Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History

Interview with David Sarser, January 20, 1999

Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries
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00:00:00 - Background

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Partial Transcript: It's January 20th, 1999.

Segment Synopsis: Sarser discusses his background as a violinist and talks about what drew him to pursue a career in audio engineering.

Keywords: Amplifiers; Cantelli, Guido; Concerts; Cross, Roderick; Cutting heads, RCA; Electronics; Heifetz, Jascha (Artist); High schools; Jacobsen, Sascha (Artist); Juilliard; Julliard Concert Hall; Julliard School, the; Kansas City (Mo.); Kansas City Convention Center; Kapell, William (Artist); Microphones, condenser; National Broadcasting Company (NBC); New York (N.Y.); Opera; Paul, Les; Pianists; Piano concertos; Radios; Recorders, RCA; Recorders, disc; Recorders, portable; Recording; Recording lathes; Roach, Ed; Sarser, David; Tchaikovsky, Peter; Tchaikovsky, Pyotr; Violin concertos; Violinists

Subjects: Cantelli, Guido; Electronics; Heifetz, Jascha, 1901-1987.; High schools; History of science and technology; Jacobsen, Sascha, 1895-1972; Kansas City (Mo.); Kapell, William, 1922-1953; Microphone; Music; National Broadcasting Company; New York (N.Y.); Opera; Paul, Les; Pianists; Radios; Roach, Ed; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Tchaikovsky, Peter Ilich, 1840-1893.; Violinists

GPS: Kansas City (Mo.)
Map Coordinates: 39.099722, -94.578333
00:08:24 - Amplifiers

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Partial Transcript: I decided to, to design amplifiers, to see if I could make--

Segment Synopsis: Sarser discusses how he was self-taught in the field of electronics. He talks about the magazines that talked about radio construction and repair, as well as the article from which he learned. Sarser then goes on to talk about the creation of his amplifiers, "The Musician's Amplifier," which he introduced at an Audio Engineering Society (AES) convention.

Keywords: "Musician's Amplifier”; Altec Lansing; Amplifiers; Amplifiers, Williamson; Audio Engineering Magazine; Audio Engineering Society (AES); Circuits; England; Heathkit; Musicians; New Yorker Hotel; Output transformers; Patents; Radio Magazine; Radio World; Radiotron; Sarser, David; Shaney, A.C.; Sprinkle, Mel; Transformers; Transformers, Altec Lansing; Williamson, D.T.N.

Subjects: Audio Engineering Society; England; History of science and technology; Music; Patents; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History

00:12:47 - Time in the Air Force

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Partial Transcript: If you--

Segment Synopsis: Sarser discusses his time in the United States Air Force during World War II. He then talks about his time as a violinist playing for the musical 'Winged Victory.'

Keywords: 20th Century Fox; Air Force; Armed Forces; Army; Army Emergency Relief; Arnold, Henry “Hap”; Draft board; Entertainment specialists; Fighter command; Firefighters; Fort Dix (N.J.); Hart, Moss; Infantry; Intercoms; Jefferson Barracks Military Post; Kansas City (Mo.); National Broadcasting Company (NBC); New York (N.Y.); Oklahoma! (Musical); Pearl Harbor, Attack on, 1941; Photographers; Pollock, Jimmy; Quebec Philharmonic; Radio repairmen; Rose, Dave; Sarser, David; St. Louis (Mo.); Steiner, Alexander; Toscanini, Arturo; Violinists; Waleczek, Earl; Winged Victory (Play); World War II

Subjects: Air forces.; Armed Forces.; Army Emergency Relief; Arnold, Henry Harley, 1886-1950.; Fort Dix (N.J.); Hart, Moss, 1904-1961.; History of science and technology; Infantry.; Jefferson Barracks (Saint Louis, Mo.); Kansas City (Mo.); Music; National Broadcasting Company; New York (N.Y.); Orchestre symphonique de Québec; Pearl Harbor (Hawaii), Attack on, 1941.; Photographers; Rose, Dave; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; St. Louis (Mo.); Toscanini, Arturo, 1867-1957.; Violinists; World War, 1939-1945

GPS: Fort Dix (N.J.)
Map Coordinates: 40.019167, -74.522778
00:27:28 - National Broadcasting Company (NBC)

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Partial Transcript: We did, we did, uh, eighteen months in New York City and then we went on a nationwide tour.

Segment Synopsis: Sarser discusses his time at the National Broadcasting Company (NBC).

Keywords: Amplifiers; Armed Forces; Chicago (Ill.); Chotzinoff, Samuel; Galbraith, Barry; Heifetz, Jascha (Artist); Jacobsen, Sascha (Artist); NBC Symphony Orchestra; National Broadcasting Company (NBC); RCA Records; Sarser, David; Shield, Roy; Toscanini, Arturo; Winged Victory (Play)

Subjects: Armed Forces.; Chicago (Ill.); Chotzinoff, Samuel, 1889-1964; Galbraith, Barry; Heifetz, Jascha, 1901-1987.; History of science and technology; Jacobsen, Sascha, 1895-1972; Music; NBC Symphony Orchestra; RCA Records; Shield, Roy (Vocalist); Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Toscanini, Arturo, 1867-1957.

GPS: Chicago (Ill.)
Map Coordinates: 41.836944, -87.684722
00:32:55 - Recording for Arturo Toscanini

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Partial Transcript: The way I met Toscanini, personally, was that, he was a very strange guy.

Segment Synopsis: Sarser talks about meeting conductor Arturo Toscanini. He discusses building a recording studio for Toscanini. Sarser then talks about the equipment that was available in Toscanini's personal recording studio.

Keywords: Amplifiers; Bernstein, Leonard; Cantelli, Guido; Consoles (recording); Dolan, Jimmy; Estates; Florida; Ford Fairlane automobile; Internal Revenue Service (IRS); Leonard, Seth; Music; NBC Symphony Orchestra; Orchestras; Radio; Recorders, tape (models): Ampex 300 monophonic; Recording; Recording studios; Riverdale (N.Y.); Riverdale (New York, N.Y.); Sarser, David; Speakers (models): Altec 304; Symphony of the Air; Toscanini family; Toscanini, Arturo; Toscanini, Walter; Villa Pauline; Walter, Bruno; ”The Musician’s Amplifier”

Subjects: Bernstein, Leonard; Bernstein, Leonard, 1918-1990.; Cantelli, Guido; Florida; History of science and technology; Leonard, Seth; Music; NBC Symphony Orchestra; Orchestra; Radio; Riverdale (New York, N.Y.); Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Symphony of the Air; Toscanini, Arturo, 1867-1957.; Toscanini, Walter, 1898-1971; Walter, Bruno, 1876-1962

00:44:09 - Working with audio engineers as a musician

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Partial Transcript: I kind of pooh-poohed 'em, you know--

Segment Synopsis: Sarser and Schmidt Horning talk about the sampling rate of compact discs. He talks about a recording session in Germany with Lyle "Skitch" Henderson. Sarser talks about the recording studios in which he worked and their locations in New York (N.Y.). He then discusses how being a musician gave him unique insight during his audio recording career.

Keywords: Adler, Peter Herman; Advertising; American Federation of Musicians (AFM); Audio directors; Browning, Kurt; Capitol Records; Chotzinoff, Anne "Cookie"; Chotzinoff, Samuel; Columbia Records; Columbia Records, Inc.; Commercials; Compact discs; Decca Records; Equalizers; Film scores; Fine Recording; Fine, Bob; Germany; Great Northern Hotel; Grossman Chotiznoff, Anne "Cookie"; Hallmark Hall of Fame; Henderson, Lyle “Skitch”; Mercury Records; Music; Musicians; NBC Symphony Orchestra; NBC Television Opera Company; National Association of Broadcast Engineers and Technicians (NABET); National Broadcasting Company (NBC); Operas; RCA Records; Recording studios; Remastering; Sampling rates; Sarser, David; Sear, Walter; Soundtracks; Valente, Renee; Violinists; Vootras, George

Subjects: Adler, Peter Herman, 1899-1990; Advertising; American Federation of Musicians; Browning, Kurt; Capitol Records, Inc.; Chotzinoff, Samuel, 1889-1964; Columbia Records, Inc; Decca Records (Firm); Equalizers (Electronics); Fine, Bob; Germany; Great Northern Hotel (New York, N.Y.); Hallmark hall of fame; Henderson, Skitch, 1918-2005; History of science and technology; Music; Musicians; NBC Symphony Orchestra; National Association of Broadcast Engineers and Technicians (U.S.); National Broadcasting Company; RCA Records; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Soundtracks.; Valente, Renée; Violinists

GPS: New York (N.Y.)
Map Coordinates: 40.7127, -74.0059
00:54:40 - Unions

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Partial Transcript: So what happened was that I, uh, uh--(coughs)--I got close with Skitch, because Skitch wanted to conduct the NBC Opera, you know.

Segment Synopsis: Sarser discusses the various unions involved in recording, such as the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW), and their regulations. He also talks about the creation of the NBC Television Opera Company and how union regulations made working with others difficult.

Keywords: Audio directors; Brooklyn (New York, N.Y.); Control rooms; Directors Guild; Frey, Don; Henderson, Lyle “Skitch”; International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW); Microphones; Midway Radio; Musicians; NBC Television Opera Company; National Broadcasting Company (NBC); RCA Records; Sarser, David; Steve Allen Show, the (Television program); Technical directors; Unions

Subjects: Brooklyn (New York, N.Y.); Frey, Donald A.; Henderson, Skitch, 1918-2005; History of science and technology; International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers; Microphone; Music; Musicians; National Broadcasting Company; RCA Records; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Steve Allen Show (Television program)

GPS: Brooklyn (New York, N.Y.)
Map Coordinates: 40.692778, -73.990278
01:01:46 - Recording in Germany with Lyle "Skitch" Henderson

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Partial Transcript: Well, you know, we're getting a little bit away from recording studios again.

Segment Synopsis: Sarser recalls recording in Stuttgart (Germany) with Lyle "Skitch" Henderson. He also talks about the audio recording equipment he utilized in the recording session.

Keywords: Analog; Audio devices; Balance; Compact discs; Digital; Dubbings; Germany; Hearing loss; Henderson, Lyle “Skitch”; Magnetophon; Mastering; Masters; Musicians; Neumann; Norelco; Orchestras; Radio stations; Recording; Recording tape; Recording, analog; Recording, digital; Records, tape (models): Studer; Sampling rates; Sarser, David; Stuttgart (Germany); Telefunken; Tonmeisters; Willa Berg Studios

Subjects: Compacting discs; Germany; Hearing loss; Henderson, Skitch, 1918-2005; History of science and technology; Magnétophone; Music; Musicians; Neumann; Orchestras; Radio stations; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Stuttgart (Germany); Telefunken G.m.b.H.

GPS: Stuttgart (Germany)
Map Coordinates: 48.783333, 9.183333
01:08:26 - Mixing / hearing loss

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Partial Transcript: And, uh, I was a good engin--a good mixer myself.

Segment Synopsis: Sarser discusses mixing recordings and describes what makes a good mixer, the most important quality of which is taste. He then talks about hearing and listening. Finally, Sarser talks about his struggle with tinnitus as the result of working in the audio recording industry.

Keywords: Amplifiers; Audio devices; Audio equipment; Audiology; Beethoven, Ludwig van; Ensoniq; Hearing; Hearing aids; Hearing loss; Mixers; Mixing; Musicians; Recording, analog; Recording, digital; Sarser, David; Speakers; Taste; Tinnitus; Toscanini, Arturo; Tubes

Subjects: Audio equipment industry; Audiology.; Beethoven, Ludwig van, 1770-1827.; Hearing; Hearing aids.; Hearing loss, Central; History of science and technology; Music; Musicians; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Tinnitus.; Toscanini, Arturo, 1867-1957.; Tubes

01:15:57 - Recording method / building the A&R Recording recording studio

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Partial Transcript: Can we get back to wh, when you mentioned about going to Germany, you know--

Segment Synopsis: Sarser discusses the independent studios with which he worked. He talks about building the recording studios for A&R Recording, which included a three-channel recording console.

Keywords: A&R Recording; A&R Recording Studio; AUDAK Company; Altec 601; Amplifiers; Arioso from Cantata BWV 156; Arnold, Jack; Audio engineering society (AES); Bach, Johann Sebastian; Bruner, Jerry; Capitol Records; Columbia Records; Columbia Records, Inc.; Consoles (mixing); Consoles (recording); Fine Recording; Hampton, Lionel (Artist); Henderson, Lyle “Skitch”; Honeydreamers, the (Artist); Mercury Records; Music producers; Philips; Philips Communication Systems; Pianos, Steinway; RCA Records; Ramone, Phil; Record labels; Recorders, Ampex; Recorders, tape (models): Norelco 450; Recording companies; Recording studios; Resistors; Rose, Dave; Sarser, David; Speakers; Speakers (models); Speakers, Altec; Video Studios; Ward, Art; Weil, Maximillian; ”The Musician’s Amplifier”

Subjects: Arnold, Jack; Arnold, Jack, 1916-1992; Audio Engineering Society; Bach, Johann Sebastian, 1685-1750.; Capitol Records, Inc.; Columbia Records, Inc.; Hampton, Lionel; Henderson, Skitch, 1918-2005; History of science and technology; Music; Philips Communication Systems (Firm : Hilversum, Netherlands); RCA Records; Ramone, Phil; Record labels; Rose, David; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Ward, Arthur

01:29:46 - Compact discs

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Partial Transcript: Listening quality is the most important thing.

Segment Synopsis: Sarser discusses his thoughts about the importance of listening quality. He then talks about compact discs, telling a story about how a certain machine caused a compact disc to sound bad.

Keywords: Analog; Audio devices; Compact discs; Digital; Distortion; Equalizers; Huntington (N.Y.); Mono; Orban; Recording, digital; Sarser, David; Sound; Speakers; Stereo; Synthesizers

Subjects: Audio equipment industry; Compact discs; History of science and technology; Huntington (N.Y.); Music; Sound; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Synthesizer (Musical instrument)

GPS: Huntington (N.Y.)
Map Coordinates: 40.877778, -73.413611
01:34:32 - Other audio engineers

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Partial Transcript: --ninety nine. It's tape two.

Segment Synopsis: Sarser describes the Columbia Records, Inc. building layout. He also talks about his work with Lyle "Skitch" Henderson, who started out playing piano in Hollywood (Calif.). He then talks about a collaboration with Allison Audio and Philips Electronics.

Keywords: Allison Audio; Ampex Corporation; Carriage houses; Castro, Fidel; Cinerama; Control rooms; Crosby, Bing (Artist); DB Magazine; Emerson, Faye; Hammar, Peter; Henderson, Lyle “Skitch”; Henderson, Ruth; Hitler, Adolf; Hollywood (Calif.); Jewish; Johnny Nicholson Cafe; Judaism; Limiters; Mullin, Jack; New York (N.Y.); New York Pops, the; Paul, Les; Philips Electronics, Inc.; Philips Home Company; Recording studios; Rosner, Alex; San Francisco Opera; Sarser, David; Sinatra, Frank (Artist); Snyder, Ross; Taylor, Elizabeth; World War II

Subjects: Ampex Corporation; Castro, Fidel, 1926-; Cinerama; Crosby, Bing, 1903-1977.; Emerson, Faye; Henderson, Skitch, 1918-2005; History of science and technology; Hitler, Adolf, 1889-1945.; Hollywood (Calif.); Judaism; Music; New York (N.Y.); New York Pops; Paul, Les; Philips Electronics, Inc.; San Francisco Opera.; Sinatra, Frank, 1915-1998.; Snyder, Ross; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Taylor, Elizabeth, 1932-2011.; World War, 1939-1945

GPS: Hollywood (Calif.)
Map Coordinates: 34.1, -118.333333
01:46:29 - Education / 3M Company

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Partial Transcript: Well, there's something you started that's, that's interesting to, to know, and I want to follow up on a little bit and have you maybe elaborate on it...

Segment Synopsis: Sarser discusses how his lack of academic training led him to not be taken seriously in his career. He then talks about an experience as an expert witness for 3M Company.

Keywords: 3M Company; Allison Audio; Audio directors; Audio engineers; Cassette duplicators; Chief engineers; Columbia Records; Columbia Records, Inc.; Degrees, academic; Education; Ligitor, Louis; Musicians; Recorders, Norelco; Rosner, Alex; Sarser, David; Snyder, Ross; Splicing tape; Training

Subjects: 3M Company; Columbia Records, Inc.; Degrees, Academic.; Education; History of science and technology; Music; Musicians; Snyder, Ross; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Training.

01:52:19 - Studio 3 / Dubbings

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Partial Transcript: Let's, let's get back to, um--'cause I'm, uh--the Studio Three, that's what you called it.

Segment Synopsis: Sarser discusses the recording studio he created with Lyle "Skitch" Henderson, as well as Dubbings, a duplication service for whom he worked.

Keywords: Affairs; Allen, Steve; Carson, Johnny; Como, Perry; Dubbings; Fairchild Recording Equipment Corporation; Fairchild, Sherman; Financial statements; Henderson, Lyle “Skitch”; Henderson, Ruth; Huntington Station (N.Y.); Konins, Julie; Levine, Aaron; Long Island (N.Y.); Mandrels; Marshall, Bob; National Broadcasting Company (NBC); Norelco; Philips; Philips Company; Recording studios, independent; Rhythm records; Sarser, David; Sarser, Gloria; Sexual harassment; Sideman; Studio 3; Toscanini, Arturo

Subjects: Allen, Steve; Allen, Steve, 1921-2000; Carson, Johnny, 1925-2005.; Como, Perry, 1912-2001; Fairchild, Sherman M., 1896-1971; Henderson, Skitch, 1918-2005; History of science and technology; Huntington Station (N.Y.); Levine, Aaron; Long Island (N.Y.); Marshall, Bob; Music; National Broadcasting Company; Philips Electronics, Inc.; Sexual harassment of women.; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Studio 3 (Firm); Toscanini, Arturo, 1867-1957.

GPS: Long Island (N.Y.)
Map Coordinates: 40.8, -73.3
02:06:27 - Electronic music / Audio Engineering Society (AES) / Sapphire Club

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Partial Transcript: But, uh--

Segment Synopsis: Sarser discusses his involvement in the electronic music scene and talks about his friendship with Professor Vladimir Ussachevsky, an electronic music pioneer. He then talks about his involvement with the Sapphire Club and the Audio Engineering Society (AES).

Keywords: Ampex Corporation; Ampex Electric Corporation; Audio Engineering Society (AES); Audio devices; Capps; Cleveland (Ohio); Columbia-Princeton Electronic Music Center; Electronic music; Hewlett-Packard; Hewlett-Packard Company; LeBel, C. J.; Mixers; Moog synthesizer; Moog, Robert; Oscillators; Pickering cartridges; Pickering, Norman; Plunkett, Don; Plunkett, Donald; Sapphire Club; Sapphire Group; Sarser, David; Sear, Walter; Selstead, Walter; Snyder, Ross; Stylus; Theremin; Ussachevsky, Vladimir; Washington (D.C.); Weightlessness (Song)

Subjects: Audio Engineering Society; Audio equipment industry; Cleveland (Ohio); Columbia-Princeton Electronic Music Center.; Electronic music.; Hewlett-Packard Company; History of science and technology; Moog synthesizer.; Moog, Robert S.; Music; Pickering, Norman C.; Sear, Walter; Snyder, Ross; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Stylus; Theremin.; Ussachevsky, Vladimir, 1911-1990.; Washington (D.C.)

GPS: Washington (D.C.)
Map Coordinates: 38.904722, -77.016389
02:23:28 - Career after Studio 3

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Partial Transcript: So when did you get out of recording? When you sold the studio to Mitch? I mean Skitch, excuse me.

Segment Synopsis: Sarser discusses what caused him to leave the audio engineering profession. He then talks about his involvement in a tape duplicating company.

Keywords: Allison Audio; Beatles, the (Artist); Betamax; Boston (Mass.); Capitol Records; Cassettes; Chief engineers; Chromium dioxide; Consultants; Contact printing; DuPont; Dubbings; Fairchild, Sherman; Florida; Gauguin, Louie; General Electric Company; General Electronic; Harris, Bob; Hauppaug (N.Y.); Henderson, Lyle “Skitch”; Kendall, Trevor; Kerr, Bill; King Instrument Company; King, Jim; Lasers; Marshall, Bob; Mastering; Mercury Records; NBC Symphony Orchestra; Norelco; Otari; Otari, Inc.; Patents; Philips; Recorders, reel-to-reel; Sarser, David; Scott, George; Selstead, Walter; Sinatra, Frank (Artist); Snyder, Ross; Splicers; Splicing; Thermal Remnant Duplicating; Violinists; Walt Disney Company

Subjects: Beatles.; Boston (Mass.); Capitol Records, Inc.; Consultants; DuPont; Fairchild, Sherman M., 1896-1971; Florida; General Electric Company.; Harris, Bob; Hauppauge (N.Y.); Henderson, Skitch, 1918-2005; History of science and technology; Kerr, Bill; King, Jim; Lasers.; Marshall, Bob; Music; NBC Symphony Orchestra; Patents; Philips Electronic Instruments, Inc.; Scott, George; Sinatra, Frank, 1915-1998.; Snyder, Ross; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Violinists; Walt Disney Company

GPS: Boston (Mass.)
Map Coordinates: 42.358056, -71.063611
02:41:36 - Studio 3 clientele

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Partial Transcript: I gotta say this has been really interesting, but I'm afraid--

Segment Synopsis: Sarser wraps up the interview by talking about his writing. He then talks about the clientele that he served at Studio 3, such as musicians, advertising agencies, and people who did film scores. Sarser then talks about the ways that he advertised his business.

Keywords: Abend, Joe; Berklee College of Music; Capitol Records; Computers; Decca Records; Editing; FAO Schwarz; Film scores; Ford, Mary; GE Show ’N Tell; General Electric Show N Tell Phono Viewer; How High the Moon (Song); Huntington (N.Y.); Magic Mirror Records; Musicians; Paul, Les; Record companies; Sarser, David; Sarser, Gloria; Soundtracks; Speakers; Studio 3; Writing

Subjects: Berklee College of Music.; Capitol Records, Inc.; Computers; Decca Records (Firm); Ford, Mary; History of science and technology; Huntington (N.Y.); Music; Musicians; Paul, Les; Record labels.; Sound recording industry; Sound recording industry--History; Sound recordings; Sound--Recording and reproducing; Sound--Recording and reproducing--History; Soundtracks; Studio 3 (Firm); Writing.

GPS: Huntington (N.Y.)
Map Coordinates: 40.877778, -73.413611