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00:00:00 - Music in the magnetic age

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Partial Transcript: Okay, let's see, we're going to sit here, right?

Segment Synopsis: Thomas, guitarist for bands Pere Ubu and Rocket from the Tombs, discusses the changes in music since the advent of magnetic recording. He talks about recording his first album. Thomas also talks about his belief that music is recreating space.

Keywords: 30 Seconds Over Tokyo (Song); Acoustics; Audio Recording; Baffles; Cavanaugh, Bill; Classical music; Cleveland Recording; Electric Lady Land (Album); Guitars; Johnson, Robert (Artist); Listeners; Magnetic; Magnetic age; Microphone, placement of; Music; Musicians; Paul, Les; Performances; Recording studios; Recording, magnetic; Rock music; Rocket from the Tombs (Artist); Sound; Space; Thomas, Dave; Thomas, David; Tone

Subjects: Guitar; History of science and technology; Johnson, Robert, 1911-1938.; Magnetism.; Microphone; Music; Paul, Les; Performances; Rock music; Rocket from the Tombs (Musical group); Sound; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Space; Thomas, Dave; Tone

GPS: Cleveland (Ohio)
Map Coordinates: 41.482222, -81.669722
00:08:42 - Process of studio recording

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Partial Transcript: Uh, okay, that all said, and I don't necessarily disagree with any of it, um, you touched on a lot of issues there.

Segment Synopsis: Thomas describes the process of recording an album using the example of Pere Ubu's album 'Ray Gun Suitcase' which was recorded at Cleveland Recording with audio engineers Paul Hamann and Kenneth Hamann.

Keywords: Bass; Drums; Folk music; Guitars, bass; Hamann, Ken; Hamann, Kenneth Richard; Hamann, Paul; Instruments; Lyricists; Lyrics; Music producers; Overdubbing; Pere Ubu (Artist); Ray Gun Suitcase (Album); Recording; Recording studios; Rehearsals; Songs; Suma Recording Studio; Thomas, Dave (Artist); Thomas, David (Artist)

Subjects: Bass guitar; Drums; Guitar; Hamann, Paul; History of science and technology; Instruments and music; Lyricists; Lyrics; Music; Père Ubu (Musical group); Songs; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Thomas, Dave

GPS: Cleveland (Ohio)
Map Coordinates: 41.482222, -81.669722
00:22:17 - Recording with Ken and Paul Hamann at Suma Recording Studio

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Partial Transcript: Um, can I ask you to go back and say something more about when, when you--what you just spoke about, um, the way you worked in the studio had a lot to do with the particular personalities involved.

Segment Synopsis: Thomas describes recording with Ken and Paul Hamann at Suma Recording in Cleveland (Ohio). He talks about how he worked with them and why he has continued to work with them.

Keywords: Advision Studios; Cleveland (Ohio); England; Folk music; Hague, Stephen; Hamann, Kenneth Richard; Hamann, Paul; Hussein, Saddam; London (England); Music producers; New Order (Artist); Pennsylvania; Pet Shop Boys (Artist); Phonogram; Phonogram, Inc.; Record companies; Record labels; Robertson, Jaime “Robbie” (Artist); Somerville, Jimmy (Artist); Suma Recording Studio

Subjects: Cleveland (Ohio); England; Folk music.; Hague, Stephen; Hamann, Paul; History of science and technology; Hussein, Saddam, 1937-2006.; London (England); Music; New Order (Musical group); Pennsylvania; Pet Shop Boys; Record labels; Robertson, Robbie.; Somerville, Jimmy; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Thomas, Dave

GPS: Cleveland (Ohio)
Map Coordinates: 41.482222, -81.669722
00:28:41 - Dark age of sound

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Partial Transcript: Absolutely, I, I--we've talked about that.

Segment Synopsis: Thomas describes what he terms the 'dark of age of sound,' caused by the homogenization of music. He notes that this is why he feels vinyl records have increased in popularity in recent years.

Keywords: 1984 (Book); Analog; Brave New World (Book); Digital; Nostalgia; Postmodernism; Recording; Recording, acoustic; Recording, analog; Recording, digital; Recording, magnetic; Records, kinds of: vinyl; Snare drums; Technology; Thomas, Dave (Artist); Thomas, David (Artist); Wisdom; X-files (Television program)

Subjects: Brave new world; History of science and technology; Magnetism; Music; Nostalgia.; Postmodernism.; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Technology.; Thomas, Dave; Wisdom.; X-files (Television program)

00:35:12 - Reasons for choosing a recording studio with high-tech equipment

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Partial Transcript: Back to what you were saying, though--

Segment Synopsis: Thomas discusses the reasons why a musical group or artist may choose a recording studio with high-tech equipment if they want a commercial hit, due to the compression that happens in radio station broadcasts and on speakers at clubs.

Keywords: Audio devices; Baffles; Broadcasting; Cavanaugh, Bill; Compression; Digital; Distortion; Engineer’s Scrapbook (Album); Hamann, Ken; Hamann, Kenneth Richard; Hamann, Paul; Human Beinz, the (Artist); James Gang, the (Artist); Lemon Pipers, the (Artist); Magnetic; Microphones, Neumann; Microphones, tube; Money; Outsiders, the (Artist); Pere Ubu (Artist); Performances; Polka music; Radio stations; Recording; Recording studios; Recording, digital; Recording, magnetic; Snare drums; Speakers; Suma Recording Studio; Thomas, Dave (Artist); Thomas, David (Artist)

Subjects: Broadcasting; History of science and technology; Human Beinz (Musical group); James Gang (Musical group); Lemon Pipers; Magnetism; Microphone; Money; Music; Outsiders (Musical group); Performances; Père Ubu (Musical group); Polka music; Radio stations; Snare drum; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Thomas, Dave

00:47:23 - Women in rock music

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Partial Transcript: Well, there was a sense that we were all on the verge of something important.

Segment Synopsis: Thomas discusses why he considers women in rock and roll to be 'honorary men.' He also talks about how rock music is a test of manhood and is linked to sexuality.

Keywords: Athletes; Brotherhoods; Hamann, Ken; Hamann, Kenneth Richard; Honorary men; Men; Musicians; Rock music; Rock ’n’ Roll; Sex; Sexism; Sexuality; Sisterhoods; Thomas, Dave (Artist); Thomas, David (Artist); Women

Subjects: Athletes; History of science and technology; Music; Musicians; Rock music; Sex; Sexism; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Thomas, Dave; Women

00:53:08 - Recording at Cleveland Recording

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Partial Transcript: So, did you record 30 Seconds Over Tokyo at Audio and then--

Segment Synopsis: Thomas discusses recording the album 'Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo' at Cleveland Recording. They talk about the location of the recording studio and Horning Schmidt's band, the Poor Girls.

Keywords: 30 Seconds Over Tokyo (Song); Audio Recording; Audio devices; Buckley, Tim (Artist); Chevrolet dealerships; Cleveland (Ohio); Cleveland Recording; Cleveland State University; Echo (reverberation) chambers; Hamann, Ken; Hamann, Kenneth Richard; Hamann, Paul; Hansen, John; Magnetic; Mastering; Pere Ubu; Pleasant Street (Song); Post-mixing; Raspberries, the (Artist); Recording, magnetic; Records, kinds of: acetate; Songs; Sound of Silence, the (Song); Stacey; Stacy; Suma Recording Studio; Sweet Leaf (song); Thomas, Dave (Artist); Thomas, David (Artist); WDOK (Radio station); Wolf, Fred

Subjects: Buckley, Tim; Cleveland (Ohio); Cleveland State University; Hamann, Paul; Hansen, John; History of science and technology; Magnetism; Music; Pere Ubu (Musical group); Raspberries (Musical group); Songs; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Thomas, Dave; Wolf, Fred

GPS: Cleveland (Ohio)
Map Coordinates: 41.482222, -81.669722
00:57:06 - Analog and digital recording

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Partial Transcript: Yeah, well it's--all that equipment is, um, you know, well again it's, it's, it's using magnetics.

Segment Synopsis: Thomas discusses the differences between analog and digital recording. The two also talk about the idea of 'cold' and 'warm' sound.

Keywords: Analog; Cold; Coldness; Columbus (Ohio); Digital; Frequencies; Hamann, Ken; Hamann, Kenneth Richard; Magnetic; Recording, analog; Recording, digital; Recording, magnetic; Serendipity; Thomas, Dave (Artist); Thomas, David (Artist); Thompson, Richard (Artist); Warm; Warmth

Subjects: Cold; Columbus (Ohio); Frequency; History of science and technology; Magnetism; Music; Serendipity; Sound; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Thomas, Dave; Thompson, Richard

GPS: Columbus (Ohio)
Map Coordinates: 39.983333, -82.983333
01:03:19 - Role of the audio engineer and music producer in recording

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Partial Transcript: Um, well, that's interesting.

Segment Synopsis: Thomas describes the roles of music producers and audio engineers in the recording process. He also talks about how the music producer is more involved with the musicians and the audio engineer is more removed.

Keywords: Advision Studios; Audio engineers; Hague, Stephen; Hamann, Ken; Hamann, Kenneth Richard; Multi-tracking; Music producers; Overdubbing; Post-World War II; Recording; Recording studios; Recording, direct to disc; Recording, tape; Thomas, Dave (Artist); Thomas, David (Artist)

Subjects: Hague, Stephen; History of science and technology; Music; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Thomas, Dave

01:09:10 - Recording as 'recreating space'

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Partial Transcript: Uh, I think you have to, you have to address, at some point, the nature of sound.

Segment Synopsis: Thomas describes how there was a change in the perception of sound with the advent of magnetic recording. He then talks about recording as a way to recreate space, which he feels is the primary job of the studio.

Keywords: Army; Cleveland Recording; Domestic violence; Echoes; Jagger, Michael “Mick”; Jagger, Mick; Music; Performances; Presley, Elvis (Artist); Recording; Recording, magnetic; Records, kinds of: lacquer masters; Reverberation; Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum; Rock music; Rock ’n’ roll; Space; Subconsciousness; Thomas, Dave (Artist); Thomas, David (Artist); Turner, Ike (Artist); Turner, Tina (Artist); U.S. Army; Yankovic, Frankie (Artist)

Subjects: History of science and technology; Jagger, Mick.; Magnetism; Music; Performances; Presley, Elvis, 1935-1977.; Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum; Rock music; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Space; Subconsciousness.; Thomas, Dave; Turner, Ike; Turner, Tina; Yankovic, Frank

01:18:12 - Brian Wilson and the lost 'Smile' album

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Partial Transcript: Yeah, there were other people involved in that uh--

Segment Synopsis: Thomas talks about he finds the idea of a rock and roll hall of fame to be antithetical to rock and roll. The two then talk about Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys and the lost 'Smile' album, playing excerpts from the song 'Good Vibrations.'

Keywords: Beach Boys, the (Artist); Beatles, the (Artist); Blue Velvet (Song); Brian Wilson (Album); Drugs; Fagenson, Don; Fox, Jim (Artist); Fox, Jimmy (Artist); Good Vibrations (Song); Greenman, Ben; History; I am Brian Wilson: A Memoir (Book); Jones, Jimmy (Artist); Kenton Civic Auditorium; Magnificent Ambersons, the (Motion picture); Memories; Mental illness; Mozart, Wolfgang Amadeus; Parks, Van Dyke; Pet Sounds (Album); Records, kinds of: acetate; Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum; Smile (Album); Soul music; Thomas, Dave (Artist); Thomas, David (Artist); Turntables; Was, Don; Welles, Orson; Wilson, Brian (Artist); Wilson, Murray; Z Records; Zilka, Michael

Subjects: Beach Boys (Artist); Beach Boys. Pet sounds; Beach Boys. Smile.; Beatles (Artist); Beatles (Musical group); Drugs; Fox, Jimmy; Greenman, Ben; History; History of science and technology; Jones, Jimmy (Singer); Magnificent Ambersons (Motion picture); Mental illness.; Mozart, Wolfgang Amadeus, 1756-1791.; Music; Parks, Van Dyke; Rock and roll hall of fame and museum; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Thomas, Dave; Was, Don; Welles, Orson, 1915-1985.; Wilson, Brian, 1942-; Wilson, Murry

01:30:58 - Ken Hamann

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Partial Transcript: And which ties in with the whole thing with Ken.

Segment Synopsis: Thomas discusses audio engineer Ken Hamann. He talks about why he feels that working with Ken Hamann was a 'voyage of discovery' that was spiritual in nature.

Keywords: Cavanaugh, Bill; Clay, Al; Hamann, Ken; Hermann, Kenneth Richard; London (England); Mayfair Recording; Meegan, Dave; Muslims, Sufi; Norton, Gil; Sufi Muslims; Sufis; Sufism; Suma Recording Studio; Thomas, Dave (Artist); Thomas, David (Artist)

Subjects: History of science and technology; Music; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Sufism.; Thomas, Dave

01:34:33 - Academics and the history of music

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Partial Transcript: --ns you know, fear words. They, they, they, they're--musicians tend to be inarticulate.

Segment Synopsis: Thomas discusses his belief that musicians tend to be inarticulate; however, they are poets. He also talks about his issue with academics and their study of the history of music.

Keywords: Academics; African Americans; Archives; Australia; Boddie Recording; Boddie, Thomas; Boddie, Tom; Buckley, Tim (Artist); Culture; Cutler, Chris; Dylan, Bob (Artist); Edison, Thomas; Ford, Henry; Frith, Fred; Frith, Simon; Hamann, Ken; Hamann, Kenneth Richard; Musicians; Ochs, Phil (Artist); Poets; Recording; Recording studios; Recording tape; Rock music; Rock ’n’ roll; Schneider Recording Studio; Schneider, Hank; Schneider, Kay; Secrets; Sociologists; Sociology; Sound; Thomas, Dave (Artist); Thomas, David (Artist); University of Akron

Subjects: African America; Australia; Buckley, Tim; Culture; Cutler, Chris; Dylan, Bob, 1941-; Edison, Thomas A. (Thomas Alva), 1847-1931.; Ford, Henry; Frith, Fred; Frith, Simon; History of science and technology; Music; Musicians; Ochs, Phil; Poets; Rock music; Schneider, Hank; Sociologists; Sociology; Sound; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Thomas, Dave; University of Akron

01:47:54 - Rock and roll and American culture

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Partial Transcript: But I have a fairly pessimistic view of, of what happened in, between 1975 and '78.

Segment Synopsis: Thomas discusses how rock and roll can only be adequately played by Americans. He then talks about a journey he undertook for Spin Magazine, traveling to Siberia, Russia in order to study rock and roll there.

Keywords: Africans; Arctic Circle; Asians; Beatles, the (Artist); Can (Artist); Clemens, Samuel “Mark Twain”; Cleveland (Ohio); Colonialism; Counter-revolutions; Cronkite, Walter; Culture; Dark Side of the Moon (Album); Electric guitars; Europeans; Garage bands; Geography; Germany; Guitars, electric; Ikoots; India; Inuits; Isolation; Jennings, Peter; Kyzyl (Russia); Language; Lennon, John; Life on the Mississippi (Book); Mongolia; Moscow (Russia); National Science Foundation (NSF); Presidents; Punk movement; Punk music; Racism; Rock music; Rock ’n’ roll; Russians; Siberia (Russia); Spin Magazine; St. Petersburg (Russia); Synthesizers; Thomas, Dave (Artist); Thomas, David (Artist); Tundra; Tuva (Russia); United States of America; Winfrey, Oprah

Subjects: Africans; Asians; Beatles (Musical group); Can (Musical group); Clemens, Samuel Langhorne, 1835-1910.; Cleveland (Ohio); Cronkite, Walter.; Culture; Dark side of the moon; Electric guitar.; Europeans; Germany; History of science and technology; India; Inuit.; Jennings, Peter; Kyzyl (Tuva, Russia); Lennon, John, 1940-1980.; Moscow (Russia); Music; Presidents.; Punk rock music.; Racism; Siberia (Russia); Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; St. Petersburg (Russia); Synthesizer (Musical instrument); Thomas, Dave; Tuva (Russia); Winfrey, Oprah.

GPS: Siberia (Russia)
Map Coordinates: 60, 105
02:01:32 - Teaching

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Partial Transcript: Nobody knows anything and what does it matter anymore.

Segment Synopsis: Thomas and Schmidt Horning discuss her aspirations as an educator. He also waxes poetic on the limited abilities of the younger generation.

Keywords: Culture; Dissertations; Education; Faulkner, William; History; Indian Givers; Interviews; Labels; Music; Native Americans; Punk movement; Songs; Students; Teaching; Thomas, Dave (Artist); Thomas, David (Artist)

Subjects: Culture; Education; Faulkner, William; Faulkner, William, 1897-1962.; History; History of science and technology; Interviews; Music; Native Americans; Punk rock music; Songs; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Students; Teaching.; Thomas, Dave

02:09:08 - Smoking

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Partial Transcript: I finally got my department to get me a dictaphone--

Segment Synopsis: Thomas and Schmidt Horning discuss how her department bought her a dictaphone and they talk about their struggles to stop smoking. Thomas also talks about the redefinition of private and public spaces.

Keywords: Apu Api (Help Me) (Song); Chi Pig (Artist); Children; Dictaphone; Fathers; Pirates Cove, the; Private; Public; Secondhand smoke; Smoking; Thomas, Dave (Artist); Thomas, David (Artist)

Subjects: Chi Pig (Musical group); Children; Dictating machines.; Fathers; History of science and technology; Music; Smoking; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Thomas, Dave

02:13:57 - Fascism and the United States of America

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Partial Transcript: It's--but--what I'm, what I'm--over the last few years have been so astonished at is how s--how really visionary Aldous Huxley and Orwell were, 'cause they really got it right.

Segment Synopsis: Thomas discusses how Oprah Winfrey and Phil Donohue are responsible for the rise of fascism in the United States of America through their elimination of the American personality.

Keywords: 1984 (Book); American Civil Liberties Union; Brave New World (Book); Donohue, Phil; Fascism; Goebbels, Joseph; Government; Huxley, Aldous; Judges; Judicial system; Juries; Legal system; Responsibility; Thomas, Dave (Artist); Thomas, David (Artist); United States; United States of America; Winfrey, Oprah

Subjects: American Civil Liberties Union.; Fascism; Goebbels, Joseph, 1897-1945.; History of science and technology; Huxley, Aldous, 1894-1963.; Huxley, Aldous, 1894-1963. Brave new world.; Music; Responsibility.; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Thomas, Dave; United States.; Winfrey, Oprah

02:18:17 - Violence, history, and society

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Partial Transcript: It's still, this--the whole argument about, about violence, that nob--in, in, in the media, that nobody brings up, it's never an argument, is that it makes--it conditions you to more violence.

Segment Synopsis: Thomas and Schmidt Horning discuss violence and the media, which they feel conditions someone to violent acts. He also talks about the Holocaust and his frustration with historians who try to find the reason why it occurred.

Keywords: Capitol punishment; Cowboys; Crime; Criminals; Dawn of the Dead (Motion picture); Death row; Death squads; England; Freedom; Germany; Heaven’s Gate; Holocaust; Motion pictures; Movies; Nazis; Plain Dealer, the; Puritans; Schutzstaffel; Television; Terrorism; Thomas, Dave (Artist); Thomas, David (Artist); Victorian era; Victorians; Violence; X-Files, the (Television program)

Subjects: Cowboys.; Crime.; Criminals; Dawn of the dead (Motion picture : 1978); Death row.; England; Freedom; Germany; Heaven's Gate (Organization); Holocaust.; Motion pictures; Nazis.; Plain Dealer (Firm); Puritans.; Television; Terrorism.; Thomas, Dave; Violence.; X-files (Television program)

02:36:00 - Cultural geography

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Partial Transcript: Have you run, across, the--that cultural geography of that, that professor out at Clark University in Worchester, Massachusetts?

Segment Synopsis: Thomas and Schmidt Horning discuss the study of cultural geography, including a discussion of historian and writer Fernand Braudel.

Keywords: Braudel, Fernand; Clark University; Cultural geography; Culture; Geography; History; Land; Mediterranean and the Mediterranean World in the Age of Philip II, the (Book); Rivers; Thomas, Dave (Artist); Thomas, David (Artist); Wheels of Commerce, the (Book)

Subjects: Braudel, Fernand.; Braudel, Fernand. Méditerranée et le monde méditerranéen à l'époque de Philippe II. English; Clark University (Atlanta, Ga.); Cultural geography.; Culture; History; Rivers; Thomas, Dave

02:42:03 - The Internet

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Partial Transcript: You can only understand things in terms of the big picture.

Segment Synopsis: Thomas and Schmidt Horning talk about the Internet, which encourages immediate gratification.

Keywords: Fans; Internet; Jupiter; Thomas, Dave (Artist); Thomas, David (Artist); Thurman, Uma; Winfrey, Oprah; World Wide Web

Subjects: Artists; Fans.; Internet.; Jupiter; Thomas, Dave; Thurman, Uma; Winfrey, Oprah

02:47:43 - Music and art

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Partial Transcript: But, um, it's the sa--it's exactly the same.

Segment Synopsis: Thomas and Schmidt Horning discuss music and art. He also talks about the fact that the Internet encourages post-modernism.

Keywords: A&R (artist and repertoire); A&R department; Artists; Bates, David; Internet; Jewel box; Phonogram Records; Records, kinds of: vinyl; Socialism; Software; Sony Corporation; Thomas, Dave (Artist); Thomas, David (Artist); Welfare

Subjects: History of science and technology; Internet; Music; Socialism; Sony Corporation; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Thomas, Dave