O'HARA: This is an interview with John Adams at Hopkinsville CommunityCollege, conducted for the Community College Oral History Project on June 13, 2007. Mr. Adams, the demand for higher education in Christian County resulted in Hopkinsville Community College opening its doors in the fall of 1965. Because you were hired as the bursar-recorder for Hopkinsville Community College, and was its first employee, you can explain the growth of this community college from its earliest days.
ADAMS: Well, thank you very much for this opportunity. The people inHopkinsville and Trigg County and Todd County and either--in a range 00:01:00of 35 to 40 miles had an opportunity for higher education, as opposed to previous arrangements. The college opened its doors for its first class in the fall of 1965. I came to Hopkinsville from the community college system when Dr. Ellis Hartford was dean. And in October of '64, my father passed away and--lived here, and he made me--we lived on a farm. I was responsible for that, and executor of his estate. And Dean Hartford was gracious enough to give me a little time off to get that started. And then I came to Hopkinsville and rented an 00:02:00office down on Ninth Street and hired the first secretary. And I had previously worked at the engineering department in Frankfort, and the contract had been let, and I knew the architect and I knew the engineer, and so it was easy to follow the development of the facility, the blue building. I remember Dean Hartford asked me one day, said to make up a brochure about the community college, get it out to the high schools in the area so that students and people and the general public will know about it, and I did. I look back on the experience, our first class in the fall of 1965 went about 330 students, freshmen. 00:03:00Three-fourths of those people would probably not have gone to college had this building not been here. Of course, Ned Breathitt from Hopkinsville was the governor at the time, which was helpful for its location. What I was so proud about, when we opened the doors in the fall of '65, we had had to furnish and get the supplies for a chemistry laboratory, get the bookstore and the books available for students to buy, a biology laboratory. And the lady that taught--Miss Clara Wheeler taught typing. And it was the beginning of electric 00:04:00typewriters, and she wanted the Selectric IBM typewriters, had the little round ball in it. And electronic data processing had just come out, and our budget wouldn't pay for 30 Selectric typewriters. It cost about $100--it cost about $300. And prior to my time to coming to Hopkinsville, Dean Hartford would send me to the community colleges at Maysville and Elizabethtown. And Somerset was about to get started at the same time. And my favorite story of all is Charlie Wethington and I got to be friends, and I was really being pushed for these--to buy 00:05:00some other electric typewriters locally, but I was going to give Miss Clara Wheeler those Selectric typewriters if it killed me. And we just came out with electronic data processing, and for some reason I got a copy of the Maysville printout of their counting--of their accounts. And I was just glancing through, and I looked at Maysville, and they had all kinds of money in their capital construction account. And I said to myself, "I wonder what would happen if I put their account number on the Hopkinsville Community College purchase order and sent it up there." I did. We got the 32 typewriters that Miss Wheeler wanted. 00:06:00And that was funny because nobody mentioned it, and then several years later, after I'd left the community college, I was executive director of the Pennyrile Area Development District. And there are fifteen area development districts in Kentucky, and we just started from grass roots. And in about the fourth or fifth year, I invited Charlie, Dr. Wethington, to come speak to our board and our guests. And we had a bunch of committees, had about 350 people. I remember it like it was yesterday. I told my chairman I had to introduce him, and I told a story about how we got Selectric IBM typewriters at the community college, and they were paid for by the Maysville Community College. 00:07:00(O'Hara laughs) "And Charlie, the statute of limitations has run out, and you can't do anything about it now." And he got the biggest kick out of that. So it was fun.
ADAMS: But I hired the maintenance people. We had the beginnings ofa nursing program. I don't think they were treated very nicely, to put them in a basement. I didn't like that, but that's what they did, that's what the director did. But the community support of leadership in the community was excellent. And the first class--I have a master's degree in agricultural economics, and classes are different. You have some really, really bright classes, and then you have some that are not so bright. And the first class we had was a bright class. And 00:08:00the second year, we had sophomores and freshmen, and we had about 450 students, and it was just fun. The whole thing was fun. And I stayed about five years, and then I had an opportunity to go with the Area Development Districts, and I chose to do that. But I remember the faculty members at that time were all new. And they could write the publisher of whatever textbooks that they wanted to use, and they would send them to them free. And then at the end of the semester, we'd buy 00:09:00books back from the students. And I remember when the first professor came up to sell me this book, I told him we weren't going to buy his book, he got it free, if he wanted to give it to us, (both laugh) we would take it. One of the interesting things to me was, of course, I spent five and a half years in Lexington at UK. And higher education was different than--and being a part of the faculty was different than I had envisioned. I had taught economics for a college at--called the Michigan College of Mining and Technology when I was in the Air Force. And I had--all my notes were fresh, and it was kind of fun. I'm going 00:10:00to be very frank with you. The faculty members sometimes are too hard on each other. And I couldn't--I thought--prior to my experiencing that, I thought it would be the most pleasant place in the world. But faculty members are kind of tough sometimes. Another funny part was we graduated our first class in '67, and we had--a lot of them wanted to go to UK. And I had a young lady come in that said she had sent her transcript--and I've forgotten the dean's name at that time, had written back and said that the University of Kentucky Senate hadn't approved the acceptance of community college students at UK. And at 00:11:00that time, we had--they had begun one in Madisonville, Henderson, and Owensboro and so forth. And I knew his name -- I can't call it right now -- and that caught my attention. And I knew him at that time, and so I called him. And he told me the University Senate hadn't approved community college students at UK. And I said, "Let me tell you something, Dean. That's fine. And if you want to have a meeting with them, fine. But from now on, when students come in here that want to go to higher education, I'm going to send them to Murray, Western, and Austin Peay, because they're a lot closer and a lot cheaper." And don't you know that was about nine o'clock in the morning. He called me back at two o'clock that afternoon and he said, "The University Senate met and approved the acceptance of the community college students." And 00:12:00we didn't have any problem after that. But it was a fine--it was a super experience. Overall I was so proud of how we were able to open our doors for the first class. And I remember the lady that taught chemistry, she came in two days before school started and needed a gallon of grain alcohol. And I thought, "Well, how in the world am I going to go buy grain alcohol?" Well fortunately, I knew everybody in Hopkinsville, because I'd lived here. And I went to the drugstore, Wood's Drugstore, and I said, "Mr. Pharmacist, I need a gallon of grain alcohol, and I'm going to pick it up as soon as you get it. And I want you to charge me for anything you want to, but don't charge me for 00:13:00grain alcohol. I couldn't explain that to the press (O'Hara laughs) if they found that." And then about a month later--this was Miss Elizabeth Claiborne; her brother was Jerry Claiborne who played football at UK. He was a head coach at Maryland, and he was head coach at UK. And about a month later, she came in and said she needed another gallon. And (laughs) I took it in to her and shut the door, and I said, "Miss Claiborne, anytime you need to do some unusual experiments with this grain alcohol, I'll be glad to help you." (both laugh) I got along with them. And the whole thing was just a--was a wonderful experience. But after about five years, this other opportunity presented itself, and 00:14:00I started with the Area Development District, stayed 24 years. And then I lived on a farm. So I was renting the farm, but--I didn't have to be there all the time. But I decided that I wanted to do something different, and I went to appraisal school and am a certified general property appraiser. And then I ran for the General Assembly and served four terms in Frankfort, and enjoyed that. But the best thing in the world that ever happened to me is when I got beat and I got to return home. I enjoy bush-hogging as much as I do anything. I don't have to talk to people; I don't have to do strategies or nothing; I just have that tractor to drive and keep that farm looking good. That kind of 00:15:00gives you an early history of the experience. The blue building was the only one here when I left.
O'HARA: What is it called? Is it still here?
ADAMS: Yeah, it's still here. It's the one back over here. It's theblue brick building.
O'HARA: And what is it now? Do you know?
O'HARA: What is it used for now?
ADAMS: You know, I really don't know.
O'HARA: I'll have to go look at it.
ADAMS: I haven't been in it in a long time. The last time I was in it--of course, I know where my office was, and I think they still have in the lobby there the leadership of the community college, the chairmen and the vice-chairmen--all the first chairmen of the community college. And they were all super people and gave full support.
O'HARA: I'll have to walk over there after I get done here.
O'HARA: So it was the administration building, the classrooms,everything was in that one building.
ADAMS: Mm-mm, in one building, in one building.
O'HARA: And you--because of your experience, you were here from00:16:00groundbreaking and everything?
ADAMS: Well, I was here from before groundbreaking (both laugh) until weopened the doors. We had the groundbreaking in mid-fall of '64. And we were ready to go in September of '65. And I do, I take great pride. And when we opened the doors, we didn't have to look for anything or missing anything. We had everything we needed to start with, including Charlie Wethington's typewriters. (O'Hara laughs)
O'HARA: I love that story. That's a great story. I can't wait to tellhim.
ADAMS: I can't wait for you to hear--I would love to hear what he hasto say.
O'HARA: Well, I'll have to get back with you because I'll give him acall. That's great. You had some great stories in there. I've got a few follow-up questions.
O'HARA: What--can you describe the size and the scope of HopkinsvilleCommunity College's campus during those five years? Did they build more buildings?
ADAMS: Well, during the five years I was here--this is a--this facilityhere and the technology center and the auditorium, this is on a 65-acre farm. I even remember when the local leadership purchased the 65 acres from Mr. E.G. Adams, Sr. And it was--it's the perfect spot for it. It's close to town, but it's far enough away that it doesn't create great traffic problems. And then the Breathitt Veterinary Laboratory 00:18:00-- that's for animal health -- is right across the street there from North Drive. And we had a number of part-time faculty members that worked at the Breathitt Veterinary Laboratory. But the--I will mention that we did have a junior college here called Bethel College. It had been here for, gosh, I don't know how long. But their numbers had gotten pretty low, and I'm sure some feelings were hurt that we were going to have a community college, and eventually Bethel closed. But the only building--the first permanent building was the big blue building up here in the back. You can't see it from the street. But that's what my job was.
O'HARA: Wow. Wow, you have got a lot to share. I've got several00:19:00questions. One, I want to follow up on something you just said about Bethel College. Do you recall when they opened or closed, or if they were city-funded or anything?
ADAMS: I don't recall when they opened, but my wife went to BethelCollege for two years, and then she went to Western and got a B.S. and master's degree at Western. And she taught out here for, I don't know, 15, 20 twenty years.
ADAMS: And then this facility worked with Fort Campbell and had classesout at Fort Campbell from the Hopkinsville Community and Technical College System, which was a good thing for both. It gave the troops an opportunity for higher education and vice versa.
O'HARA: Now, that's a unique arrangement, because Elizabethtown has a00:20:00base near them, but you're the only other one that does. And I was wondering, being a Veteran yourself, and the close proximity with Fort Campbell, were you involved in those early agreements with the base? And could you tell me more about that?
ADAMS: Well, no, I wasn't involved in the early--those--that really tookplace after I left, that they made arrangements to teach classes at Fort Campbell.
O'HARA: Interesting, interesting. You also mentioned--and I loved thestory about the transfer credit with UK. That brings me to another question. Some of the community colleges had transfer agreements with the regional colleges as well as UK. Were you involved in establishing some transfer agreements with Western, Murray and other ones?
ADAMS: We didn't have any problem whatsoever with--I didn't as a00:21:00recorder, or whatever you call that person. I kept the transcripts, and when a youngster would want to go to Murray or Western or Austin Peay, I'd just--I knew the people down there, and it was more just a letter and a stamped transcript, and there was no problem at all.
O'HARA: So no problem like you encountered at UK? Wow, fascinating.So that's interesting. Do you know, was the Hopkinsville Community College able to maintain those relationships all these decades?
ADAMS: Yes, yes, they have.
O'HARA: Without any problem?
ADAMS: Yes, they have.
O'HARA: Great. Interesting. Wonderful. Before opening HopkinsvilleCommunity College, you worked with, as you mentioned, Dr. Ellis Hartford at the community college-- head of the community college 00:22:00system at UK's main campus. You mentioned traveling around the state. What was your role?
ADAMS: Well, I can't remember all of the details, but Dr. Hartford andI got to be good friends. And he'd say, "Well, you need to go down to Somerset this week and speak to so-and-so and ask him how he's getting along, ask him if there's anything that we can do from Lexington to be helpful." It was a P.R.-type of job. The relationships between--Ellis Hartford was just a super nice guy. He had been head of the council on public education in Frankfort before he moved back to Lexington. He had--came from Lexington and went to Frankfort and went back. And I 00:23:00remember when I went to work for him, we didn't even have signs on the doors. I can't remember the name of the little building, but it was there close to the Herman L. Donovan--president's office. And so the first job I did was I put signs on the door. Everybody knew where we were, anyway.
O'HARA: That's great. Did you happen to work with--I think it was R.D.Johnson or --
ADAMS: Yes, I did.
O'HARA: --A.D. Albright?
ADAMS: R.D. Johnson, I worked with, and Dr. Albright also.
O'HARA: And they both--did they work at that time--at the same time?Did they work for Dean Hartford or just in other positions at the University?
ADAMS: You'd have to ask somebody else. I know R.D. Johnson was--hisoffice was in our building. And Dr. Albright's office was in the 00:24:00Herman L. Donovan Building, as I remember.
O'HARA: I think he might have been vice president by that time. I knewhe had started off in the late '50s, early '60s, with the--what was known as the university centers, before they became community colleges. But I think you're right; I think he became V.P. by '64.
ADAMS: I remember as a legislator, when they started--wanted to combinethe community colleges with the technical colleges, that was hard for me. I didn't vote for it. Of course, it passed, and it was probably the thing to do, instead of having another huge administration, to have them all put together. And Mike McCall, when I got in the General Assembly, and I got to be friends. He was down here when the last 00:25:00president left, and he conducted a meeting. And what I remember about that--that hasn't been that long ago. I had it over in the auditorium. It was the questions that were asked, not by the general public, but by the staff members, that I told myself, "It hadn't changed a bit since we--."
O'HARA: Really? Isn't that interesting!
ADAMS: That's just a characteristic of higher education. And of course,my wife was a--she's got more than two master's degrees now, but--and she's retired. But she didn't let it bother her.
O'HARA: What are the typical questions that faculty members bring upthat have stayed over the years? I'm just curious.
ADAMS: Well, they didn't come to me. I've heard shouting matches00:26:00between the director and faculty members and the librarian. And I didn't have any problem with them; I got along with them. But it was more between the faculty and the leadership.
O'HARA: And the faculty has a lot of say on a--like you pointed outearlier, have a lot of say on ----------(??).
ADAMS: Well, the only explanation that really kind of makes some senseis that, you know, we were always looking to find more resources to do more things. And there's some competition for that, and whether it goes into one area or another, the director has to make that choice. When he does, he makes some mad and some happy. 00:27:00
O'HARA: Can't make everybody happy at once. Interesting. Well, mynext question has to do with the first director, Thomas L. Riley, was a former faculty member of the Northern Center. And then he came to be director of Hopkinsville Community College, I guess, when it opened in 1965. In 1968, I found a statement in the archives at UK, where he described the loss of a college tradition called the 'freshman beanie." Are you familiar with this? And if so, could you describe the purpose and significance of this tradition at Hopkinsville?
ADAMS: I don't know what--what did you say? Freshman what?
O'HARA: Beanie. It was some sort of a hat that freshmen wore, and I waswondering if there was a story behind it.
ADAMS: I never really thought about it. I don't ever remember buyingany beanies for sale at the bookstore. But that's a new one on me. I 00:28:00don't remember that at all.
O'HARA: Do you remember seeing students wearing them?
ADAMS: No, I don't ever remember seeing students wearing them.
O'HARA: Well, I hadn't heard it mentioned throughout any of my othercommunity college system interviews, but I saw that write-up and I thought, "Maybe there's a story there." But Mr. Riley's--Dr. Riley's widow, I believe, is still here. Is that correct?
ADAMS: No, she's in Lexington, I think.
O'HARA: Is she in Lexington? Well, I'm going to try to look her up,and she might know about that particular story. You mentioned the nursing program and it starting in the basement. What other programs did Hopkinsville Community College offer during those first five early years? And how did their program offerings differ from, like, 00:29:00Madisonville?
ADAMS: Well, Madisonville started after we started. And I remembervisiting there once or twice. But I remember the president of the Kiwanis Club was a dear friend of mine who's no longer with us, called me one day and said, "Adams--." he was president of the Kiwanis Club. He says, "You get a Circle K Club started out there, and I want it done in a hurry." And I had an English teacher that started some type of women's organization, and we had Circle K Clubs and Women's Clubs. And then they would be invited to go down to lunch at the Kiwanis Club during the week. And it kind of got the community college a little 00:30:00better known out in the community, that it wasn't just a big bunch of buildings out here with people just going to school. And I recall her name too. Becky Williams was an English teacher, and she and I were dear friends, still are. But we were competitive on who could do most. And then one of the professors is now the county historian that has records and pictures of the early days of the--like the first commencement that we had. And what I remember about that was Ned Breathitt was going to be the speaker, but he couldn't get here. But he was going to do it over the telephone. And his time to speak, I got him on the telephone, and he spoke to the students and the mommas 00:31:00and daddies who were very proud of their students. And it took us a little while to get the social side of college education floating a little bit. We had dances and all that sort of stuff. And they used to be fun, to watch them have a good time, and back in the days when certain cocktails weren't available (Adams laughs) in the area, and it was safe. And the nurses program has come into its own and supplies a lot of--I ask every time I go to the doctor that they--a nurse that takes your blood pressure or whatever, I ask them where they went to school, and a lot of them came from the Hopkinsville Community College or the Madisonville Community College. As an asset to this community, 00:32:00I don't think of anything that's made a bigger impression or influence on this community.
O'HARA: It's really penetrated --
ADAMS: It was--the thing that I remember, when I went to UK, the tuitionwas $85 a semester. The tuition when I was here at the community college was something like $135 a semester. Now I hate to even think what it costs for tuition at a university.
O'HARA: Especially in the last five or six years. Oh, it's--I've heardit's very high. I don't know right know. I've been graduated a couple years.
O'HARA: But yeah, higher education prices have really skyrocketed.
O'HARA: And the Kentucky Community and Technical College System stillhas probably the lowest in the state, I would imagine. And that's 00:33:00good, because they're able to serve the community. Area technology centers offered technical diploma and certificate-level programs to postsecondary populations in some parts of Kentucky. During your tenure at Hopkinsville Community College, was there any coordination between the community college and area technology centers?
ADAMS: Yes, there was communication, certainly between the secondaryeducation technology schools. We had a lot of contact with them. Obviously, we wanted their students here when they were--you know, when they were available, but we didn't have any conflicts between 00:34:00secondary schools and the community college. The community college staff members, a lot of them took leadership positions in a number of the civic clubs, and that's a good reputation for a community college.
O'HARA: It is good. For a local community -- you've mentioned many ofthese civic organizations -- there were cultural and economic benefits involved in community college development. Some of the community colleges would bring in state and national lecturers or performers and singers. How did Hopkinsville Community College serve the local community in this capacity?
ADAMS: Well, while I was here, we didn't have a great deal of that as00:35:00they do now, because I see a lot of reasons to have state and national figures come and visit and make lectures, and they do quite a bit of that now, as I mentioned earlier, Mike McCall's coming down to--when they were looking for a new director. But they've done an admirable job of having outside speakers, and the students and faculty attend it quite regularly. A lot of town meetings on controversial subjects are held in our auditorium. 00:36:00
ADAMS: So the facilities are being used.
O'HARA: That's great. That's definitely serving the community in manydifferent ways. Some of the community colleges had student activities that included basketball and baseball in the late 1960s. Do you recall any formation of --
ADAMS: No, we didn't have any baseball or basketball teams. But we dohave--and I'll call the name -- it was Frances Thomas -- who was an English teacher, and we have some statues and something else out here on the northern--on the western edge of the campus that is cultural in nature, and they always have an annual gathering there to tell of 00:37:00what these people did. And she was a very well known and respected professor here who's retired now.
O'HARA: Neat. Quite a different--every community college has their ownunique programs and identity and history, and that's what makes them so unique.
You mentioned the county historian. Are you speaking of William Turner?
ADAMS: William Turner, yes.
O'HARA: Great. I'm going to interview him this afternoon.
ADAMS: Well, fine. You tell him that I said hi. William was--has been,of course, a professor out here for years and is the county historian. I found on my farm a rock that had some shells in it, and I took them to the county historian, William Turner, and I said, "I want you--the 00:38:00county historian, I want you to tell me how old this rock is." He said, "We'll use it for desk-weighter." (both laugh)
O'HARA: I like that. Yeah. I expected you to say he was going to sendyou to some sort of a rock specialist.
ADAMS: Well, he was the county historian, so I figured he'd know how tofind that out.
O'HARA: He put it to good use, didn't he?
O'HARA: (laughs) Interesting. I think you have answered all myquestions in your great stories. I mean, you had several really interesting stories. Do you have any more stories you'd like to share about those early days?
ADAMS: Well, it was--all I have to say, I feel certainly honored thatyou asked me to come do this, because it was one experience--job experience in my lifetime that I thoroughly enjoyed. And as far as the taxpayers' money being well spent, it's been well spent at the 00:39:00Hopkinsville Community and Technical College System, as well as the others across the Commonwealth.
O'HARA: Well, you've added a lot. You're the first individual thatI've had the pleasure of interviewing who was here from before groundbreaking.
O'HARA: I mean, your experience and your experience at the system levelmakes you very unique.
ADAMS: Well, what I was -- and I'm repeating myself now -- was so proudof is from day one, there was nothing that we didn't--nothing that we needed that we didn't have. Even through the registration process, I got a local company to do a--not a phone book, but a student directory with the students' names, addresses, and telephone numbers. 00:40:00
O'HARA: Really? You had all that printed up before school started?
ADAMS: Well, no. It was shortly after.
O'HARA: Oh, because you had to get --
ADAMS: We had to find out who they were.
ADAMS: And I was kind of proud of that.
O'HARA: I would be! You sound highly organized, and you had a role inso many little things that are extremely important, everything from getting the--you know, helping the chemistry teacher.
O'HARA: Helping the chemistry teacher.
ADAMS: Yeah. (both laugh) Oh, it was fun, it was fun. There wasn'tanything I wouldn't do for them.
O'HARA: To working with the engineers and getting the building open.
ADAMS: Well, I knew him personally, so that wasn't any problem. So --
O'HARA: Sounds like you're a man of all trades.
ADAMS: Well, it was a good opportunity, and I'd been a purchasing--Iwas a base procurement officer for my Air Force--while I was in the Air Force. And it was a super experience and helped me very much with doing public service. I knew where to go and who to see, and that's a 00:41:00lot easier than trying to guess. But I loved that call to the dean of admissions, and he said, "The Faculty Senate hadn't approved--." And I said, "Well, that's fine. We'll send them to Murray and Western and Austin Peay." And he called me back at two o'clock and (laughs) --
O'HARA: Like they'd really met (laughs).
O'HARA: That's amazing. That was a great answer.
ADAMS: And I really do appreciate--this place means a lot to me. Andmy wife spent many years out here, and she taught out here and at Fort Campbell too.
O'HARA: Oh, at both. It sounds like--I mean, you're still makingcontributions to this day. And I know the community has really benefited from them all.
One last question, the relationship between the University of Kentuckyand its community colleges was unique across the nation. What were the benefits and the drawbacks of Hopkinsville Community College's relationship with the University of Kentucky during your tenure? 00:42:00
ADAMS: Well, we would have at least one annual meeting of the directorsand bursar-recorders and stuff like that in Lexington for a couple or three days. And it's always helpful to learn of other people's experiences and what did you do to solve them. We did that annually. And the bursar-recorders would meet maybe once or twice more a year about different difficulties and who was causing problems at UK (laughs) and how we got around it and all that sort of thing. It's been mutually beneficial to UK and the community colleges. And we got 00:43:00along with Murray and Western and Austin Peay. We knew each other.
O'HARA: It sounds like it worked out quite well. Well, I think thatHopkinsville is extremely fortunate to have someone with your knowledge and experience come back and --
ADAMS: Well, you're being awfully gracious.
O'HARA: I don't know of any other community who had someone coming fromthe system's office, where you'd already been exposed to other community colleges, bringing that knowledge back here and setting everything up.
O'HARA: I mean, I think that's why it went so smoothly. I mean, it justseems so obvious to me. So I mean, I'm just tickled that you took the time out of your day to meet with me today.
ADAMS: I feel honored that you invited me.
O'HARA: Thank you so much. And if you think of any more great stories,I'd love to come back and visit you.
ADAMS: I just wanted to tell Charlie Wethington about those IBMSelectric typewriters that Maysville Community College paid for.
O'HARA: Oh, I can't forget that one. I can't wait to call him.00:44:00
ADAMS: And when I introduced him, I said, "Charlie the statute oflimitations has run out, and you can't do anything about it."
O'HARA: That's great. Oh, perfect timing. Well, thank you so much, Mr.Adams, I appreciate it.
ADAMS: Okay. Where do you want me--
[End of interview.]