, that he came and helped out on the farm for awhile?

CHANDLER: Reynolds came in 1975 and was here for 15 years.

SMITH: Oh and what was his, did he?

CHANDLER: He was farm manager.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: Uh, the first farm manager I had was a young man named Bill Shorter, who came to work here two years after we, after daddy died, I finally realized that as it says in that article, will you take that home?

SMITH: Yes I will thank you.

CHANDLER: That I needed a farm manager and I hired Bill Shorter and he was here for until Reynolds came.

SMITH: Now how did it help you to have a farm manager? What did it mean in terms of your work?

CHANDLER: Well as I said, in the winter time there was no lunch, I'd come get in the bath tub to try to get warm, I mean, it helped a lot because I didn't, I stopped doing some of the hands on stuff, you know the teasing and, and, and, I didn't worry about the foaling barn, now 00:54:00John is there in case there is a problem in the foaling barn and that still continues.

SMITH: That's good, that's good.

CHANDLER: Yeah, if we have trouble with a mare or something like that, you know foaling he's, he's there on call.

SMITH: Uh-huh, in those early years, did you take care of the books? Did you?

CHANDLER: Huh-uh, I never did any of that.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: Never did that.

SMITH: Alright, didn't like that huh?

CHANDLER: No, didn't like that, didn't like that, never been, never cared about arithmetic.

SMITH: (laughs) Okay, neither do I, I understand, I understand.

CHANDLER: Some of these people that are still here, Duncan McDonald, uh was thirteen years old when John worked for his father in New Market.

SMITH: Oh okay.

CHANDLER: And uh, he came over here in 1978 and he is the broodmare 00:55:00manager.

SMITH: Oh he's been there that long?

CHANDLER: Uh-huh, he lives in that little house, house down here. Donnie Snellings, came to work about 1980, or somewhere in that area. Mean we've got, Kim, what makes us able to keep up with the big boys, I mean, it's not the, it's not the money that we've got, I mean I can't play games, I can't, I can't compete with Bill, Will Farish and those people but what makes us able to compete with them and raise the kind of horses that competes with them is the land and the people, those two things.

SMITH: Makes the difference.

CHANDLER: Uh-huh, tremendous difference.

SMITH: Yeah, uh, and you've got people who have been with you a long 00:56:00time, that's.

CHANDLER: Yeah.

SMITH: At some point, I may want to interview some of them; you think that would be okay?

CHANDLER: Sure, sure, anything you want to do.

SMITH: Thanks (laughs).

CHANDLER: Anything you want to do

SMITH: Well are you interested in getting a history of Mill Ridge, so you talking to some of them will give us their perspectives?

CHANDLER: Well they've been, I mean, with me, several of them, they have been here a long time and you talk, you're welcome to talk to any of them.

SMITH: Oh thank you, thank you. Now, I read something also that at some point in your career you worked as a trainer, when was that? And why?

CHANDLER: It's hazy and that's so stupid, it tells you where my mind is going but we ended up with a filly named Nicosia and I have a good 00:57:00friend who came from St. Louis and moved here named Audrey Otto, Tolie Otto, and uh she lives out on Old Paris Pike. Anyway, uh she's been very supportive, is about, you know, she owns some mares on the farm and, and that, but anyway uh, Nicosia was out of a mare named Nicoma and tried to sell her, I don't know, I don't, but anyway I ended up, I ended up training her.

SMITH: I think I have some vague recollection from listening to part of the story; there was some issue with drugs with her?

CHANDLER: Um?

SMITH: Was there some issue with drugs in her?

CHANDLER: Huh-uh.

SMITH: Okay, I got that wrong.

CHANDLER: No.

SMITH: So you decided, and that would have been the first horse you trained?

CHANDLER: Yeah.

SMITH: Seriously?

CHANDLER: Yeah, yeah and uh, we ended up taking her to Chicago in the summer of 72, was it 72? I think it was and this was before they started grading the stakes, you know but both of these, she won two $100,000 stakes and it was the first, first $100,000 stake that a woman had ever trained the winner of and it was fun, I mean it was at Arlington Park and Dick Duchossois and I are friends and he's still there and uh, Headley was the groom, he was 19 years old, he was her 00:59:00groom and uh, Mike came up for the two stakes and we got a little apartment in there for the summer and it was fun.

SMITH: You just did, did it that one time?

CHANDLER: Uh-huh.

SMITH: She's the only one you trained?

CHANDLER: Yeah, it was, it, it, it, it is, I mean, it is something that if you do that, you don't do anything else, I mean, it, you can't, I just couldn't leave the farm and do that on a permanent basis and I didn't want really want to.

SMITH: How did it feel to have a horse you trained win a race?

CHANDLER: It was pretty much fun. (laughs) Lots of fun and then later we raced and uh, owned Keeper Hill.

SMITH: Yes, I was wondering about her.

CHANDLER: She's up there on the, on the wall.

SMITH: So you owned her and?

CHANDLER: Yeah.

SMITH: Now did you train her or just your son?

CHANDLER: No, no, no, uh Bobby Frankel trained her, Shug McGaughey who trains, Shug McGaughey and my husband and Ms. Otto and I all four owned her and Bobby Frankel trained her.

SMITH: And she was here?

CHANDLER: Uh, she's here now, yeah, yeah, she retired here.

SMITH: Now she won, let's see, the Kentucky Oaks? Is that right?

CHANDLER: She won the Spinster, the Oaks, a lot of good races.

SMITH: She one of your favorites?

CHANDLER: Yeah, she is all over the place. (laughs)

SMITH: Now has she been bred?

CHANDLER: No, she hasn't foaled yet.

SMITH: Okay, how old is she?

CHANDLER: Uh, I ought to know.

SMITH: It doesn't have to be exact.

CHANDLER: She's got to be about 14, I think, 15.

SMITH: Is that a little old to breed?

CHANDLER: Well, I tell you what, we, we when the E.V.A. came along, the Equine Viral Arteritis, we had that thing where it'd just back in the, in the late 90's, uh, for 3 years it just knocked us out of, out of the business, I mean.

SMITH: Is that the mare reproductive? Okay.

CHANDLER: Yeah, yeah, uh, that's what the university was so helpful with finally, but I mean, all these, everything was aborting.

SMITH: Yeah, I read that you had quite a bit of trouble with that.

CHANDLER: Yeah, everybody, the industry, the whole industry in Kentucky 01:02:00did, it was, it was bad.

SMITH: About how many did you lose? Do you know?

CHANDLER: You know, I just don't.

SMITH: Don't remember numbers?

CHANDLER: I don't, I don't know.

SMITH: But it was significant to you?

CHANDLER: Yes, it was significant.

SMITH: It must have been heartbreaking?

CHANDLER: It was really bad and it was happening to everybody and uh.

SMITH: But it's never, I mean, they've, have they finally settled on what caused it?

CHANDLER: Yeah, and I can't remember what they settled on.

SMITH: (laughs) Whether it was the woolly worms or the?

CHANDLER: Yeah, yeah I think it, that 's what they settled on.

SMITH: Okay and have you ever had any problems since?

CHANDLER: No, they, and, and somebody said that way back in early 90's there was a mild case of it one year and I don't remember, maybe 92 I don't remember that happening but this was devastating that year.

SMITH: Now that kind of takes us to the story of Giacomo because he was born that year, is that right?

CHANDLER: Uh-huh, he survived it and never got it, we were very, very lucky.

SMITH: So, now is he the first Derby winner you had? That you had helped? Okay, how did that feel?

CHANDLER: Pretty good.

SMITH: Yeah.

CHANDLER: And good people, Moss's, good people, Jerry Moss was somehow connected to one of the bands out there years, and years, and years ago, Moss and somebody.

SMITH: I don't know.

CHANDLER: In California, I can't remember who it was either but anyway they are real nice people.

SMITH: Okay, yeah.

CHANDLER: And that was a real thrill.

SMITH: Did you think he was a special horse?

CHANDLER: Not particularly, just a big plain nice kind of a horse, but 01:04:00boy I'm telling you, when you watched him come from where he came from, it was impressive.

SMITH: That must have been exciting.

CHANDLER: It was fun.

SMITH: Okay what about some of the other horses that you've had go on and be successful, was any others you remember? Or that was special in some way?

CHANDLER: Oh there've been, there've been, I mean, most of these horses I've sold, you know.

SMITH: Yeah, they weren't yours. Okay, now you told me the other day that you had done some racing with horses throughout the years but that you might be starting into that again? With the farm?

CHANDLER: Um, we've got a bunch of two year olds, we've got a Keeper 01:05:00Hill, Empire Maker colt that's down, there's a fellow down in Camden, South Carolina that has a lovely place, it's a nice training track and everything, his name is Kip Elser and he breaks our yearlings for us anything that we decide to keep, so I've got several down there with him including a Keeper Hill colt and a filly that's out of a mare named Royal Blue that I named More Caviar (laughs) and uh, you know, yeah, there, there will be, usually we sale, but uh, this was a really backward colt and I didn't want to put him in the September sale because I knew he'd get just killed, financially and I knew I couldn't sell him, so I sent him down there and he has matured and I haven't 01:06:00seen him but Kip say's he's twice the horse he was, so.

SMITH: Oh, that'll be fun to see him again.

CHANDLER: Empire Keeper is his name.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: Yeah.

SMITH: I'll keep an eye on that.

CHANDLER: Yeah, that'll be fun and listen if you ever want to go to the races one day.

SMITH: Oh, I would love to go to the races.

CHANDLER: If you, if you would, one day during the week like to have the box.

SMITH: Thank you, thank you.

CHANDLER: Just let me know ahead of time.

SMITH: Okay, uh, I've uh, need to experience the races more, I need to understand it better so uh, that is a lot that goes on that I don't quite get, so I have to, I need to spend some time there.

CHANDLER: Well, I'd love for you to, and, I mean, you know, on days during the week the box is usually available.

SMITH: Okay great.

CHANDLER: So just let me, let me know.

SMITH: I will do that, thank you, thank you.

CHANDLER: You're welcome.

SMITH: One of the things I was going to ask you about, I know there 01:07:00having a jockey's day at Keeneland.

CHANDLER: Are they?

SMITH: Uh-huh, and I, I thought of course, eventually I hope to be interviewing some of the jockeys some of the well-known as well as the lesser known, uh, do you remember jockey's that you've had to work with over the years? I guess if you haven't been that involved with the racing.

CHANDLER: I'm trying to think, that's something that's going to, yeah, I mean, I, I've, I remember, but you know, you don't get that involved, you just, you just tell them what you need to tell them and.

SMITH: Okay, uh, I know that being a jockey is a lot of hard work and the trainers generally pick the jockey's right?

CHANDLER: Yeah, but uh, you know, owners have their preference too.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: But trainers generally pick the jockeys and they the ones that 01:08:00usually do the talking and all that to them, to give them the riding instructions and everything.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: Yeah.

SMITH: Uh, let's see, there was, you have a stallion named Gone West?

CHANDLER: Uh-huh.

SMITH: Now, did, I think you told me that your son Reynolds got?

CHANDLER: Reynolds got him.

SMITH: Okay, and I read that he was a sire of sires, how do you know that that's, do you know in advance that that's a possibility or do you just?

CHANDLER: Well, you never know.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: But uh, it's, he's just been a very good stallion.

SMITH: Had a lot of really successful off spring.

CHANDLER: Don't ask me who.

SMITH: I won't (laughs), I won't that's okay, that's in the books, you know.

CHANDLER: They, they, they, you can look that up.

SMITH: I can do that, yeah that's one thing, interviews, it's not that important the specifics, it's more the meaning of events not the events 01:09:00themselves so we, that's okay. Let's, oh, the blood stock agency, at some point you decided to start a blood stock agency, is that right?

CHANDLER: My son Headley wanted to do that.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: And uh, he did and I'm trying to think of what year it was, it's been awhile and uh, he named it Nicoma after the dame of Nicosia, and uh we'd had to sale Nicoma to pay for the uh, I don't know what we had to pay for but we sold Nicoma and Winfield's in Canada bought her and she was the dam of Nicosia.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: And Headley started a blood stock agency named after Nicoma 01:10:00and I think it might have been in, could it have been 79 something like that, it was awhile ago.

SMITH: Okay, now, uh, he wanted to start it but is that associated with the farm? Or is it a separate entity?

CHANDLER: It's a separate entity but his office is in my old office up there in that barn I was telling you my mother paid for.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: Yeah, that's where he is.

SMITH: Okay. Uh.

CHANDLER: I mean, he's very happy to be, you know on the farm and all of that but it's a separate entity.

SMITH: Uh, now Reynolds, what does he do now?

CHANDLER: He's also a blood stock agent.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: Reynolds, R.B.T.S, Reynolds Bell Thoroughbred Services, and he is up on Alexandria, not very far away.

SMITH: Okay, so Mike's the one who works more directly with horses?

CHANDLER: Um-hum.

SMITH: Okay, okay, let's talk a little bit about Keeneland, is that okay with you, you we can stop and I can come back another time or we can continue it is up to you.

CHANDLER: I'm fine.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: But if you, if you ever feel that there is more that you want to ask or that I didn't answer something that we didn't talk about, don't hesitate.

SMITH: Okay, the same is true; you know if you think of something that you don't think we've covered, you give me a call but I'll get you the copies of the interviews and we can, we can figure that out. Okay, now you have been involved with Keeneland, of course most all your life but officially, you became, got on the board of directors in 1981, is that?

CHANDLER: I read something the other day that I'd been on it for, yeah probably.

SMITH: Okay, long time.

CHANDLER: Yeah.

SMITH: Is that appoint, do they appoint you? Is that how that works?

CHANDLER: I guess so, yeah, they, they, they do appoint you and I sat on the, on the Exect Board too.

SMITH: Okay, okay, now that's along time and there's been a lot of changes at Keeneland over the years but, particular the 1980's seem to have been a pretty important time with the growth of the sales, what do you remember from those early years as, in your involvement with Keeneland?

CHANDLER: Well I remember we had no money,

SMITH: Oh.

CHANDLER: no money and I remember that we did not have enough money to have dishes in the kitchen; we ate soft boiled eggs out of glasses.

SMITH: Now this would have been when Keeneland was first?

CHANDLER: It was when it was first started and I remember daddy sitting 01:13:00there after every race adding up the betting and trying to figure out whether he could keep it open for another day and it's come a long way since then.

SMITH: Absolutely.

CHANDLER: And uh, back in the very beginning, there were no sales, the sales were at Saratoga, and I'm not sure of the date but I think about 1941 when the war started and gas rationing became, I think it was 41, we couldn't get to Saratoga because there was no gasoline.

SMITH: Right.

CHANDLER: So that's when we had to start the Keeneland Sales, I mean it 01:14:00wasn't intended, it wasn't deliberate, it was just out of necessity.

SMITH: Uh-huh, now I know that it was the breeders, uh.

CHANDLER: Futurity?

SMITH: No, it was called the breeders company or something before it became the Keeneland Sales.

CHANDLER: Yeah, what was it called?

SMITH: That's okay but your father and I know Warner Jones was involved in it and uh, several other.

CHANDLER: Louie Beard, Louie Beard, yeah and in the beginning Louie Beard was the one was I told you that went out and sold all the, all the membership, uh, which is what financed, help finance the building of the track.

SMITH: So he was pretty instrumental in developing the sales as well.

CHANDLER: Louie?

SMITH: Uh-huh.

CHANDLER: I don't know who developed the sales I just remember what the, I think, we didn't develop them, I mean we inherited them by, by mistake and uh, kept on going with them even, even when Saratoga, we were able to get back to it and you know, they, we've had both of the sales for a good while.

SMITH: Uh-huh, now in the, in the 1980's, now you sold Sir Ivor in the 60's and I know that the sales just progressively got stronger but the 1980's are when you really saw the sales of over a million dollars, what was that like? For Keeneland?

CHANDLER: You mean for people to sale a horse for over a million dollars?

SMITH: Yeah.

CHANDLER: You know, I never was that involved with the Keeneland Sales.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: Uh, I don't know from, I mean I know when we sold that colt 01:16:00two years ago of Marty Wygods.

SMITH: Now how much did it sale for?

CHANDLER: Tranquility Lake, 9.8 million.

SMITH: Oh my.

CHANDLER: That was, and then uh, Darley bought a colt for 16 million named the Green Monkey.

SMITH: Yeah.

CHANDLER: But this was before.

SMITH: About two years ago?

CHANDLER: Yeah, I think, we sold our colt maybe the year before the Green Monkey but anyway, I've got a fellow here named Bayne Welker who came to us about five years ago and he, he does the sales and handles the bookings for the mares and uh, its just been, he's been a real 01:17:00asset along with all the other good people I've got.

SMITH: That's right.

CHANDLER: Yeah.

SMITH: Uh, well I also know that in the 1980's you, with the July sales, there were a lot of parties that were going on around there, I remember an interview you talked about Leslie Combs and Tom Gentry, now where you a part of that social phenomenon?

CHANDLER: No, I never, I never been a social person, I never really enjoyed that, I mean when you're trying to sell horses, trying to do your job in the day time, I can't do it at night.

SMITH: I understand, do you think the thing that, that sort of marketing approach, which was good for the industry?

CHANDLER: Oh yeah, I don't think it hurt it, I think, I think it brought people down and showed them, you know, part of what we are and yeah, 01:18:00I don't see how it could have been, but it's pretty well-- . Funny thing, I was sitting at a stop light the other day and Tom Gentry went by in a car and I hadn't, I hadn't seen him for years, I don't know what he's doing. Are you going to interview him?

SMITH: I think he is on the list, yes.

CHANDLER: Is he?

SMITH: I hope to, it's a long list.

CHANDLER: Oh I know, it's a good, that's good, I just, I mean he's not, I never see him at the sales anymore, I don't exactly know, you know what he's doing because he was such a dominant factor when he was doing it.

SMITH: Uh, the people who sell, the people who are purchasing at the Keeneland Sales, how is that changed over the years, have you seen, um?

CHANDLER: Well Sheikh Mohammed got involved in the 80's and that was a, 01:19:00a big thing, uh, Darley got Sheikh Mohammed, it's changed but I can't exactly tell you, you know, people, people wise, who's disappeared exactly and who's still there.

SMITH: Still there? I've heard or read that the business has become very commercial and less personal these days, is that?

CHANDLER: Well, I don't know what you call commercial because anytime you go and buy something, whether it's personal or not, it's still pretty commercial (laughs).

SMITH: That's true, money exchanges hands, that's, okay. What, at Keeneland, the things that have happened over there over the years 01:20:00since the say 1980's since you've been on the board of directors, uh, do you know of any kind of key transitions, I know when I talked to Ted Bassett, you know the sales and the growth of the sales, changes in the physical plant, they're always building at Keeneland.

CHANDLER: Yeah, yeah they, they're building and one of the biggest changes is that, uh, I'm a real good friend of Nick Nicholson's and when I was President of the K.T.A., Kentucky Thoroughbred Association, he came, I think it was 1981 down here from Washington, he was working for Senator Ford.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: And uh, he went to work as a director, as the, the director.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANLDER: Uh, and that's how I got to know Nick and we worked together for a couple of years while I was the pres and he, he stayed with it and 01:21:00when he left it, uh, he got involved with running the Jockey Club for a couple of years and then he got hired by Keeneland and uh real good kid, real good people, nice wife, we go to the same church and all that but uh, Keeneland uh, Keeneland has grown and daddy would be thrilled.

SMITH: It has grown and I think I read where you said that you wanted to see it become more of a leader in the industry. Do you think that's happening?

CHANDLER: Uh, I think so, I think it's, it's yeah, I think it is.

SMITH: Okay, uh there were, where did I find this? Do you remember, 01:22:00where you there when the Queen visited in 84? Was that 84 or 85, something like that.

CHANDLER: I, I remember when she visited in 91.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: Yeah, she came out here.

SMITH: Yeah, I read that.

CHANDLER: Yeah, I think it was 91.

SMITH: was that--

CHANDLER: And um, I have seen her at Ascot you know when I used to go every year.

SMITH: Oh, that would be fun.

CHANDLER: We, we had a, we've had lunch with her a couple of times there.

SMITH: Is that a, a unique experience or is it?

CHANDLER: Yeah, it was very nice, she is a nice person, she really is and I mean we've got uh, she, she loves horses and that's what makes it so nice, she is a nice person she loves horses, and u,h she cares about 01:23:00the racing and got some mares of her own.

SMITH: I understand she's coming to the Derby this year.

CHANDLER: That's what I hear.

SMITH: Yeah.

CHANDLER: That's what I hear, yeah.

SMITH: Yeah, uh now you've been involved not only in Keeneland but as you said you were president of K.T.A. and uh.

CHANDLER: There's a list.

SMITH: Of all the (laughs).

CHANDLER: Yeah, of everything in there (laughs).

SMITH: Uh, why did you decide to do that? Why were you willing to, to be involved with these organizations?

CHANDLER: Because I care tremendously about what happens to this industry and not just from a financial point of view but mainly from what happens to the horse.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: I mean, I do, I care, I care tremendously about the health 01:24:00and the welfare of the horse and I'm concerned about the drug use, I'm concerned about you know things like that.

SMITH: Now you also were on the Kentucky Racing Authority, I believe it is now called the state.

CHANDLER: Uh, I was and uh I'm still on the Drug Council, the Kentucky Drug Council.

SMITH: Now I understand uh, just from the little bit of research I've done that Kentucky used to have pretty permissive drug laws, or lack thereof, and that was a real concern for several people in the industry, can you comment on that, what?

CHANDLER: Uh, it still is a concern, I mean, it's a, uh, and the thing 01:25:00that, the thing that the Drug Council does is try to, regulate the drug laws as, as much as possible and the thing that, that, that, that I'm concerned about is and want to continue to monitor is the breaking of rules and we've got, there's a, a real good guy in California named Don Caitlin, C-A-I-T-L-I-N, and he is the one that does some drug testing and whatever, there's also, we send our, our drug test to uh, a 01:26:00gentleman in Iowa.

SMITH: What are some examples of abuses of the, the drug laws, what are people doing that can be so dangerous? I know that Mack Miller, I asked him you know how he felt about using drugs with horses, he was talking about milkshakes and things like that, I mean what are some of the abuses that are of most concern?

CHANDLER: Well, EPO is one of them.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: Erythropoietin, it, it can, you have to give it ahead a time, you can give it ahead of time before a race, I mean I don't know how many days but it will screw up a horses blood real bad and milkshakes are pretty innocent but they will keep a horse from getting tired and 01:27:00it's, both of these are being used.

SMITH: What are some of the drugs that you feel are acceptable, now I'm just asking because I don't know that much about this part of the industry.

CHANDLER: Well bute, banamine, it's a, it's a pain thing, I mean not necessarily to race on but if you have a horse that is hurting, I mean banamine will temporarily ease the pain.

SMITH: Now, I've talked to some people who are concerned that it goes from one extreme to another where almost any kind of medication is not acceptable even medications that simply make a horse more comfortable, is that a concern, are some people being?

CHANDLER: Too?

SMITH: Right, too strict in their interpretations of what's acceptable?

CHANDLER: Well back in the old days if you had a horse that needed 01:28:00some time off, he got some time off, nowadays he doesn't get any time off, the whole philosophy has changed, I mean they could turn a horse out back in the old days but now it's totally different, it's just a different bred of cat and I, it, it is training and, and the whole system has changed, uh, you know when you had a horse that needed some time off you took him and turned him out, now they don't do that anymore.

SMITH: What, is there just more pressure to, to race more or?

CHANDLER: We don't run as much, I mean we used to be that 20 years ago we started a horse 25 times a year, don't do that anymore, it's gotten to the point where we don't race as much and uh, I don't know, I mean 01:29:00I think we're doing a pretty good job, especially at Keeneland, I don't know that I should say especially at Keeneland but I think that in Kentucky we're doing a pretty good job of policing the, the drug situation.

SMITH: But that's just been more recently, is that correct?

CHANDLER: I don't know when it started uh, I'm just, I guess it's because I'm involved in it now and uh, sit on the Drug Council and you know.

SMITH: So you feel pretty good about where Kentucky is headed in terms of drug?

CHANDLER: I do, I do, I think people are very aware of the fact that we can overdo this thing.

SMITH: Okay, what, Mr. Bassett and I talked about the problems where there's no standardization across the country, now is that?

CHANDLER: That's a real problem, everybody is, every state can do its own thing and that makes it very difficult to ship a horse to race it or I mean, we need, in my opinion we need uniform drug testing.

SMITH: Are there efforts towards that end within the industry?

CHANDLER: Every state is playing its own game, I wish, I wish.

SMITH: Um,

CHANDLER: But the two testing states are Iowa and California, that we send drug tests to.

SMITH: So what, what are the, the rules now if there is a horse that is going to race at Keeneland, do you test every horse? Before a race, is 01:31:00there a test given? Not yet?

CHANDLER: I don't think so.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: I really don't, I mean Nick and I talked about it I don't know currently exactly what we're doing.

SMITH: I understand there are also issues in terms of drug use to enhance a horse before selling, I think there is, is that one of your concerns as well?

CHANDLER: Yeah. It is and that's getting just, that's just getting more prominent, I mean people are becoming more aware that that's happening.

SMITH: What kind of drugs are they using, do you know?

CHANDLER: I can't remember the name of the damn thing. (laughs)

SMITH: It's like a steroid?

CHANDLER: Yeah, anabolic steroids, that's right, that's what they're doing, muscle builders.

SMITH: Are these particular dangerous for the horses?

CHANDLER: It depends on the drug, no, I don't think anabolic steroids are but on, people give clenbuterol which enhances the breathing and uh.

SMITH: Now that.

CHANDLER: Now what did Mack Miller say? I mean, he's, he's, he's been in the middle of this.

SMITH: Well, we didn't talk a whole lot about it, I asked him what he used and he said everything that was legal. (Chandler laughs) And (laughs) so, uh, and again he was talking about milkshakes, he did talk though, you know his concerns for uh, abuse in the industry, where people's greed might perhaps cause them to do some underhanded things, not only in drugs but otherwise and is that your concern as well?

CHANDLER: Oh yeah, absolutely, I mean there are the guys that you know 01:33:00are straight and there are the guys that you are concerned about.

SMITH: Do you feel overall the industries got a lot of integrity or there are areas you really wish you could?

CHANDLER: Well, I wish that we had a uniform drug rule across the country and everybody had to play by the same and that way, I mean there are some tracks that have a whole lot more supervision about their drugs than others and I wish everybody had to do the max about supervision and testing and all that stuff.

SMITH: Now in, in Europe are the laws stricter?

CHANDLER: They don't cheat, I don't know how they police it but they don't have, erythropoietin, and EPO, and they don't use, I don't 01:34:00know how they, I don't how they do it but they don't, apparently it's minimal.

SMITH: Now of course I read about uh, I'm not going to know, remember the horses name, its Fred Bradley's horse who ran in Dubai and I think came in second and then it tested for a drug that they had used coming over so and, in Dubai at least they have a pretty strong.

CHANDLER: And they're, they're going to have their big weekend on the 31st.

SMITH: That's coming up. Now have you been to that race?

CHANDLER: No.

SMITH: No?

CHANDLER: I've been to Dubai once and that was before there was any racetrack, before there was anything except mostly the hotel that we were staying in, a bunch of us flew over in 1988.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: And that's, that's the only time I've ever been.

SMITH: Why did you go?

CHANDLER: Uh, because, maybe Sheikh Mohammed invited a bunch of.

SMITH: Horse people?

CHANDLER: Horse people from Lexington.

SMITH: He has really made a difference, his family has really made a difference..

CHANDLER: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely and I mean, you know, Darley is right across the road and Jimmy Bell is my nephew, he runs the place that used to be his father's farm now for John, for Darley, it used to be Jonabell, now its Darley and uh, it's, it, yeah he's, he's alright.

SMITH: You know and that's just the sales but they've become a part of the community.

CHANDLER: That's right, exactly, they have, the land, the sales and yeah.

SMITH: There's another issue that's you read a lot about, I just read an 01:36:00article, last week about the banning the slaughter of horses.

CHANDLER: I have, I'm fighting that, Connie Whitfield and Ed Whitfield are friends, Connie is the chair of the Drug Council and we've been fighting this hard and I think they've finally gotten to the point where they've accomplished something, I can't even talk about it.

SMITH: You don't want to talk about it? Okay. That bad.

CHANDLER: I'm so, I'm, in my mind it is, in my mind and you know, the veterinary industry, the vet's with all due respect to them, I mean 01:37:00I don't mean to be anything, say anything that is detrimental because I understand where their coming from but they, some of them are not as opposed to slaughter as some of us because they see horses suffer and that, that is what keeps them a little bit open minded about the slaughter thing but.

SMITH: Well what, are there a lot of efforts to find retired horses and also to save horses from slaughter and get them on farms, there is a lot of horses to save but.

CHANDLER: I know and uh, Stacy Hancock has got, has that new thing that she's doing is 80 acres over here on Cat Nip Hill Pike which she has, 01:38:00bless her heart she has made into a retirement home and it's just in the process of being finished which is great but I mean we need more of that.

SMITH: Yes.

CHANDLER: We need more of that, that would, that's ideal but we've got a lot of catching up to do.

SMITH: Yes, yes, the article I read was talking about so many horses being abandoned or being simply neglected because they can't sell them but they can't afford to care for them.

CHANDLER: That's right.

SMITH: And it's across breeds I understand.

CHANDLER: Yes, it is, I mean, I'm hoping that people become more aware of the terrible problem that we have.

SMITH: Uh-huh, yeah, Ms. Abercrombie was talking about it as well.

CHANDLER: Yeah, good, good, that's great we need to, all need to get involved.

SMITH: Yeah, switch gears to something more pleasant, you were one of 01:39:00only three women to be an honored guest by the Thoroughbred Club of America, was that a thrill?

CHANDLER: Once I got over being nervous (laughs). Yeah it was a thrill, it was a thrill. I mean, I'm not accustomed to public speaking and I don't do it that often and the sweat before it was large but once I got on my feet it went away, it did.

SMITH: Now.

CHANDLER: It was a great honor.

SMITH: Your father had been honored as well and Duval had been honored so you the third member of the family?

CHANDLER: Uh-huh, I think Duvie was honored.

SMITH: Uh-huh.

CHANDLER: Yeah.

SMITH: Okay, why do you think only three women have received that honor over the years?

CHANDLER: Bets me, I don't understand it, I mean I, Josephine should 01:40:00be, I hope they honor Buddy Bishop this year, he's a, his father was the man who ran Keeneland when it first started and he is a good guy so I hope they will take care of him this year and do him. But I mean, I guess maybe it's because there not that many women involved in the industry but I mean, there, there are some that need to be recognized.

SMITH: Yeah, I would agree, that's one thing maybe this project can try to document some of these women, so.

CHANDLER: I need to keep your list.

SMITH: Yes, please and as it changes, I'll let you know. So, as you look at horse racing today, what do you see are the biggest challenges, 01:41:00well let's just say for the farms? I know there's a connection there but what do you see as the biggest challenge?

CHANDLER: Biggest challenge for the farm?

SMITH: Uh-huh.

CHANDLER: Racing wise?

SMITH: Uh-huh, or breeding, I know there.

CHANDLER: Well I'm pleased that Keeneland's gotten the polytrack, and I hope that there's going to be more of that because I think it's, it's, it's safer, uh.

SMITH: We've touched on some of those, the issues of caring for horses and the drug use as well.

CHANDLER: Yes.

SMITH: Of course now some of the big issues are trying to keep the tracks in profit with the whole issue of gaming, is that something you've, have any feelings about?

CHANDLER: Uh, I know, I mean, I don't, I don't have any problem with 01:42:00that as long as we do it in the right way, I mean if we ever got it here I'd like to put it over on that 100 acres where Keeneland is.

SMITH: Do you think that's important for the industry? To be able to get this additional income? And for the state?

CHANDLER: I don't think it would hurt it, no, I think it would help it a lot, yeah but I want to do it in the right way.

SMITH: I understand, uh, as breeders, I keep, I see little red flags go off with people who say that maybe there's an overproduction of horses 01:43:00again, is that something that is a concern, I know this happened in the 80's.

CHANDLER: I don't know what we can do about it, I mean, what do you do about it? How do you control it?

SMITH: Back in 1980's, I forgot to ask you this question, uh of course you were having the phenomenal sales and, and breeding of horses just almost doubled during that time period and then suddenly it stopped, how difficult was that for the agents, for the industry and for breeders like yourself when suddenly the big prices were no longer there and of course there was the tax reform act of 86 that had an impact on some of the breeders, do you remember that?

CHANDLER: Huh-uh.

SMITH: No really? You managed to survive it?

CHANDLER: Yeah, it uh, it never, it never, you know really was, I wasn't that aware of it.

SMITH: Okay, okay, I asked Mr. Bassett about Keeneland and he said 01:44:00Keeneland was okay except they quit building for a couple of years, yeah.

CHANDLER: But I don't remember really ever, that was about when Sheikh Mohammed came into being.

SMITH: Uh-huh. Okay, allright.

CHANDLER: I think, I think just about that time Sheikh Mo showed up and it didn't last long as I recall.

SMITH: Right, and then of course what happened at Calumet, Leslie Combs had difficulties, do you remember those things happening and what that meant to the industry or to you? To see those kind of giants falling?

CHANDLER: It didn't affect me.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: I mean, it might have affected Keeneland and Mr. Bassett and you know he might have been but people die and you just move on.

SMITH: Uh-huh, so a lot of it is just a natural progression?

CHANDLER: Yeah, that's, I mean, I, that's kind of what, my feeling.

SMITH: Okay, okay, uh, well this is kind of a final question, but I don't really think we're finished but.

CHANDLER: I don't want to be finished (laughs).

SMITH: Okay (laughs) but when you look back, oh there was one thing I wanted to ask you about, you worked with; you were chair of the Gluck Equine Center? What was that experience like, was that uh?

CHANDLER: It was good, I mean, Gluck is very, very, a very necessary thing to this industry and I just, I want to see more people from the industry get involved with Gluck, I mean financially and, and just, I just, I'd, it was a good experience for me, I hope it was good for 01:46:00them. Um, I'm impressed with the people are at Gluck in the labs and everything I mean, I just think it's that's just necessity.

SMITH: What exactly do they do?

CHANDLER: They do a lot of different research, it's a research thing, they do a lot of different equine research, I mean, what causes problems and.

SMITH: Like the mare reproductive?

CHANDLER: Right, right and I mean it's, it's just something that we need.

SMITH: Um-hum, okay. Um, when you look back over your years with the industry and you know all the way back to your childhood, are there any particular accomplishments that you're most proud of? It doesn't even 01:47:00have to be related to horses.

CHANDLER: No, the whole thing has just, I'm blessed to have four children and eight grandchildren that are very, very special people, I mean, I'm just, it's so many people have children and grandchildren that, that they have, you know to problems with and things like that.

SMITH: Oh yeah.

CHANDLER: And I, I am so blessed because they have been good, good 01:48:00people.

SMITH: Uh-huh.

CHANDLER: That and, and to have this piece of land and the people on it is a real blessing and to have a good husband after the third time around (laughs) so.

SMITH: You've been married, what 34 years or more now?

CHANDLER: To him?

SMITH: Uh-huh.

CHANDLER: 1972, 35.

SMITH: 35 years, yeah, it sounds like you got it right the third time (laughs).

CHANDLER: Finally (laughs).

SMITH: Well, I'll go ahead and end that here and we can think about what we haven't talked about unless you can think of something right now that you, that we haven't covered, you might want to listen to the interviews and then, and then see there if, where we could go into a little more depth.

CHANDLER: Allright.

SMITH: We have talked a lot about your father, I am curious, 01:49:00you mentioned his superstition and the Derby, did he have other superstitions?

CHANDLER: He kept them pretty well hidden if he did.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: That was the first, first one that I was aware of, I'm sure he did but I never knew what they were, just like I never knew he bet (laughs).

SMITH: Although there was something else we talked about last time was the fact that in your childhood there was so many African American's working on the farm and now that has changed.

CHANDLER: And I don't understand where they've gone, I mean it's an absolute mystery to me, I don't know where they are because we wouldn't, we, we couldn't have done the farm without them.

SMITH: They were pretty good horseman?

CHANDLER: Yeah and but there was a lot of the farm that didn't really need horseman, there were Afro- American's that were horseman but uh, you know there was, the majority of the farm was tobacco, cattle thing 01:50:00as well and uh, you just don't see many.

SMITH: Now you've told me that a lot of your workers now are Hispanic?

CHANDLER: Uh-huh.

SMITH: Is there any kind of a cultural problem there, language issues, that or help that you might provide them, I know some people that are very interested in providing for, worried about education and those kinds of issues, have you?

CHANDLER: The, it is an issue, but I think the ones that are permanent here are learning you know to speak English, there are classes that they take and Duncan and Donnie and you know my foreman would be more 01:51:00aware of that but there's some good Mexican's.

SMITH: Oh yeah.

CHANDLER: But I don't know what's happened to the Afro's, I don't have a clue where they are. Where did they go? What they are doing? I just don't know.

SMITH: Did you see the change in the 1960's; do you think that's when it really started? With passage of civil rights legislation?

CHANDLER: I just, I'm not aware of when it really started but in the last, what 20 years? They just disappeared.

SMITH: One of the things that I, I do want to try to do, you know with this project is to find some of the African American's who've worked in the industry for a long time and get their stories, someone was telling me about a Tom Embry who had worked on Hamburg Farm for a very long 01:52:00time, there's a blacksmith, Jackie Thompson, who, I think he is getting quite up there in years but there is a few, if you think of any, you think back on the families that worked here, I'd appreciate adding them to our list.

CHANDLER: The last one that I had is gone, he's dead now and he came in 1945.

SMITH: Oh my.

CHANDLER: He was one of the four.

SMITH: Oh okay.

CHANDLER: One, one of the.

SMITH: Was he the only African American of the four?

CHANDLER: No, they all, but one were, 3 of the 4 were.

SMITH: Um and none of their family ever got involved that you know of, I mean they did, did have children that they?

CHANDLER: Huh-uh.

SMITH: Okay.

CHANDLER: Henry Jackson had a son but he went to work for the university and never got involved with the farm, none of the.

SMITH: Okay, well.

CHANDLER: It's, it's really, it's really unbelievable.

SMITH: Yeah because a lot of what I've heard about many of the people who worked in the industry were African American, they were very good at their work.

CHANDLER: Oh yeah, I mean they were natural horseman, a lot of them.

SMITH: Uh-huh, do I smell that good honey? (laughs)

CHANDLER: She loves it (laughs). She loves it.

SMITH: That's okay, alright is there anything else that you think of that you'd want to talk to me about? Right now?

CHANDLER: No but will you give me your telephone number?

SMITH: Absolutely, absolutely.

CHANDLER: And if anything does come up that we didn't discuss.

SMITH: Okay, yeah and I'll do some more research, I'll read your articles and I mean I've really enjoyed talking with you, I've learned a lot and, and.

CHANDLER: Oh, I've enjoyed this so much but truly I mean if anything jumps up that we really never thought to touch on I'll give you a call.

SMITH: Okay, yes please do, please do.

CHANDLER: Anytime you want to come out or show the farm to somebody or let me know.

SMITH: I'd like to see the farm, I haven't actually been on a 01:54:00Thoroughbred farm yet actually other than come into an office and doing an interview so, like I said, I have a lot to learn and so I can do a better job with this project, uh baby.

CHANDLER: You're doing a good job with this project.

SMITH: (laughs) Thank you, we'll go ahead and stop this now.

[End of interview.]