Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History

Interview with Mubarak Shah Zuberi, May 26, 2010

Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries
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00:00:00 - Aligarh Muslim University

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Partial Transcript: --May 26, 2010, um, in the home of Mr. Mubarak Shah.

Segment Synopsis: Zuberi discusses the unique attributes of Aligarh Muslim University, and its relation to the city of Aligarh in general.

Keywords: Aligarh (India); Aligarh Muslim University; Boarders; Bopal (India); Chancellors; Dining halls; Diversity; Hostels; Residence halls

Subjects: Bangladeshis; Education; Hindus; Muslims; Scholars; Students

GPS: Aligarh Muslim University
Map Coordinates: 27.915009, 78.078793
00:04:24 - Early life / education

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Partial Transcript: I even--I miss Aligarh. I don't miss my hometown, but I miss Aligarh.

Segment Synopsis: Zuberi recalls his early life in India. The interviewee then talks of his education at Aligarh Muslim University. Notable vice-chancellor Ziauddin Ahmad is also discussed.

Keywords: Aligarh Muslim University; Budget; Doctors; Friends; Indian National Congress; London (England); Lucknow (India); Mahatma Gandhi; Meerut (India); Numbers; Paris (France); Railways; Two Nation Theory; Ziauddin Ahmad

Subjects: Birthdays; Civil service; Death; Education; English; Father; Partition; Royal family

GPS: Meerut (India)
Map Coordinates: 28.99, 77.7
00:11:14 - Ziauddin Ahmad

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Partial Transcript: What do you remember about being in the household with him, when all these activities were going on?

Segment Synopsis: Zuberi details the later life and experiences of Ziauddin Ahmad. The death of Ahmad and its impact upon Aligarh Muslim University is also considered.

Keywords: Aligarh Muslim University; British Empire; Carriages; Mahatma Gandhi; Railways; Rectors; Salary; Train stations; Vice chancellors; Viceroy; Ziauddin Ahmad

Subjects: Death; Education; Leaders; Muslims; Politicians; Poverty

GPS: Aligarh Muslim University
Map Coordinates: 27.915009, 78.078793
00:19:33 - Discrimination in Pakistan and the United States / student movements in Aligarh

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Partial Transcript: More discrimination exists in Pakistan between Punjabis, Hindis. . .

Segment Synopsis: Zuberi compares the level of discrimination of Muslims from other religious groups in Pakistan and the United States respectively. Following this, a brief interlude concerning the student movements in Aligarh during the partition are examined. Next, the situation for Bangladeshi Muslims, and Muslim-Americans is assessed.

Keywords: Aligarh (India); Aligarh Muslim University; Bangladesh; Cousins; Doctors; Friends; Hospitals; Illegal immigrants; Karachi (Pakistan); Nationalists; Newspapers; Pakistan; Punjab (India); Punjab (Pakistan); Sisters; United States; Ziauddin Ahmad

Subjects: Comparisons; Daughters; Discrimination; Elections; Fathers; Hindus; Leaders; Muslims; Partition; Sons

GPS: Aligarh Muslim University
Map Coordinates: 27.915009, 78.078793
00:32:58 - Reaction to partition / Pakistan

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Partial Transcript: How--I mean if--you were, you were living with him in his house when Pakistan was created in August '47.

Segment Synopsis: Zuberi shares Ahmad's and his own personal reaction to the partition. Political aspects of the partition are emphasized, including the newly-formed geographical borders of the countries. The partition of Pakistan and Bangladesh is also detailed.

Keywords: Bengal; Borders; Governors; India; Karachi (Pakistan); Lahore (Pakistan); Officers; Pakistan; Photos; Politics; Punjab (India); Ziauddin Ahmad

Subjects: Bangladeshis; Capital; Discrimination; Partition; Politicians; Prime minister

GPS: Karachi (Pakistan)
Map Coordinates: 24.86, 67.01
00:48:24 - Aligarh, India / All-India Muslim league / Bangladesh

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Partial Transcript: When, when, uh, when did you go to Aligarh?

Segment Synopsis: The interviewer describes her experience living in Aligarh during her research. The national politics of India prior to the partition are briefly mentioned. Zuberi's participation in the Indian independence movement is then discussed. Additionally, the foundation of Bangladesh is examined.

Keywords: Aligarh (India); Aligarh Muslim University; All-India Muslim League; Bangladesh; Congress; East Pakistan; Hostels; Houses; Murders; Nationalist Muslims; Relatives; Two Nation Theory

Subjects: Boxes; Hindus; Holocaust; Life; Muslims; Tents; Travel

00:55:13 - Arrival in Pakistan / life in India

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Partial Transcript: What was your experience of coming to Pakistan?

Segment Synopsis: Zuberi recalls and explains the reasoning behind his immigration to Pakistan. These experiences are compared with Zuberi's life prior to this time in India, emphasizing Hindu-Muslim relations.

Keywords: All-India Muslim League; India; Muhammad Ali Jinnah; Pakistan; Politics; Relatives; Skin color

Subjects: Brother; Comparisons; Discrimination; Hindus; Holidays; Ideology; Leaders; Mother; Muslims

00:58:47 - Islam in the United States

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Partial Transcript: Islam is the most misunderstood religion in America.

Segment Synopsis: Zuberi talks of Islamic religion and its position in American society. The interviewee's own experiences as a Muslim living in the United States are also shared. The impact of Pakistanis and Muslims in general upon the U.S. is then considered. Lastly, the treatment of Muslims by Americans is detailed.

Keywords: Albany (N.Y.); Cedars-Sinai Medical Center; Company president; Doctors; Los Angeles (Calif.); Lunch; Managers; Mosques; Politics; Restaurants; Secretary; United States

Subjects: Computer science; Discrimination; Food; Insurance; Islam; Muslims; Pakistanis; Pork; Prayers; Understandings

01:04:12 - Hindus and Muslims / Indian and Pakistan society and politics

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Partial Transcript: In India, I am telling you, our family personally, we had no problem, except there used to be fight between Hindus and Muslims on Eid al-Adha...

Segment Synopsis: Zuberi briefly describes relations between Hindus and Muslims before the partition. The role of Muslims in India and their political situation there is pondered. This is then compared with the circumstances in Pakistan currently, including differences in education and political systems.

Keywords: Aligarh (India); Eid al-Adha; Family; Fees; Friends; Funerals; India; Industry; Karachi University; Newspapers; Pakistan; Passports; Politics; Private schools; Two Nation Theory

Subjects: Bureaucracy; Children; Citizenship; Corruption; Discrimination; Education; Hindus; Islam; Meat; Minorities; Muslims; Politicians; Prayers; Sects; Uncles; Values

01:18:43 - United States and Pakistan / next interviewee

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Partial Transcript: You, you don't find these examples in America.

Segment Synopsis: Zuberi compares the cultures and mannerisms of Pakistanis and Americans. An interlude regarding the next person the interviewer is to interview is included. Lastly, Zuberi's own estimations of life in the United States is revealed.

Keywords: Acceptance; Albany (N.Y.); Commissioner of health; Cousins; Guests; Haircuts; Houses; Liquor; Pakistan; Politics; Presidents; Relatives; Secretary; United States

Subjects: Alcohol; Bureaucracy; Computer science; Culture; Devotion; Insurance; Islam; Microbiology; Muslims; Party; Public relations; Restrooms; Telephone; Wife; Women; Work