Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History

Interview with Harry B. Scott, Jr., April 1, 2008

Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries
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00:00:02 - Family's history with horses / Jockeys

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Partial Transcript: Okay, this is Kim Lady Smith.

Segment Synopsis: In this opening segment, Scott talks about his family's history with horses. His father and grandfather both worked in the horse industry. Scott tells a few stories of the family's experiences with jockeys and what the rules were for jockeys when his father and grandfather raised horses.

Keywords: Family history; Family traditions; Fathers; Grandfathers; Harrie Scott, Sr.; Rules

Subjects: Derby (Horse race); Families.; Farmers.; Horse racing; Horses; Jockeys; Kentucky Derby; Scott, Harrie, Sr.; Thoroughbred horse

00:08:50 - Man o' War (Race horse)

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Partial Transcript: There were a couple of stories that on the last tape--and let's hope that I'm doing a better job with this one--that, um, I had a little sound difficulty with...

Segment Synopsis: Scott tells about his father's work with Man 'o War and some of the most memorable moments for Scott with Man o' War. Specifically, Scott tells the story of Man o' War's birthday party, which was an important public event in Kentucky.

Keywords: Birthdays; Fathers; Happy Chandler; Harrie Scott, Sr.; Heads; Parties; People

Subjects: Chandler, Happy, 1898-1991; Derby (Horse race); Horses; Kentucky Derby; Man o' War (Race horse); Scott, Harrie, Sr.

00:12:02 - War Admiral (Race horse) and Seabiscuit (Race horse)

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Partial Transcript: Okay, uh, the other story that, uh, I'd had some interference on was the race between, uh, War Admiral and Seabiscuit.

Segment Synopsis: Scott talks about the horses Seabiscuit and War Admiral. Both were direct descendants of Man o' War, but Scott talks about the differences between them.

Keywords: Seabiscuit (Race horse); War Admiral (Race horse)

Subjects: Families.; Horse racing; Horses; Man o' War (Race horse); Race horses; Riddle, Samuel Doyle, 1861-1951

00:15:42 - Admiral Cary T. Grayson

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Partial Transcript: Now, um, when I came in, before we got set up here, we were talking about, um, um, Mr. Gray who had introduced your dad to Mr. Riddle.

Segment Synopsis: Scott talks about the work his father did for Admiral Cary T. Grayson. The Scotts had a good working relationship and Scott makes reference to Grayson throughout the interview.

Keywords: Admiral Cary T. Grayson; Boards; Harrie Scott, Sr.; Interests; Mares; Rails

Subjects: Grayson, Cary T.; Horses; Horses--Breeding; Riddle, Samuel Doyle, 1861-1951; Roosevelt, Franklin D. (Franklin Delano), 1882-1945; Scott, Harrie, Sr.

00:18:46 - Isabel Dodge Sloane

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Partial Transcript: Now Isabelle Dodge Sloane, we, uh, we--they had boarded for her.

Segment Synopsis: Scott talks Isabel Dodge Sloane, an heiress who was also a client of Scott's father. Scott describes what she was like and what kind of a horsewoman she was.

Keywords: Clients; Harrie Scott, Sr.; Mares; Women

Subjects: Horse farms; Horse racing; Horses; Race horses; Scott, Harrie, Sr.; Thoroughbred horse; Women in horse sports

00:21:53 - Racing horses' natures

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Partial Transcript: So who were some of the other clients your dad had?

Segment Synopsis: Scott talks about the personality he's noticed racing horses tend to have. Particularly, he talks about horses that consistently win and the dispositions they tend to have.

Keywords: Businesses; Dollars; Fouls; Personalities

Subjects: Citation (Race horse); Eisenhower, Dwight D. (Dwight David), 1890-1969; Horses; Keeneland (Lexington, Ky.); Man o' War (Race horse); Scott, Harry B., Jr.; Scott, Harry B., Jr.--Interviews

00:30:55 - Tour with Admiral Cary T. Grayson

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Partial Transcript: Let's, um, uh--a couple things.

Segment Synopsis: Scott talks about the tour he and his family went on when he was a child that was organized by Admiral Grayson. He and his family were able to see some of the horses that were reserved for leading officers in the military.

Keywords: Admiral Cary T. Grayson; Cavalry; Tours; Trips

Subjects: Grayson, Cary T.; Horse farms; Horse industry.; Horses

00:38:13 - Childhood through the end of college

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Partial Transcript: 'Kay well let's bring you back to Kentucky and, um, and your childhood.

Segment Synopsis: Scott talks about his life from his childhood through the end of his college education. Included are his reasons for going to college, what role he wanted to play in the horse business, and his attempt to join the Air Force.

Keywords: Armed Services; Education

Subjects: Horses; Teachers; United States. Army Air Forces; University of Kentucky

00:46:09 - Working with horses and veterinarians

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Partial Transcript: So did you, uh, work with your dad while you were going to school?

Segment Synopsis: Scott talks about the period of time that he worked with his dad on the horse farm. He describes working with horses and working with some different veterinarians.

Keywords: Fathers; Foals; Harrie Scott, Sr.; Mares; Stalls

Subjects: Horse farms; Horse farms--Laborers; Horse industry--Kentucky; Horses; Horses--Breeding; Horses--Breeding--Kentucky; Scott, Harrie, Sr.; Veterinarians; Veterinarians--Kentucky

00:53:04 - Mare reproductive loss syndrome and veterinary medicine

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Partial Transcript: What, uh, what were some of the problems that you had with horses when, um--

Segment Synopsis: Scott talks the mare abortion problem that arose in Kentucky (Mare reproductive loss syndrome) and the veterinary medicine that has developed over the years to help treat it. Scott also discusses the general improvements that veterinary medicine has made over the years and how the University of Kentucky is contributing to veterinary science.

Keywords: Eyes; Foals; Horse abortions; Injections; Mare reproductive loss syndrome (MRLS); Mares; Shots; Vaccinations

Subjects: Abortion; Horse industry--Kentucky; Horses; Horses--Breeding; Horses--Breeding--Kentucky; Horses--Diseases; Horses--Virus diseases; Newspapers.; Scott, Harry B., Jr.; Scott, Harry B., Jr.--Interviews; University of Kentucky; University of Kentucky--Faculty; Veterinarians; Veterinarians--Kentucky

01:02:49 - Early problems with running the farm

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Partial Transcript: Well I'm going to take you away from medical things and let's go back to when you first started on your own career.

Segment Synopsis: Scott talks about the early years of managing a horse farm. After his father passed away, Scott became manager at two horse farms. Scott describes the difficulties he had proving to the employees that he knew how to run a horse farm.

Keywords: Dads; Fathers; Hard times; Harrie Scott, Sr.; Management; Managing; Problems; Working

Subjects: Faraway Farm (Ky.); Horse farms; Horse farms--Laborers; Horse industry--Kentucky; Horses; Plum Lane Farm (Ky.); Scott, Harrie, Sr.

01:10:56 - Philosophy of raising horses

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Partial Transcript: Well, did you have a particular philosophy about taking care of horses or is it just--

Segment Synopsis: Scott talks about his philosophy about raising horses, which he got from his dad. He believes that horses are meant to be in nature and should be outside of a stall as much as possible.

Keywords: Fathers; French; Harrie Scott, Sr.; Outdoors; Raining; Stalls

Subjects: Calumet Farm (Ky.); Faraway Farm (Ky.); Gaines, John; Horse farms; Horse farms--Laborers; Horses; Race horses; Scott, Harrie, Sr.

01:15:02 - Selling bloodstock

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Partial Transcript: So he, uh, met your daughter on his trip over here?

Segment Synopsis: Scott talks about the bloodstock business that he and his late son-in-law had. They would conduct business in France buying and selling horses.

Keywords: Agents; Bloodstock; Contracts; Daughters; Foals; French; Sales

Subjects: Gaines, John; Harthill, Alex, 1925-2005; Horse farms; Horses; Keeneland (Lexington, Ky.); Race horses; Veterinary medicine

01:30:46 - Employees and contractors

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Partial Transcript: Oh, h--I've heard a lot of stories about him.

Segment Synopsis: Scott talks about the people who worked for him and who he hired out after he became horse manager. Some of the people he hired out were white but initially many horsemen were black. Scott takes some time to discuss race and the horse business in this segment.

Keywords: Ankles; Foals; Horsemen; Loyal; Mares

Subjects: African Americans in horse racing; African Americans--Social conditions; Colleges; Faraway Farm (Ky.); Harthill, Alex, 1925-2005; Horses; Morehead State University; Race relations

01:50:50 - Managing Faraway Farm

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Partial Transcript: Now was it hard for you to manage your farm and Faraway for the Jeffords?

Segment Synopsis: Scott talks about what it was like to manage two horse farms at the same time. The main reason he gives for his success is the good help he has had over the years.

Keywords: Duties; Employees; Farm managers; Heart attacks; Jobs; Management; Responsibilities; Winning

Subjects: Faraway Farm (Ky.); Horses; Jeffords, Walter Morrison, 1883-1960; Veterinarians

01:59:31 - Personal career with bloodstock agency

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Partial Transcript: Well now how about you? You've had quite a career yourself.

Segment Synopsis: Scott talks about what he considers to be the best part of his career, the bloodstock agency that he ran with his late son-in-law. He spends this segment talking about why this business was so important to him and why he stopped after his son-in-law's death.

Keywords: Agents; Bloodstock; Businesses

Subjects: Horse industry.; Horses; Jeffords, Walter Morrison, 1883-1960

02:05:50 - Family

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Partial Transcript: Well looking back on your career, are there any particular accomplishments you're most proud of?

Segment Synopsis: Scott takes some time to talk about his wife, his children, and his grandchildren. They are the accomplishment that Scott says he is most proud of.

Keywords: Children; Daughters; Grandchildren; Married; Sons; Wife; Wives

Subjects: Episcopal Church; Episcopal Church--Clergy.; Families.; Horses

02:11:05 - What it means to work with a horse

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Partial Transcript: Um, what has it meant to you to work with horses?

Segment Synopsis: In this final segment, Scott describes what he thinks it means to work with horses. He describes the change that the horse business has undergone over the course of his career. He says that this is not a good change and he tries to describe the thing that has been lost with the changes that have taken place in the horse business.

Keywords: Athletes; Canada; Clients; Horse industry; Looking; People

Subjects: Eisenhower, Dwight D. (Dwight David), 1890-1969; Horse farms; Horses; Horses--Breeding; Jeffords, Walter Morrison, 1883-1960; Keeneland (Lexington, Ky.); Mellon, Paul; Miller, Mackenzie, 1921-