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00:00:09 - Family and personal background

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Partial Transcript: I'll let you know when my, uh, my battery's getting low and then we'll stop and--

Segment Synopsis: Ellis talks about his parents, particularly his father. He also describes both sets of grandparents, what they did for a living, and their background. He mostly talks about his father working at Dixiana Farm for Charles T. Fisher and the Fisher family. He also notes his sister Peggy. Ellis touches briefly on his father's duties at Dixiana.

Keywords: Charles T. Fisher; Clyde Van Dusen (Race horse); Dixiana Farm (Ky.); Family backgrounds; Fayette County (Ky.); Franklin County (Ky.); Mata Hari (Race horse); Peaks Mill (Ky.); Spy Song (Race horse)

Subjects: Belmont, August, 1853-1924; Families.; Farm management; Horse farms.; Horse industry; Horse owners; Thoroughbred horse

GPS: Dixiana Farm (Lexington, Ky.)
Map Coordinates: 38.128338, -84.433944
00:10:54 - First memories of horses

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Partial Transcript: Um, you say you grew up with these horses. What are your first memories of being around these horses?

Segment Synopsis: Ellis talks about his first experience with horses. He mentions seeing his first race at Keeneland. He names a few horses that he could remember from that race.

Keywords: Childhood; Memories; Russell Cave Road (Ky.)

Subjects: Horse grooms; Horse industry; Horse owners; Horse racing; Horse racing--Kentucky; Keeneland (Lexington, Ky.); Stallions

GPS: Dixiana Farms (Lexington, Ky.)
Map Coordinates: 38.128338, -84.433944
00:14:21 - Farm life experience

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Partial Transcript: So, uh, what else did you do for fun on the farm as a child?

Segment Synopsis: Ellis talks about some of the activities he took part in living on the farm, both fun and working to clean the stalls. He mentions talking care of a broodmare named Miss Jemima. He also describes various doctors and vets who worked at Dixiana to take care of the horses.

Keywords: Dixiana Farm (Ky.); Horse breeders; Mata Hari (Race horse); Miss Jemima (Horse)

Subjects: Horse breeders; Horse farms.; Horse industry; Horses--Care

GPS: Dixiana Farms (Lexington, Ky.)
Map Coordinates: 38.128338, -84.433944
00:16:55 - Education

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Partial Transcript: Going back to your childhood, now what about your education? Where did you go to school?

Segment Synopsis: Ellis offers an overview of his education. He talks about the different schools he went to, followed by an overview of what work he did following some time at the University of Kentucky. He mentions working as a radioman in the Navy, as well as returning to the Dixiana race track. Ellis talks about starting to work for The Blood-Horse magazine.

Keywords: Bryant's Station Junior High; Dixiana Farm (Ky.); Lafayette High School; Russell Cave; Sayre School; The Blood-Horse (Magazine); United States Navy; University of Kentucky

Subjects: Childhood; Education

00:18:31 - Work with horses

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Partial Transcript: Now, when you, you said earlier, that you always wanted to work with horses, what, what did you want to do with horses? What did you expect when you were young?

Segment Synopsis: Ellis describes his initial hopes to train horses, which he could not do due to having a growing family. He talks about working in advertising for The Blood-Horse magazine. He notes his entry into radio through the "Post-Time" show. Ellis also describes leaving The Blood-Horse with his radio partner to form an advertising agency. After that partnership ended, he turned to the Daily Racing Form.

Keywords: Colin Advertising; Post-Time (Radio show); The Blood-Horse (Magazine); The Blood-Horse magazine; The Thoroughbred Center; WLAP

Subjects: Daily Racing Form, Inc.; Farm management; Horse industry; Horse racing; Horse trainers

GPS: Dixiana Farms (Lexington, Ky.)
Map Coordinates: 38.128338, -84.433944
00:27:19 - Horses that he has raised

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Partial Transcript: What are some of the horses that, that you have, uh, raised? Um, who are some of your favorites?

Segment Synopsis: Ellis describes some of the horses that he had raised. He generally gives names, as well as some description of who sired them or what awards they won.

Keywords: Crafty Prospector (Race horse); Elbow Grease (Race horse); Hard Work (Race horse); One More Jump (Race horse); Our Michael (Race horse); Pago Pago (Race horse); River Downs Racetrack

Subjects: Horse breeders; Horse farms.

00:31:46 - HorseTale radio show

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Partial Transcript: Uh, we've kind of moved through your career pretty fast, but let's go on and talk a little bit about, uh, HorseTales. When did you start that program?

Segment Synopsis: Ellis describes getting involved in radio again with his "HorseTale" radio show in the late 1990s. He notes his reluctance to do so, but was won over through the support of his sponsors. He talks about supporters of the show, as well as guests such as Michael Blowen.

Keywords: Chris Cross; Claiborne Farm; ESPN AM 1300; Horse Tales (Radio show); HorseTale (Radio show); Joe Estes; Joe Palmer; National Thoroughbred Racing Association

Subjects: Blowen, Michael.; Coolmore Stud.; Keeneland (Lexington, Ky.)

00:38:42 - Relationship with Man o' War

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Partial Transcript: Uh, I'm gonna, uh, take you back again to your childhood and--

Segment Synopsis: Ellis describes his relationship with Man o' War as a child. He talks about his thoughts on Man o' War, especially as his father had worked with Man o' War. He notes that he still has a record of Man o' War's funeral.

Keywords: Childhood; Dixiana Farm (Ky.); Domino (Race horse); War Admiral (Race horse); War Relic (Race horse)

Subjects: Man o' War (Race horse), 1917-1947; McGee, William R., 1917-2017

00:42:33 - Thoughts on other horses

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Partial Transcript: Did you ever feel that way about any other horse?

Segment Synopsis: Ellis considers how he felt about other horses besides Man o' War. He names a few notable horses that he had seen. However, he acknowledges that few could live up to Man o' War.

Keywords: Citation (Race horse); Coal Town (Race horse); Joe Estes; Joe Palmer; Swaps (Race horse)

Subjects: Man o' War (Race horse), 1917-1947; Secretariat (Horse), 1970-1989.

00:45:50 - Father's farm management style

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Partial Transcript: Your father's, um, role on the farm, and you know I've talked to other people who were farm managers, sometimes, and that's on the business end, and sometimes that's dealing with the horses. Was he sort of hands on with the horses?

Segment Synopsis: Ellis describes his father's style in managing the horses at Dixiana for the Fishers. He mentions teasing the broodmares as one of his duties, as well as what had to be done. Ellis also describes the connection between one of the workers at Dixiana and the Pancho Villa campaigns. Ellis also notes the various owners that had owned parts of Dixiana over the years.

Keywords: Boss Ellis; Dixiana Farm (Ky.); Domino Stud; Fidelis (Race horse); Golden Ruler (Race horse); Hard Work (Race horse); Lerrkin (Race horse)

Subjects: Farm management; Fisher, Mary; Horse breeders; Horse farms--Kentucky; Horse farms.; Villa, Pancho, 1878-1923.

00:57:12 - Jot 'em Down Store

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Partial Transcript: Here's another place that, um, Henry White told me about, uh, a place where the horsemen used to frequent, that's the Jot 'em Down Store?

Segment Synopsis: Ellis talks about the Jot 'em Down Store, and who founded it in the 1930s. He notes where they lived and what the store was like in the 1930s. He talks about the changes in ownership in the Terrell family. He says that the store is still in business.

Keywords: Ed "Googoo" Terrell; Jot 'em Down Store; Jot-Em Down Store; Lucien Terrell

Subjects: Stallions

GPS: Jot 'em Down Store (Lexington, Ky.)
Map Coordinates: 38.118727, -84.446813
01:03:14 - The Fisher family

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Partial Transcript: Okay, um, the Fishers. Uh, now, your dad worked for Mr. Fisher for a very long time. What are your memories of Mr. Fisher?

Segment Synopsis: Ellis talks about the Fisher family and how they came down from Detroit, Michigan to visit the farm. He recounts Charles Fisher and his wife getting stuck during a snowstorm one winter. He remembers the people who lived and worked on the farm.

Keywords: Calvin McFarland; Detroit (Mich.); Dixiana Farm (Ky.); Fisher family; Kelly McFarland

Subjects: Farm management; Horse breeders; Horse buyers; Horse farms--Kentucky; Horse farms.; Horse industry; Horse owners; Horse trainers

01:10:38 - University of Kentucky and military service

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Partial Transcript: Now, when did you go to UK?

Segment Synopsis: Ellis talks about briefly being a student at the University of Kentucky, until he joined the military and served in the Korean War. He describes going to San Diego and San Francisco in California to get training at radar school. He also talks about getting radio training through the military, as well as his time on the ship the USS Merrick.

Keywords: Los Angeles (Calif.); San Diego (Calif.); San Francisco (Calif.); Sasebo (Japan); Sasebo, Japan; Treasure Island; United States Navy; University of Kentucky

Subjects: Korean War, 1950-1953; Military service; USS Merrick (AKA-97); United States. Navy.

01:16:18 - Stationed in California

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Partial Transcript: So when you came back from Korea, were you still stationed in California for a while?

Segment Synopsis: Ellis notes his time in California while on shore leave from the ship. He talks about being stationed in San Diego. He also talks about getting out of the military and going through a cross-country drive with his friend. He notes visiting Las Vegas, Nebraska, and New Orleans. He then talks about returning to work at Dixiana after the service. He also notes working for the racetrack while getting married and starting a family.

Keywords: Dixiana Farm (Ky.); Las Vegas (Nev.); Long Beach (Calif.); San Diego (Calif.); The Blood-Horse (Magazine); The Blood-Horse magazine

Subjects: Korean War, 1950-1953; Military service; USS Merrick (AKA-97); United States. Navy.

01:20:19 - Working at the racetrack

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Partial Transcript: What were you doing when you worked at the race track? What was the work?

Segment Synopsis: Ellis talks about working as a groom for the racetrack. He talks about what he had to do and how he felt about working as a groom. He also describes working behind-the-scenes of racing with older grooms and racers.

Keywords: Blue Hawaii (Race horse); Joe Estes; Resolved (Race horse); Solution (Race horse); The Blood-Horse (Magazine); The Blood-Horse magazine

Subjects: Fillies.; Horse grooms; Horse industry; Horse owners; Horse racing; Race horses.; Racetracks (Horse racing)

01:23:29 - Mentors and influences on his career

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Partial Transcript: Um, would you consider any of these people mentors?

Segment Synopsis: Ellis considers those whom he had known throughout his career as mentors. He notes the importance of his father. Advertising and radio, he claims, he had a knack for, while also being inspired by Bill Worth. Smith names several important figures in the horse industry, which Ellis gives his thoughts and impressions on.

Keywords: Bill Worth; Col. Bradley; Colonel Bradley; Danzig (Race horse); Influences; Mentors; Mentorship; Proud Citizen (Race horse); Seth Hancock; Silver Hawk (Race horse)

Subjects: Bradley, Edward R. (Edward Riley), 1859-1946; Combs, Leslie; Hancock, Arthur B.; Jones, Brereton; Spendthrift Farm

01:37:37 - Bookie locations in Lexington in the 1950s

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Partial Transcript: But, uh, I could tell you some things about Lexington. Boy, has it changed since I--I knew where all the bookies were.--(both laugh)--

Segment Synopsis: Ellis considers the changes to Lexington, particularly the locations of several old bookmakers he used to frequent in the past. He spends time describing the Drake Hotel, and how one found the bookie at the hotel. He describes how one came into contact with a bookie, and how one would make a bet in the 1940s.

Keywords: Bookies; Bookmakers; Gambling; Lexington (Ky.)

Subjects: Horse racing; Horse racing--Betting; Horse racing--Rules

01:45:09 - Changes in the horse industry

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Partial Transcript: Now, Lexington's changed a lot, but so has the horse industry.

Segment Synopsis: Ellis describes the changes to the horse industry. He focuses on the changes to veterinary medicine as the most prominent. In particular, he talks about the changes to de-worming medication that have been made more convenient for groomers and trainers to give to their horses. He also notes the increased presence of women in the horse industry, as well as more Hispanic people. Ellis also talks about the increase in public stables at the expense of private ones.

Keywords: Phipps family

Subjects: African American horsemen and horsewomen; Horse industry; Horses--Diseases.; Horses--Health.; Horses--Wounds and injuries.; Veterinarians; Women in horse sports

01:51:46 - Significant challenges to the horse industry

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Partial Transcript: Um, when you look at the industry today, what do you think are some of the more significant challenges?

Segment Synopsis: Ellis considers the most significant challenges to the modern horse industry. He notes the problems of taking care of old horses, citing Michael Blowen's organization as an example of movements to take care of older horses in opposition to slaughtering them. He also notes the problem of medication and steroids, comparing it to his own use of steroids for his horses.

Keywords: Blowen, Michael; Elderly horses; Horse slaughter; Significant issues in horse industry

Subjects: Doping in horse racing; Horse industry; Horse racing; Horse racing--Rules

01:56:12 - Casino gaming and racetracks

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Partial Transcript: I don't know if you want to weigh in on this issue, since it's just such a hot topic right now, and that's the whole issue of casino gaming and the tracks and...

Segment Synopsis: Ellis talks about a contemporary bill to allow casinos into Kentucky, and notes his support for the bill. He describes the benefits of legalizing casino gambling for the horse industry in Kentucky.

Keywords: Casinos; Gambling; Racing

Subjects: Horse racing; Horse racing--Betting; Race horses.; Racetracks (Horse racing)

01:58:34 - Personal meaning of horses

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Partial Transcript: Well, since we're afraid we are going to run low on battery here, I'll just going to ask you one final question, and that's, um, you spent your entire life, you know, associating with the horse industry in one way or another. What has that meant to you?

Segment Synopsis: Ellis talks about what horses meant to him personally over his decades long career in the horse industry. He notes the fun he has enjoyed in his career, as well as the people he has met.

Keywords: Meaning

Subjects: Horse industry; Horse racing; Race horses.