1 10 32 https://nunncenter.net/outsouth/files/original/fbd423941ec5ae1ddb1852008a633810.PNG b30a6dbc3008ccd19dca1d76432fff0c Oral History A resource containing historical information obtained in interviews with persons having firsthand knowledge. Interviewer The person(s) performing the interview Adriana Sisko Interviewee The person(s) being interviewed Carol Taylor-Shim OHMS Object https://nunncenter.net/ohms-spokedb/render.php?cachefile=2018oh225_lgbtq012_ohm.xml Interview Keyword People of color Queer women of color Intersectionality Violence Intervention and Prevention Center (VIP Center) Racial justice Queer community LGBTQ community Tokenizing Tokenism Marginalized communities Police shootings University of Louisville OHMS Object Text 5 2018oh225_lgbtq012 Interview with Carol Taylor-Shim, May 1, 2018 2018oh225_lgbtq012 ohlgbtq Outsouth: LGBTQ+ Oral History Collection lgbtq001 Outsouth: LGBTQ+ Oral History Project Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries (Exhibit) Childhood Families. Race discrimination Racism Secondary traumatic stress. Psychic trauma in children--Treatment. Social service. Social justice. African Americans--Social conditions Coming out (Sexual orientation) Homosexuality. Lesbianism. Lesbians--Identity. Sexual minorities' families. Sexual minorities--Identity. Sexual orientation. Sexual orientation--Religious aspects. Homosexuality--Religious aspects. University of Kentucky Race relations Violence Racial profiling in law enforcement. Sexual minority community. People of color Queer women of color Intersectionality Violence Intervention and Prevention Center (VIP Center) Racial justice Queer community LGBTQ community Tokenizing Tokenism Marginalized communities Police shootings University of Louisville Carol Taylor-Shim Adriana Sisko 0 Vimeo video &lt ; iframe src=&quot ; https://player.vimeo.com/video/268059366&quot ; width=&quot ; 640&quot ; height=&quot ; 360&quot ; frameborder=&quot ; 0&quot ; allowfullscreen&gt ; &lt ; /iframe&gt ; 0 Introduction This is Adriana Sisko and the date is May first. Carol Taylor-Shim is introduced. She gives a brief overview of her life. Marriage ; Married ; Wife Families. ; Lexington (Ky.). ; University of Kentucky 17 97 Childhood Alright, so let's get started early on. Taylor-Shim describes her childhood growing up in the West End of Lexington, Kentucky. She talks about her relationship with her family, the effect of her sibling's death, and the bullying she experienced in school. All-black neighborhoods ; Bullying ; Car accidents ; Car wrecks ; Changes ; Children ; Death ; Family ; Friends ; Middle class ; Mourning ; Parents ; Race ; Schools ; Siblings ; Skin color Childhood ; Families. ; Race discrimination ; Racism 17 288 College experience and career in social work Um, then I went off to, um, college. Taylor-Shim talks about her initial career goals before attending the University of Louisville. She talks about how she entered the field of social work and her career in the child welfare system. She talks about learning about the concept of secondary trauma and the difficulty of social work. She talks about her interest in social justice from an early age. Activism ; Careers ; Child welfare ; Colleges ; Dreams ; Family team meetings ; Fathers ; Goals ; Hair ; Influences ; Internships ; Justice administration ; Makeup ; Parole officers ; Pledge of Allegiance ; Posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) ; Protests ; Racial justice ; Racism ; Schools ; Secondary trauma ; Self-care ; Social work ; State jobs ; Style ; Systems ; Trauma ; University of Kentucky African Americans--Social conditions ; Childhood ; Education, Higher ; Psychic trauma in children--Treatment. ; Psychic trauma. ; Public welfare. ; Secondary traumatic stress. ; Social case work. ; Social justice. ; Social service. ; University of Louisville 17 838 Effect of systems on people's lives You mentioned systems overlooking or not realizing, um, the nuances and the complexities of what people are going through. Taylor-Shim talks about her experience with various systems, including education, criminal justice, and healthcare. She talks about how they are all connected, and how people can be negatively affected by these systems, particularly people of color. Behavior ; Childbirth ; Children of color ; Connections ; Criminal justice system ; Differences ; Education system ; Effects ; Healthcare system ; Inequality ; Internalizing ; Labels ; Patterns ; People of color ; Punishments ; Race ; Racial bias ; School to prison pipeline ; Schools ; Suspensions ; Treatment African Americans--Social conditions ; Childhood ; Psychic trauma in children--Treatment. ; Psychic trauma. ; Public welfare. ; Race discrimination ; Racism ; Social case work. ; Social justice. ; Social service. 17 1209 Being the only woman of color in the child welfare department You talked earlier about neglecting self-care-- Taylor-Shim describes her experience being the only woman of color working in the child welfare system. She talks about how it affected her work with clients, as well as the dynamics of the office. Child welfare ; Culture ; Eastern Kentucky ; Families of color ; Hair ; Micro-aggressions ; Office dynamics ; People of color ; Racial slurs ; Self-care ; Treatment ; Women of color African Americans--Social conditions ; Childhood ; Education, Higher ; Psychic trauma in children--Treatment. ; Psychic trauma. ; Public welfare. ; Race discrimination ; Racism ; Secondary traumatic stress. ; Social case work. ; Social justice. ; Social service. ; University of Louisville 17 1633 Coming out and identity You were talking about how, um, during your early twenties you hadn't found your voice yet. Taylor-Shim talks about finding her 'voice' after coming out. She talks about the process she went through to find the right label for herself. She talks about her family and friends' reactions to her coming out, and the idea that coming out is a perpetual process. She talks about when she realized the applicability of intersectional theory to her identity, as an individual who is both black and queer at the same time. 'Performing straightness' ; 'Queer' ; Acceptance ; Authenticity ; Bisexuality ; Black spaces ; Camp Pride ; Camper's Pride ; Campuses ; Changes ; Children ; Coming out process ; Dating ; Dentists ; Education ; Engaged ; Experiences ; Exposure ; Family ; Family events ; Fathers ; Friends ; Gay spaces ; Graduate schools ; Hesitation ; Homophobia ; Impact ; Intersectional ; Intersectional theory ; Intersectionality ; Jobs ; Labels ; Learning ; Married ; Meaning ; Mothers ; Perpetual coming out ; Personality ; Queer identity ; Queer people of color ; Queer women of color ; Reactions ; Realizations ; Relationships ; Romeo ; Terminology ; University of Kentucky ; Visibility ; Voice ; Wife ; Work African Americans--Social conditions ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Education, Higher ; Families. ; Gays--Family relationships. ; Gays--Identity. ; Homosexuality. ; Lesbianism. ; Lesbians--Identity. ; Parents of gays. ; Sexual minorities' families. ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual orientation. 17 2800 Role of religion in her life Um, my next question is hopping topics a bit but obviously we'll get back to-- Taylor-Shim talks about the role of religion in her life. She talks about her family's involvement in the church, as well as her own 'break up' with the church after coming out. She talks about the difference between organized religion and spirituality in her life. She talks about the role of church in black communities. 'Breaking up' ; Acceptance ; Attitudes ; Black communities ; Culture ; Deacons ; Fathers ; Hair ; Interests ; Makeup ; Mothers ; Organized religion ; Parents ; Pastors ; Safe places ; Slurs ; Spirituality ; Style African American churches ; African Americans--Religion. ; African Americans--Social conditions ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Families. ; Gays--Family relationships. ; Gays--Identity. ; Homosexuality--Religious aspects. ; Homosexuality. ; Lesbianism. ; Lesbians--Identity. ; Parents of gays. ; Sexual minorities' families. ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual orientation--Religious aspects. ; Sexual orientation. 17 3131 Her work in bias incident response services at the University of Kentucky Uh, tell me about your current position at UK. Taylor-Shim talks about the various positions she has held at UK, focusing on her current position with the VIP Center as the Bias Incident Response Coordinator. She talks about how the university responded to students' protests, leading to programs held to assist the community in healing after the Pulse nightclub shooting and other traumatic events. She discusses the social and racial justice work being done on campus, as well as what still needs to be done. Bias Incident Response Coordinator ; Bias Incident Response Services ; Campuses ; Careers ; Changes ; Childhood ; Dominant identities ; Employment ; Events ; Evolve ; Facing Change Week ; Family ; Future ; Impact ; Institutions ; Jobs ; LGBTQ community ; Marginalized ; Marginalized communities ; Negative ; Non-profit organizations ; Official reporting structures ; Orlando shooting ; People of color ; Police shootings ; Political climates ; Privilege ; Programs ; Protests ; Pulse nightclub shooting ; Racial healing events ; Racial justice ; Relationships ; Responses ; Rewarding ; Shifts ; Social justice ; Social justice educators ; Students ; Students of color ; Trauma ; University administration ; Violence Intervention and Prevention Center (VIP Center) ; Work African Americans--Social conditions ; Homosexuality. ; Race discrimination. ; Race relations ; Racial profiling in law enforcement. ; Racism ; Sexual orientation. ; University of Kentucky ; Violence 17 3982 Being the only woman of color in bias incident response services at the University of Kentucky Tell me a little bit more about working in VIP. Taylor-Shim talks about once again being the only woman of color in her office and discusses the negative impact this had on her life. She talks about how she found no support while dealing with the trauma of the Ferguson, Missouri shooting and trial. Black women ; Challenges ; Characterization ; Damage ; Expectations ; Ferguson (Mo.) ; Ferguson protests ; Ferguson riots ; Ferguson shooting ; Harm ; Ignoring ; Impact ; Marginalized ; Mindful ; Offices ; People of color ; Police shootings ; Racial trauma ; Reactions ; Relationships ; Response ; Seen ; Support ; Treatment ; Violence Intervention and Prevention Center (VIP Center) ; White women ; Women of color African Americans--Social conditions ; Race discrimination. ; Race relations ; Racial profiling in law enforcement. ; Racism ; University of Kentucky ; Violence 17 4648 Her support system Tell me about your supports and your social circles now. Taylor-Shim talks about her support system, including her wife, as well as a group of women who call themselves The Committee. Experiences ; Friendships ; Micro-aggressions ; Microaggressions ; Not The Only One In The Room (NTOO) ; People of color ; Social circles ; Support systems ; The Committee ; Trust ; Wife ; Women of color African Americans--Social conditions ; African Americans--Social life and customs. ; African Americans--Societies, etc. ; Race discrimination. ; Race relations ; Racism 17 4851 LGBTQ communities and racial justice What would you consider your relationship to be with queer and LGBT communities? Taylor-Shim talks about her relationship with the LGBTQ community, which she says is conflicted due to the tokenizing of people of color and the tendency of organizations to disregard issues of economic disparity, race, and in particular the needs of trans women of color. She talks specifically about the harm caused by tokenism. Blackness ; Committees ; Conflicts ; Conversations ; Damage ; Disparities ; Events ; Harm ; Identity ; Intersectionality ; Issues ; Laziness ; LGBTQ community ; Movements ; Organizations ; People of color ; Privilege ; Queer community ; Race ; Racial justice ; Social justice ; Tokenism ; Tokenizing ; Trans women of color ; Transgender women of color African Americans--Social conditions ; African Americans--Societies, etc. ; Gay community ; Gays--Identity. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Race discrimination. ; Race relations ; Racism ; Sexual minorities. ; Sexual minority community. ; Sexual orientation. ; Transgender identity ; Transgender people--Violence against ; Transgender people. 17 5451 Evolution of Kentucky How have you navigated, um, 'outness' on UK campus? Taylor-Shim talks briefly about her experience of being out on the University of Kentucky campus. She talks about how Kentucky has changed over the years, particularly in regard to safety of LGBTQ individuals. She describes the first Pride Festival held in Lexington and its normalization over time. She talks about places she does not feel safe, particularly in church. She talks about her fear of law enforcement as a person of color. 'Passing' ; Bars ; Blackness ; Campus ; Changes ; Churches ; Energized ; Evolution ; Evolved ; Experiences ; Fears ; Fortunate ; Freedom ; Friends ; Intersectionality ; Kentucky ; Law enforcement ; Lexington Pride Festival ; LGBTQ community ; Location ; Marginalized communities ; Marriage equality ; Mindful ; Normalization ; Outness ; People of color ; Police ; Police shootings ; Privilege ; Protection ; Safe spaces ; Safety ; Slurs ; Stagnant ; Unsafe African Americans--Social conditions ; Gay community ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Race discrimination. ; Race relations ; Racial profiling in law enforcement. ; Racism ; Sexual minorities. ; Sexual minority community. ; Sexual orientation. ; University of Kentucky ; Violence 17 6318 Current political climate So naturally the subject of our country's current administration comes up a bunch-- Taylor-Shim talks about the political climate in America at the time of the interview. She talks about racism becoming more publicly acceptable, and talks about the trauma people of color experience just by existing. She talks about the work that needs to be done, particularly by people with dominant identities, to change the social climate. She talks about how younger generations are being affected and her hopes for young people in the future. 'Boxes and walls' ; 'Make America Great Again' ; Administration ; Awareness ; Children ; Dominant identities ; Emmitt Till ; Facing Change ; Fixing ; History ; Hopes ; Narratives ; Nazis ; People of color ; Political climate ; Power ; Privilege ; Safety ; Students ; Trauma ; Uncomfortable ; University of Kentucky ; Work ; Young people ; Younger generations African Americans--Social conditions ; Race discrimination. ; Race relations ; Racial profiling in law enforcement. ; Racism ; Sexual minorities. ; Sexual minority community. ; Sexual orientation. ; Violence 17 6931 Interracial relationships So I've run through the gambit of all my pre-planned questions-- Taylor-Shim talks about her experiences of being in interracial relationships and the different dynamics that come into play based on race. She talks about her relationship with her wife and tells the story of how they met. The interview is concluded. Concerns ; Connections ; Dating ; Dating apps ; Dynamics ; Friends ; Grindr ; Hawaiian Chinese ; Hypermasculinity ; Internalized hatred ; Interracial relationships ; Meeting ; People of color ; Preferences ; Softball fields ; Support ; Wife African Americans--Social conditions ; Race discrimination. ; Race relations ; Racism ; Sexual minorities. ; Sexual minority community. ; Sexual orientation. 17 interview Carol Taylor-Shim shares her experiences navigating her sexual and racial identities, discussing issues such as tokenization, racism, and trauma. Taylor-Shim also talks about her commitment to social justice and activism, as well as intra-community issues within the LGBTQ community. No transcript. All rights to the interviews, including but not restricted to legal title, copyrights and literary property rights, have been transferred to the University of Kentucky Libraries. video Interviews may only be reproduced with permission from Louie B. 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Race discrimination Racism Secondary traumatic stress. Psychic trauma in children--Treatment. Social service. Social justice. African Americans--Social conditions Coming out (Sexual orientation) Homosexuality. Lesbianism. Lesbians--Identity. Sexual minorities' families. Sexual minorities--Identity. Sexual orientation. Sexual orientation--Religious aspects. Homosexuality--Religious aspects. University of Kentucky Race relations Violence Racial profiling in law enforcement. Sexual minority community. Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource video https://nunncenter.net/outsouth/files/original/3d1d2c594f51e635397997eb92dd7b4b.PNG 160fcc105de3a70f892bba518a8be8a5 Oral History A resource containing historical information obtained in interviews with persons having firsthand knowledge. Interviewer The person(s) performing the interview Adriana Sisko Interviewee The person(s) being interviewed Charlie Yi Zhang OHMS Object https://nunncenter.net/ohms-spokedb/render.php?cachefile=2018oh336_lgbtq022_ohm.xml Interview Keyword Masculinity. South Dakota Dating (Social customs) Manners and customs Lifestyles. Friendship. Closeted gays. Discrimination. Race discrimination. Race relations Racism OHMS Object Text 5.2 2018oh336_lgbtq022 Interview with Charlie Yi Zhang, July 3, 2018 2018oh336_lgbtq022 lgbtq Outsouth: LGBTQ+ Oral History Project Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries (Exhibit) Childhood Education Families. China. China--Cultural policy. China--Foreign relations. China--History. China--Politics and government. China--Social conditions. China--Social life and customs. China--Social policy. Stereotypes (Social psychology) Sexual orientation. Sexual minorities. Sexual minorities--Identity. Homosexuality. Coming out (Sexual orientation) Gay men--Identity. Gays--Identity. Education, Higher College students--Social conditions Gender studies Universities and colleges. Teachers Teaching Masculinity. South Dakota Dating (Social customs) Manners and customs Lifestyles. Friendship. Closeted gays. Discrimination. Race discrimination. Race relations Racism Charlie Yi Zhang Adriana Sisko 0 Vimeo video &lt ; iframe src=&quot ; https://player.vimeo.com/video/280361458&quot ; width=&quot ; 640&quot ; height=&quot ; 360&quot ; frameborder=&quot ; 0&quot ; allowfullscreen&gt ; &lt ; /iframe&gt ; 0 Childhood and awareness of gender roles and sexuality in China My name is Adriana Sisko and the date is July third. Charlie Zhang is introduced. He discusses his upbringing in a 'small town' in China as the only child of working class parents. He talks about his friendships with girls and his interest in stereotypically &quot ; girly&quot ; activities. He talks about his awareness of the concept of homosexuality and his experience of hearing a homophobic slur in a movie. He talks about his popularity and academic performance in school. &quot ; girly&quot ; ; &quot ; Normal&quot ; ; &quot ; Sissy&quot ; ; 1970s ; Academic performance ; Adults ; Androgyny ; Arts and crafts ; Aunts ; Authority ; Awareness ; Children ; China ; Chinese Peking Opera ; Cultural norms ; Different ; Discipline ; Discourse ; Extracurricular activities ; Extroverted ; Fathers ; Female roles ; Feminization ; Feminized ; Freedom ; Gender roles ; Gender studies ; Girls ; Hong Kong (China) ; Marketization ; Mothers ; Movies ; Name-calling ; One Child Policy ; Performance ; PhD ; Popularity ; Public schools ; Punishment ; Reactions ; Schools ; Siblings ; Slurs ; Small towns ; Social life ; Socializing ; Teachers ; Teaching ; Terminology ; Terms ; United States ; Upbringing ; Welcoming ; Western culture ; Working class Childhood ; China--Cultural policy. ; China--Foreign relations--1976- ; China--Foreign relations. ; China--History. ; China--Politics and government--1976-2002. ; China--Politics and government. ; China--Social conditions--1976-2000. ; China--Social conditions. ; China--Social life and customs--1976-2002. ; China--Social life and customs. ; China--Social policy. ; China. ; Education ; Families. ; Friendship. ; Homophobia. ; Homosexuality. ; Interpersonal relations ; Lifestyles. ; Manners and customs ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual minorities. ; Sexual orientation. ; Stereotypes (Social psychology) 17 741 Awareness of his own sexuality and meeting other LGBTQ people And you mentioned earlier that at some point you realized you were different from other people or other children. Zhang talks more about his experience of hearing a homophobic slur in a movie and somehow knowing that it applied to himself. He talks about his confusion and questioning when he began having romantic feelings toward other males, and his relief when he discovered through the Internet that he was not the only one. He talks about whether he felt pressured to be in heterosexual relationships and discusses his family's awareness of LGBTQ people. Awareness ; Categories ; Colleges ; Confusion ; Crushes ; Different ; Discouraged ; Email ; Family ; Feelings ; Friends ; Gay community ; Gender performance ; Hiding ; High schools ; Internet ; Internet cafes ; Internet posts ; Invisible boundaries ; Junior high schools ; Labels ; LGBTQ community ; Middle schools ; Movies ; Peers ; Pressures ; Questioning ; Relief ; Romantic obsessions ; Secrets ; Slurs ; Support ; Universities Childhood ; China--Social conditions. ; China--Social life and customs. ; China. ; Closeted gays. ; College students--Attitudes. ; College students--Social conditions ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Couples. ; Dates (Social engagements) ; Dating (Social customs) ; Education ; Education, Higher ; Families. ; Friendship. ; Gay men--Identity. ; Gays--Identity. ; Homosexuality. ; Interpersonal relations ; Lifestyles. ; Manners and customs ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual minorities. ; Sexual minority college students ; Sexual orientation. ; Stereotypes (Social psychology) 17 1224 Undergraduate experience and relationships And undergrad, aside from meeting these other people like you, how would you summarize your undergraduate experience? Zhang talks about his experience in college in China as an undergraduate majoring in English. He talks about his relationships with friends and roommates, as well as his dating life at the time. Academics ; Angry ; Attitudes ; Awareness ; Boyfriends ; College majors ; Colleges ; Contact ; Demanding ; Discouraged ; Dormitories ; English ; Family ; Financially rewarding ; Friends ; Nostalgic ; Parents ; Reactions ; Relationships ; Roommates ; Sports teams ; Support ; Team captains ; Undergraduate education ; Universities ; Volleyball ; Well-paid jobs China--Social conditions. ; China--Social life and customs. ; China. ; Closeted gays. ; College students--Attitudes. ; College students--Social conditions ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Couples. ; Dates (Social engagements) ; Dating (Social customs) ; Education ; Education, Higher ; Families. ; Friendship. ; Gay men--Identity. ; Gays--Identity. ; Homosexuality. ; Interpersonal relations ; Lifestyles. ; Manners and customs ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual minorities. ; Sexual minority college students ; Sexual orientation. ; Stereotypes (Social psychology) ; Universities and colleges. 17 1584 Experience teaching at the university level in China So you finish undergrad. Zhang talks about being offered a job teaching at the same university from which he graduated. He talks about his attempts to apply to graduate school. He talks about his experience teaching English at the college level, as well as teaching and tutoring for a for-profit company at the same time. He briefly talks about attending graduate school and obtaining his masters degree. Academic settings ; Academics ; Airlines ; Communication studies ; Corporations ; Courses ; Department chairs ; English ; Evaluations ; Failure ; Graduate schools ; Instructors ; Internships ; Intimidated ; Job offers ; Jobs ; Masters degrees ; Peking University ; PhD ; Side jobs ; Students ; Tutoring ; Undergraduate education ; Young China--Social conditions. ; China. ; College students--Attitudes. ; College students--Social conditions ; Education ; Education, Higher ; Employment ; Families. ; Teachers ; Teaching ; Universities and colleges. 17 2107 Performing heterosexuality And before you move here-- Zhang says he never specifically performed heterosexuality, but would sometimes hide his sexuality. He provides examples, discussing how he would avoid late night talks with his roommates regarding dating. Attitudes ; Avoidance ; Avoiding ; Blending in ; Conversations ; Economic status ; Finances ; Heteronormative ; Hiding ; Late night talks ; Marketization ; Participation ; Performing heterosexuality ; Privilege ; Roommates ; Sex ; Sexuality China--Social conditions. ; China--Social life and customs. ; China. ; Closeted gays. ; College students--Attitudes. ; College students--Social conditions ; Couples. ; Dates (Social engagements) ; Dating (Social customs) ; Education ; Education, Higher ; Families. ; Friendship. ; Gay men--Identity. ; Gays--Identity. ; Homosexuality. ; Interpersonal relations ; Lifestyles. ; Manners and customs ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual minorities. ; Sexual minority college students ; Sexual orientation. ; Universities and colleges. 17 2371 Parents' feelings about his teaching job And you mentioned a couple times that, um, you come from a working class background. Zhang talks about how his mother was proud of his teaching job at the university. Bragging ; Faculty ; Family ; Fathers ; Feelings ; Financial support ; Income ; Independent ; Money ; Mothers ; Parents ; Proud ; Reactions ; Salary ; University-level ; Well-paid ; Working class China--Social conditions. ; China. ; Education ; Education, Higher ; Employment ; Families. ; Teachers ; Teaching ; Universities and colleges. 17 2508 Decision to pursue a PhD in Gender Studies So at some point you decide to pursue a PhD? Zhang discusses how he decided to pursue a PhD in gender studies. He says a professor exploited some of her students to translate a book on the topics of masculinity studies and gender theory. Through his work translating the book, Zhang became interested in the topic. He wrote his masters thesis on the topic of gender and later realized that he could study gender for his PhD. Admissions ; Applications ; Arizona State University ; Boyfriends ; Communications studies ; Costs ; Cultural norms ; Examinations ; Exams ; Exploitation ; Failure ; Fees ; Finances ; Gender and women's studies (GWS) ; Gender theory ; GRE testing ; Instructors ; Judith Butler ; Life-changing moments ; Marginalized ; Masculinity studies ; Masters thesis ; Men's Lifestyle Magazines and the Construction of Male Identity ; Michel Foucault ; Motivations ; Peers ; PhD ; Political Economy of Communication ; Poor ; Poverty ; Professors ; Topics ; Translations ; United States China--Social conditions. ; China--Social life and customs. ; China. ; College students--Attitudes. ; College students--Social conditions ; Education ; Education, Higher ; Families. ; Gender studies ; Interpersonal relations ; Lifestyles. ; Manners and customs ; Masculinity. ; Sexual orientation. ; Stereotypes (Social psychology) ; Universities and colleges. 17 3033 Reasons for staying in the U.S. and the current sociopolitical situation in China So your plan initially when you, you come to, um--it was Arizona, right? Zhang talks about his reasons for leaving China and his decision to stay in the U.S. He talks about the fantasy he believed regarding the freedom and democracy in the U.S. and how that differed from the reality once he arrived. He talks about the current sociopolitical situation in China in regard to the Communist Party and freedom, gender, and sexuality. Anti-revolutionary ; Awareness ; Backgrounds ; Better ; Businesses ; Capitalism ; Communist Party ; Condemned ; Cultural revolution ; Degrees ; Democratic ; Economic polarization ; Education ; Employment ; Family ; Fantasy ; Fathers ; Feminist activists ; Finances ; Gender norms ; Grandfathers ; Influences ; Knowledge ; Marketization ; Mass media ; Non-marital relationships ; Oppressive ; Parents ; Positive images ; Pressure ; Public ; Reasoning ; Sexuality ; State-owned ; Staying ; Strict ; Stringent ; Topics ; United States ; Women ; Worse Childhood ; China--Commerce. ; China--Cultural policy. ; China--Economic conditions. ; China--Emigration and immigration. ; China--Foreign relations--1976- ; China--Foreign relations. ; China--History--Cultural Revolution, 1966-1976. ; China--History. ; China--Politics and government--1976-2002. ; China--Politics and government. ; China--Social conditions--1976-2000. ; China--Social conditions. ; China--Social life and customs--1976-2002. ; China--Social life and customs. ; China--Social policy. ; China. ; Education, Higher ; Families. ; Gender studies ; Interpersonal relations ; Lifestyles. ; Manners and customs ; Sexual orientation. 17 3593 Reactions to his masters thesis and views on gender studies in China Um, when you were--this is somewhat connected but jumping topics a bit. Zhang talks about his defense committee's reaction to his masters thesis on masculinity. He talks about how gender and sexuality are becoming more popular topics in China, but many people are still not aware. 'Leftover women' ; 'Manly quality' ; Advisors ; Awareness ; Cultural representation ; Culture ; Defense committees ; Developed ; Interests ; Labels ; LGBTQ community ; Marginalized ; Masters programs ; Masters thesis ; Media ; Misunderstandings ; Popular culture ; Popularity ; Quantitative statistics ; Reactions ; Single women ; Subcultures ; Topics ; Universities China--Cultural policy. ; China--Foreign relations. ; China--History. ; China--Politics and government. ; China--Social conditions. ; China--Social life and customs--1976-2002. ; China--Social life and customs. ; China--Social policy. ; China. ; Education, Higher ; Gender studies ; Interpersonal relations ; Lifestyles. ; Manners and customs ; Masculinity. ; Sexual orientation. ; Universities and colleges. 17 4044 Experience of coming to the U.S. Um, alright, moving forward a bit. Zhang talks about how he felt when he first arrived in the U.S., specifically in Arizona. He talks about how some of his initial impressions were positive, but he discovered later that there was negativity under the surface. For instance, he was told he was allowed to wear anything he wanted, including the color pink, but he later discovered that this was because Asian men are already seen as &quot ; feminized.&quot ; Alone ; Arizona ; Arizona State University ; Clothes ; Clothing ; Cohorts ; Competition ; Cultural climate ; Demanding ; Education systems ; Emancipating ; Emancipation ; Equality ; Faculty ; Fathers ; Feminization ; Feminized ; Freedom ; Friendships ; Gender norms ; Graduate students ; Liberated ; Reading ; Transitions ; United States China--Emigration and immigration. ; China--Social conditions. ; China--Social life and customs. ; China. ; College students--Attitudes. ; College students--Social conditions ; Discrimination. ; Education, Higher ; Gender studies ; Interpersonal relations ; Lifestyles. ; Manners and customs ; Race discrimination. ; Race relations ; Racism 17 4315 Complications of dating in the U.S. Were you able to meet any, um, LGBT-identified people? Zhang discusses some of the discoveries he made about dating in the U.S., including racism among the LGBTQ community. Asian ; Asian identity ; Boyfriends ; Chinese ; Cohorts ; Democratic ; Departments ; Disclosure ; Faculty ; Fantasy ; Internet ; LGBTQ community ; Relationships ; Roles China--Emigration and immigration. ; College students--Attitudes. ; College students--Social conditions ; Couples. ; Dates (Social engagements) ; Dating (Social customs) ; Discrimination. ; Friendship. ; Interpersonal relations ; Lifestyles. ; Manners and customs ; Race discrimination. ; Race relations ; Racism ; Stereotypes (Social psychology) 17 4509 Dissertation topic / Cultural barriers experienced in the U.S. What did you end up doing for your dissertation? Zhang describes the topic of his dissertation. He talks about some of the cultural barriers he experienced in the U.S., including more examples of racism and racial stereotypes that he had never experienced before. Abilities ; Asian ; Assumptions ; Checkboxes ; Classes ; Communication ; Contributions ; Cultural barriers ; Differences ; Discussions ; Dissertations ; Expression ; Gender norms ; Global economy ; Intimidated ; Jobs ; Language skills ; Marketization ; Mathematics ; Racial differences ; Reading materials ; Shifting ; Social regulations ; Social structures ; Students ; Topics China--Commerce. ; China--Cultural policy. ; China--Economic conditions. ; China--Politics and government. ; China--Social conditions. ; China--Social policy. ; College students--Attitudes. ; College students--Social conditions ; Discrimination. ; Education ; Education, Higher ; Gender studies ; Interpersonal relations ; Lifestyles. ; Manners and customs ; Masculinity. ; Race discrimination. ; Race relations ; Racism ; Stereotypes (Social psychology) ; Teachers ; Teaching ; Universities and colleges. 17 5114 Experiencing censorship and discrimination in South Dakota So after you finished the dissertation, where's the next place that you went? Zhang talks about being offered a job at a university in South Dakota. He says he was told he was hired specifically because he is Asian. He talks about teaching classes on global studies and being told by the head of the department that he was not allowed to mention topics including race, gender, and sexuality. He talks about examples of tokenism at the university, as well as examples of harassment he experienced due to his sexuality. African Americans ; Allowed ; Arizona ; Asian ; Awareness ; Censorship ; Chinese ; Content ; Courses ; Department heads ; Departments ; Enrollment ; Evaluations ; First ; Friends ; Global studies ; Harassment ; Heterosexual partners ; Hired ; Job offers ; Jobs ; Offensive ; Openness ; Outness ; Pressure ; Reported ; Scared ; Sexuality ; South Dakota ; Subjects ; Tokenism ; Topics College students--Attitudes. ; College students--Social conditions ; Discrimination. ; Education ; Education, Higher ; Gender studies ; Homophobia. ; Homosexuality. ; Interpersonal relations ; Lifestyles. ; Manners and customs ; Race discrimination. ; Race relations ; Racism ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual minorities. ; Sexual orientation. ; Teachers ; Teaching ; Universities and colleges. 17 5659 Differences between Kentucky and South Dakota And so, uh, South Dakota, how long were you teaching there? Zhang discusses the differences between South Dakota and Kentucky in regard to how the topics of race and sexuality are treated. He talks about how race is an emotionally charged topic in Kentucky and gives an example of how he carefully introduces it to his students. 'Underdeveloped species' ; Acceptance ; African Americans ; Classes ; Conversations ; Differences ; Emotionally charged ; Gender and women's studies (GWS) ; Human diversity ; Intersectionality ; Jobs ; Kentucky ; Latino ; LGBTQ community ; Liberal ; Participation ; Personal life ; Popular culture ; Progressive ; Representation ; Sexuality ; South Dakota ; Subjects ; Talking ; Textbooks ; Title IX ; Topics College students--Attitudes. ; College students--Social conditions ; Discrimination. ; Education ; Education, Higher ; Gender studies ; Homophobia. ; Homosexuality. ; Interpersonal relations ; Lifestyles. ; Manners and customs ; Race discrimination. ; Race relations ; Racism ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual minorities. ; Sexual orientation. ; Teachers ; Teaching ; Universities and colleges. ; University of Kentucky 17 6051 His father's reaction to his marriage Um, actually, speaking of him, I wanted to ask how you all met. Zhang talks about meeting and marrying his husband. He talks about why they did not have a wedding ceremony. He talks about when he told his father about his husband, his father's initial reaction, and the current relationship between his father and his husband, as well as the relationship between his father and himself. Angry ; Attitudes ; Awareness ; Baggage ; Bonding ; Communication ; County clerks ; Dating apps ; Disclosure ; Distance ; Fathers ; Health issues ; Husbands ; Married ; Mothers ; Parties ; Personalities ; Reactions ; Relationships ; Shocked ; Talking ; Visits ; Wedding ceremonies ; Weddings Childhood ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Couples. ; Dates (Social engagements) ; Dating (Social customs) ; Families. ; Friendship. ; Gay men--Identity. ; Gays--Identity. ; Homosexuality. ; Interpersonal relations ; Lifestyles. ; Manners and customs ; Marriage ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual minorities. ; Sexual orientation. 17 6461 Lexington community And, um, moving topics a bit to focus more on Lexington and your life in, in Lexington. Zhang talks about his social circles in Lexington and his interactions with the LGBTQ community. He talks about hearing that rural areas are not welcoming to non-white or LGBTQ people, but says he did not really experience that when visiting Morehead. Classes ; Entomology ; Faculty advisors ; Graduate students ; Husbands ; Kim Davis ; LGBTQ community ; Morehead State University ; Professional relationships ; Relationships ; Rural areas ; Rural communities ; Safe spaces ; Social circles ; The Queer Project ; Welcome ; Welcoming College students--Attitudes. ; College students--Social conditions ; Education ; Education, Higher ; Homophobia. ; Homosexuality. ; Interpersonal relations ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Lifestyles. ; Manners and customs ; Race relations ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual minorities. ; Sexual orientation. ; Teachers ; Teaching ; Universities and colleges. ; University of Kentucky 17 6727 Current political administration in the U.S. And I've, um--this has come to be a question that's come up, um--or a topic, I should say... Zhang discusses his views on the Trump administration and the current political climate in the U.S. He talks about the Trump administration's international policies, as well as domestic policies. Authoritarian ; Barack Obama ; Changes ; Chinese government ; Democracy ; Donald Trump ; Geopolitics ; International diplomacy ; International policies ; International relations ; Judges ; Justice Anthony Kennedy ; Naive ; North Korea ; Peace ; Political administration ; Precedents ; Presidents ; Progress ; Reproductive rights ; Stances ; Supreme Court Justices ; Taiwan ; Threats ; Trade wars China--Commerce. ; China--Economic conditions. ; China--Foreign relations--1976- ; China--Foreign relations. ; China--History. ; China--Politics and government. ; China--Social conditions. ; China--Social policy. ; China. ; United States--Politics and government 17 6980 Visits to China and more on the current sociopolitical situation in China Speaking of China, um, do you ever find yourself missing any aspects of China? Zhang talks about his feelings when visiting China now. He talks more about why he would not move back to China, saying that it is dangerous to discuss and teach topics on gender and sexuality. He talks about his uncle's reaction to hearing about his husband. Acceptance ; Angry ; Arrested ; Control ; Critical condition ; Criticism ; Dangerous ; Emotionally taxing ; Fathers ; Food ; Gender ; Health issues ; Home ; Hong Kong (China) ; Husbands ; Ideology ; Jail ; Marriage ; Married ; Missing ; Mothers ; Nightlife ; Pressure ; Purpose ; Reactions ; Same sex marriage ; Sexuality ; Shocked ; Uncles ; United States ; Visiting ; Visits ; Western culture China--Cultural policy. ; China--Emigration and immigration. ; China--Foreign relations. ; China--History. ; China--Politics and government. ; China--Social conditions. ; China--Social life and customs. ; China--Social policy. ; China. ; Families. ; Interpersonal relations ; Lifestyles. ; Manners and customs ; Sexual orientation. 17 7269 Hope for the future Um, alright, so I have one more question that will finish us off. Zhang talks about his hopes for the future, both for his own career as well as politically in the U.S. and China. The interview is concluded. Academics ; Books ; Changes ; Chinese ; Communist Party ; Conservative ; Democratic Party ; Distractions ; Donald Trump ; Elections ; Future ; Hopes ; International relations ; Investigation ; Journals ; North Korea ; Personal life ; Politically ; Presidents ; Published ; Publishing ; Resistance ; Robert Mueller ; Tenure ; Vladimir Putin ; Writing China--Commerce. ; China--Economic conditions. ; China--Foreign relations--1976- ; China--Foreign relations. ; China--History. ; China--Politics and government. ; China--Social conditions. ; China--Social policy. ; China. ; Education ; Education, Higher ; Teachers ; Teaching ; United States--Politics and government ; Universities and colleges. 17 interview Charlie Yi Zhang shares his childhood and education in China, and his journey to eventually moving to the United States for his PhD. Zhang discusses gender, sexual and racial norms in China and compares them to the United States. Zhang also discusses his experience of those norms as a gay Chinese man. No transcript. All rights to the interviews, including but not restricted to legal title, copyrights and literary property rights, have been transferred to the University of Kentucky Libraries. video Interviews may only be reproduced with permission from Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries. 0 http://www.nunncenter.net/ohms/render.php?cachefile=2018oh336_lgbtq022_zhang_ohm.xml 2018oh336_lgbtq022_zhang_ohm.xml https://kentuckyoralhistory.org/ark:/16417/xt70gb1xgm7q Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Charlie Yi Zhang Description An account of the resource Charlie Yi Zhang shares his childhood and education in China, and his journey to eventually moving to the United States for his PhD. Zhang discusses gender, sexual and racial norms in China and compares them to the United States. Zhang also discusses his experience of those norms as a gay Chinese man. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context 2018oh336_lgbtq022 Subject The topic of the resource Childhood Education Families. China. China--Cultural policy. China--Foreign relations. China--History. China--Politics and government. China--Social conditions. China--Social life and customs. China--Social policy. Stereotypes (Social psychology) Sexual orientation. Sexual minorities. Sexual minorities--Identity. Homosexuality. Coming out (Sexual orientation) Gay men--Identity. Gays--Identity. Education, Higher College students--Social conditions Gender studies Universities and colleges. Teachers Teaching Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource video https://nunncenter.net/outsouth/files/original/aa4af3d1d11a5a1d36911efefe0c94fd.PNG 173e76fc71d0fd01da1af1d14b450258 Oral History A resource containing historical information obtained in interviews with persons having firsthand knowledge. Interviewer The person(s) performing the interview Adriana Sisko Interviewee The person(s) being interviewed Dawn Josephine Wilson OHMS Object https://nunncenter.net/ohms-spokedb/render.php?cachefile=2018oh322_lgbtq019_ohm.xml Interview Keyword Discrimination in employment Employment--Kentucky Anime Chicago (Ill.) Gender identity in sports. Discrimination in sports Transgender people--Violence against OHMS Object Text 5.2 2018oh322_lgbtq019 Interview with Dawn Josephine Wilson, June 19, 2018 2018oh322_lgbtq019 lgbtq Outsouth: LGBTQ+ Oral History Project Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries (Exhibit) Childhood Families. Hobbies. Religion Coming out (Gender identity) Gender expression. Transgender identity Transgender people. Transgender people--Identity. Politics and government African Americans--Social conditions Politicians Legislation Transgender people--Legal status, laws, etc. Gender identity. Fencing. Fencing coaches Fencing--Training. Sports. Discrimination. Discrimination in employment Employment--Kentucky Anime Chicago (Ill.) Gender identity in sports. Discrimination in sports Transgender people--Violence against Dawn Josephine Wilson Adriana Sisko 0 Vimeo video &lt ; iframe src=&quot ; https://player.vimeo.com/video/278050545&quot ; width=&quot ; 640&quot ; height=&quot ; 360&quot ; frameborder=&quot ; 0&quot ; allowfullscreen&gt ; &lt ; /iframe&gt ; 0 Introduction This is Adriana Sisko at the Nunn Center. Dawn Josephine Wilson is introduced. She gives a brief overview of her career and hobbies. Careers ; Championships ; Commissioners ; Fencing ; Human Relations Commission ; Information technology (IT) 17 66 Childhood Uh, before we get to all of that, because I, I definitely want to know more about all those things, especially the fencing. Wilson talks about her birth in Chicago, Illinois, the death of her parents when she was young, and being adopted by her aunt and uncle. She talks about the way her aunt and uncle raised her and how they influenced her interests. She talks about the friends and family members she played with as a child. Atari ; Athletics ; Aunts ; Baseball ; Boys ; Child rearing ; Child-rearing ; Cousins ; Deaths ; Discrimination ; Fathers ; Friends ; Games ; Gender ; Girls ; Interests ; Kentucky ; Mothers ; Newspapers ; Parents ; Reading ; Sports ; Uncles ; Video games Chicago (Ill.) ; Childhood ; Families. ; Hobbies. 17 444 Middle school and high school Tell me about, um, middle school. Wilson talks about her experiences in middle and high school, including her friends, clubs, and activities. Choirs ; Competition ; Cousins ; Expectations ; Friends ; High schools ; Middle schools ; Speech and debate Childhood ; Education ; Families. 17 656 Religion You mentioned you grew up Pentecostal. Wilson talks about being raised Pentecostal by her parents before their deaths, and then attending a Missionary Baptist church with her aunt and uncle. She talks about the differences between the churches and why she preferred the Pentecostal church. She talks about her experience with the church after coming out as a woman. She talks about preaching a sermon herself and describes the message of the sermon. Adulthood ; ARC principal ; Aunts ; Churches ; Current political administration ; Current political environment ; Divisions ; Ethics ; Fathers ; FDR ; Fear ; Franklin Delano Roosevelt ; Friends ; Messages ; Ministers ; Missionary Baptist churches ; Mothers ; Pentecostal churches ; Preachers ; Reactions ; Sermons ; Uncles ; Values Childhood ; Coming out (Gender identity) ; Gender expression. ; Politics and government ; Religion ; Transgender identity ; Transgender people--Identity. ; Transgender people. 17 1312 Awareness of LGBT people in her early life Growing up, um, what was your awareness of the existence of LGBT people? Wilson discusses her awareness of LGBT people, specifically through Jet magazine. She talks about her own research on transgender people and her learning process prior to coming out. Awareness ; Black community ; Black culture ; Clothes ; Clothing ; Discrimination ; Family ; Gay ; Graduate schools ; High schools ; Internet ; Jet (magazine) ; Joan Roberts ; LGBTQ ; Louisville Gender Society ; Process ; Research ; Resources ; Terms ; Uncles ; World War II African Americans--Social conditions ; Childhood ; Coming out (Gender identity) ; Transgender identity ; Transgender people--Identity. ; Transgender people. 17 1813 Exclusion of gender identity in ENDA (Employment Non-Discrimination Act) How frequently, um, were trans people or the topic of trans things or just gender things mentioned in Jet? Wilson talks more about her awareness of transgender people. She talks about her own involvement in the attempt to pass a version of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act which included gender identity. She talks about how that version of ENDA was changed by the Human Rights Campaign Fund and gender identity was excluded. She talks about her work with politicians to attempt to pass ENDA. Ultimately, ENDA did not pass. Back lobbying ; Barney Frank ; Bills ; Bisexuality ; Christine Jorgensen ; Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) ; Exclusion ; Human Rights Campaign (HRC) ; Human Rights Campaign Fund ; Lorrainne Baskerville ; Lorrainne Sade Baskerville ; Marsha P. Johnson ; Matachine ; Mitch McConnell ; Problematic ; Roberta Angela Dee ; Roberta Brown ; Southern Comfort Transgender Conference ; Strategy ; Sweet Evening Breeze (James Herndon) ; White gay men Gender identity. ; Homosexuality in the workplace. ; Homosexuality--Law and legislation. ; Legislation ; Politicians ; Politics and government ; Transgender identity ; Transgender people--Identity. ; Transgender people--Legal status, laws, etc. ; Transgender people. 17 2601 Southern Comfort Transgender Conference You mentioned Southern Comfort a couple times. Wilson talks about the purpose of the Southern Comfort Transgender Conference and how the organization has changed over time. African Americans ; Black Trans Advocacy Coalition ; Monica Helms ; Robert Eads ; Southern Comfort Transgender Conference ; Transgender community ; Washington, D.C. Gender identity. ; Transgender identity ; Transgender people--Identity. ; Transgender people. ; Washington (D.C.) 17 2861 Louisville Gender Society and BGB Uh, you mentioned a few times the Louisville Gender Society. Wilson talks about the activities of the Louisville Gender Society and the BGB. She talks about violence against transgender people of color. BGB (formerly Bluegrass Belles) ; Going out ; Isolated ; Louisville Gender Society ; Minorities ; Murder ; Public ; Restaurants ; Transgender people of color ; Visibility ; Younger generations African Americans--Social conditions ; Gender identity. ; Transgender identity ; Transgender people--Identity. ; Transgender people--Violence against ; Transgender people. ; Violence 17 3189 Sweet Evening Breeze (&quot ; Sweets&quot ; ) / Personal support system Uh, this is backtracking slightly. Wilson talks about meeting Sweets (Sweet Evening Breeze), a gender non-conforming person who, through the Depression, World War II, and desegregation, cut a path as an openly gay man, drag queen, or possibly a transgender woman. She talks about Sweets' legacy, including a homeless shelter for LGBTQ youth currently being developed. She talks about why Sweets' life was an open secret in the Lexington community. She talks about her own support group when coming out, and some of her family's reactions. Backlash ; Black community ; Black culture ; Churches ; Family ; Gender non-conforming individuals ; Gender non-conforming people ; Homeless shelters ; Legacies ; LGBTQ youth ; Minorities ; Open secrets ; People of color ; Positive attitudes ; Support groups ; Support systems ; Survival ; Sweet Evening Breeze (James Herndon) ; Transition African Americans--Social conditions ; Coming out (Gender identity) ; Families. ; Gender identity. ; Transgender identity ; Transgender people--Identity. ; Transgender people. 17 3717 Coming out This is backtracking a bit but related to the things you're talking about, obviously. Wilson talks about applying the label 'girl' to herself from around the age of five. She talks about sneaking to wear women's clothes around the house when no one was home, and her aunt's reaction when she found out. She talks about her uncle's reaction to her coming out. Aunts ; Clothes ; Clothing ; Discrimination ; Family ; Fashion ; Gender ; Girls ; Labels ; Reactions ; Transition ; Uncles ; Women Childhood ; Coming out (Gender identity) ; Families. ; Gender identity. ; Transgender identity ; Transgender people--Identity. ; Transgender people. 17 4024 Transition What was your emotional experience in transitioning? Wilson describes her emotions upon transitioning. She talks about her strategy for maintaining a career while transitioning. She talks about instances of discrimination she faced. Anger ; Careers ; Emotions ; Internships ; Jobs ; Open ; Reactions ; Relief ; Self-assured ; Teaching ; Transition Childhood ; Coming out (Gender identity) ; Discrimination in employment ; Employment--Kentucky ; Families. ; Gender identity. ; Transgender identity ; Transgender people--Identity. ; Transgender people. 17 4384 Interest in anime You've mentioned a couple times your interest in anime. Wilson talks about her interest in anime, how she became interested through her uncle, and some of her favorite shows and films. She talks about the gender aspects of anime that she connects to. Anime ; Bonding ; Comic books ; Conventions ; Cosplay ; Costumes ; Exploration ; Family ; Saturday morning cartoons ; Transition ; Uncles Childhood ; Coming out (Gender identity) ; Families. ; Gender identity. ; Hobbies. ; Transgender identity ; Transgender people--Identity. ; Transgender people. 17 4898 Fencing Um, I wanted to ask about another one of your interests. Wilson talks about how she became involved in fencing after an injury while playing softball. She talks about when she felt a sense of belonging in the fencing group. She describes in detail her struggles as a transgender woman in fencing tournaments and some of the negative reactions she has received. She talks about her experience on the U.S. National Team and her continued experiences with discrimination. She talks about coaching fencing. Belonging ; Cheating ; Children ; Churches ; Coaching ; Complaints ; Hitting ; Injuries ; Interests ; Kids ; Louisville Fairness Ordinance ; Louisville Fencing School ; Paperwork ; Reactions ; Softball ; Teaching ; Tournaments ; Transition ; U.S. National Fencing Team ; U.S. National Team ; USA Fencing ; Wheelchair fencing Coming out (Gender identity) ; Discrimination in sports ; Fencing coaches ; Fencing--Training. ; Fencing. ; Gender identity in sports. ; Hobbies. ; Sports. ; Transgender identity ; Transgender people--Identity. ; Transgender people. 17 6080 Current political climate You mentioned a couple times now the current administration. Wilson discusses her feelings on the current political administration, their agenda, and the negative impact they are having on various aspects of the world. Agendas ; Anti-gay ; Canada ; China ; Donald Trump ; Hatred ; Jeff Sessions ; Kellyanne Conway ; Mike Pence ; Mike Pompeo ; Military ; Minorities ; People of color ; Religion ; Stephen Miller ; Steve Bannon ; Tariffs ; Troops Discrimination. ; Politicians ; Politics and government ; Transgender people--Legal status, laws, etc. ; Transgender people. 17 6539 Hope for the future So we've looked at, um-- Wilson talks about the things that give her hope for the future, including increased visibility of transgender people in media and educational materials. She talks about the increase in transgender people in elected positions, politics, and other influential professions. The interview is concluded. Ball culture ; Black community ; Black culture ; Changes ; Doctors ; Educational materials ; Elected ; Films ; Future ; Generations ; Hopes ; Human Relations Commission ; Information ; Jazz Jennings ; Media ; Pose (Television show) ; Representation ; Saturday Church (Motion picture) ; Visibility Coming out (Gender identity) ; Gender identity. ; Politicians ; Politics and government ; Transgender identity ; Transgender people--Identity. ; Transgender people. 17 interview Dawn Wilson shares about her life from her illustrious history of political activism, to her passion for fencing, and her experiences as a trans woman of color throughout. Dawn also talks about personally knowing or having met several important transgender and gender non-conforming individuals, including Monica Helms, Marsha P. Johnson, and Sweet Evening Breeze. No transcript. All rights to the interviews, including but not restricted to legal title, copyrights and literary property rights, have been transferred to the University of Kentucky Libraries. video Interviews may only be reproduced with permission from Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries. 0 http://www.nunncenter.net/ohms/render.php?cachefile=2018oh322_lgbtq019_wilson_ohm.xml 2018oh322_lgbtq019_wilson_ohm.xml https://kentuckyoralhistory.org/ark:/16417/xt70gb1xgm7q Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Dawn Josephine Wilson Description An account of the resource Dawn Wilson shares about her life from her illustrious history of political activism, to her passion for fencing, and her experiences as a trans woman of color throughout. Dawn also talks about personally knowing or having met several important transgender and gender non-conforming individuals, including Monica Helms, Marsha P. Johnson, and Sweet Evening Breeze. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context 2018oh322_lgbtq019 Subject The topic of the resource Childhood Families. Hobbies. Religion Coming out (Gender identity) Gender expression. Transgender identity Transgender people. Transgender people--Identity. Politics and government African Americans--Social conditions Politicians Legislation Transgender people--Legal status, laws, etc. Gender identity. Fencing. Fencing coaches Fencing--Training. Sports. Discrimination. 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Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries (Exhibit) Coming out (Sexual orientation) Gay community Gay men--Identity. Sexual minorities--Identity. Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals Gays--Identity. Gays--United States--Social conditions. Homosexuality--Social aspects. Sexual orientation. Kentucky--Politics and government Politicians--Kentucky Law and legislation Discrimination. Gay men--Legal status, laws, etc. Educational law and legislation--Kentucky Healthcare law and legislation--Kentucky Gay rights--United States. Gays--Legal status, laws, etc.--United States. Homosexuality--Law and legislation--United States. Gay couples--Legal status, laws, etc.--United States. 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Ernesto Scorsone is introduced and talks about his family's moves from Italy to Argentina to the United States and why he ultimately settled in Kentucky. 1960 ; Argentina ; Eastern Kentucky University ; Family ; Fathers ; Italy ; Kentucky ; Mothers ; Moving ; New York ; Parents ; United States Childhood ; Emigration and immigration. ; Families. 17 85 Coming out Um, so thinking about, um, your LGBTQ identity and, and a major milestone for so many LGBTQ folks is, uh, is coming out. Scorsone talks about being a 'late bloomer' and not coming out until after finishing law school. He talks about the process of coming out, including his struggle regarding his professional career due to a lack of role models. 1978 ; Activism ; Attorneys ; Boston (Ma.) ; Catholic ; Challenges ; Civil rights ; Comfortable ; Counselors ; Dating ; Friends ; Gay bars ; Gay rights ; Law schools ; Priests ; Professionals ; Role models ; Struggles ; Support groups ; Traumatic Closeted gays. ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Gay community ; Gay men--Identity. ; Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Sexual minorities--Identity. 17 336 Welcoming and unwelcoming places in Kentucky for LGBTQ people So, uh, certainly even before taking on some of these things it sounds like, uh, you know, U, UK was a, a space where, um, you know, you went to school and you were, you were thinking about some of these identity components. Scorsone talks about why he left Eastern Kentucky University after participating in student protests and came to the University of Kentucky. He talks about some of the places in Kentucky that were welcoming and some that were not, and says that gay bars were one of the only comfortable spaces. He talks about meeting another LGBTQ person in the law field and the complicated way they each had to figure it out. Anti-war movement ; Civil rights ; Connections ; Courtrooms ; Criminal law ; Eastern Kentucky University ; Gay bars ; GSO ; Hidden ; Law schools ; Lexington (Ky.) ; Parents ; Politics ; Secrets ; Student rights ; Undergraduate education ; University administration ; University of Kentucky Anti-war demonstrations ; Closeted gays. ; College campuses. ; College environment ; College students--Attitudes. ; College students--Conduct of life. ; College students--Social conditions ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Gay community ; Gay men--Identity. ; Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Student protesters ; Vietnam War, 1961-1975 ; Vietnam War, 1961-1975--Protest movements 17 669 Becoming involved in politics So I think completely connected to that in so many ways, tell us about your, um, your early professional life and, and your transition into politics. Scorsone talks about his early interest in politics during high school, his involvement with lobbying for students' rights in Frankfort during college, and his involvement in political campaigns before running for office himself. He tells a story about an opponent who attempted to out him during a campaign. 1970s ; 1977 ; 1984 ; Board of trustees ; Frankfort (Ky.) ; High schools ; Hunger strikes ; Legislature ; Lobbying ; Names ; Outing ; Political campaigns ; Professional life ; Running for office ; Senate ; Speaker of the House ; Student government presidents ; University of Kentucky ; Voting Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals ; Gays--Identity. ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Kentucky--Politics and government ; Law and legislation ; Politicians--Kentucky ; Sexual orientation. 17 936 Coming out while being a political figure How do you think, um, in the earliest days, uh, you know, beyond this, uh, this, uh, you know, perhaps miss from your opponent in outing you... Scorsone talks about not hiding his sexual orientation while running for office or serving as a political figure. He talks about the way he decided to officially come out as a political figure in order to not make it a big deal and talks about how the other Senators reacted. He talks about his work on legislation to protect LGBTQ state employees from discrimination. 1998 ; Anti-discrimination protection ; Awareness ; Changes ; Comfortable ; Congress ; Dynamics ; Gay bars ; Gay causes ; Gay issues ; Governor Paul Patton ; Husband ; Legislation ; Lobbying ; Open ; Out ; Political campaigns ; Public figures ; Public personas ; Public statements ; Re-election ; Relationships ; Senators ; Sexuality ; Speeches ; State employees Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals ; Gays--Identity. ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Kentucky--Politics and government ; Law and legislation ; Politicians--Kentucky ; Sexual orientation. 17 1313 Involvement with LGBTQ-related legislation--Part I So you mentioned, um, your, uh, your anti-discrimination work that, that ultimately made it to Governor Patton. Scorsone talks more about his work on legislation to protect LGBTQ state employees from discrimination. He talks about his work on including LGBTQ protections in hate crime legislation. He talks about Paul Mason's work on AIDS legislation and education. He discusses his role in challenging Kentucky's sodomy laws. 1985 ; AIDS education ; AIDS legislation ; Anti-discrimination protection ; Arrests ; Bullying legislation ; Challenges ; Civil rights ; Criminal defense ; Dates ; Dragnets ; Gay bars ; Governor Ernie Fletcher ; Governor Paul Patton ; Governor Steve Beshear ; Governor's crime bill ; Hate crime legislation ; Hate crimes ; Job loss ; Judge Tim Philpot ; Judiciary committee ; Legislature ; Lobbying ; Paul Mason ; Provisions ; Ramifications ; Republicans ; Rescinded ; Scandals ; Senate ; Sex workers ; Sodomy laws ; Supreme Court ; Timing Discrimination. ; Gay men--Legal status, laws, etc. ; Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals ; Gay rights--United States. ; Gay rights. ; Gays--Legal status, laws, etc.--United States. ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Law and legislation--United States. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Kentucky--Politics and government ; Law and legislation ; Politicians--Kentucky ; Sexual orientation. 17 1844 Involvement with LGBTQ organizations So you've also had a great deal of impact, uh, in, in creating, helping create, or, or supporting the early days of, of LGBT groups or, or related organizations here in town. Scorsone talks about his involvement in LGBTQ groups like the Pride Community Services Organization (PCSO), JustFundKY, and the AIDS Walk, among others. He talks about the importance of forming a state-wide LGBTQ organization and an endowment to help it continue into the future. AIDS Walk ; Amendments ; Backlash ; Barney Frank ; Corporate sponsors ; Drag queens ; Endowments ; Fundraisers ; JustFundKY ; Kentucky Educational Television (KET) ; Legislature ; LGBTQ groups ; Pride Community Services Organization (PCSO) ; Sodomy laws ; State constitution ; State-wide group AIDS (Disease) ; Gay community ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Lexington (Ky.)--Social conditions ; Lexington (Ky.). 17 2190 Involvement with LGBTQ-related legislation--Part II So, uh, yet an, another important battle you've been a part of for LGBTQ folks in, um, in Kentucky has been around, uh, domestic violence protection for, for same-sex couples. Scorsone talks about his work have LGBTQ couples included in domestic violence protection legislation. Appeals ; Civil rights ; Court of Appeals ; Domestic violence act ; Domestic violence legislation ; Domestic violence victims ; Ireland v. Davis ; Judges ; Legislature ; Protection Discrimination. ; Gay couples--Legal status, laws, etc.--United States. ; Gay men--Legal status, laws, etc. ; Gay rights--United States. ; Gay rights. ; Gays--Legal status, laws, etc.--United States. ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Law and legislation--United States. ; Kentucky--Politics and government ; Law and legislation ; Politicians--Kentucky ; Sexual orientation. 17 2318 Husband, John Davis Uh, shifting back a little bit out of, um, you know, out of the legislative mode to, to thinking about um--you know in a more personal family way... Scorsone talks about how he met his now-husband, John Davis. He talks about their shared interests. AIDS Walk ; Front Runners ; Gay running groups ; Hobbies ; Houses ; Husband ; Interests ; John Davis ; Kentucky Fairness Alliance ; Politics ; Wedding bands Gay community ; Gay couples. 17 2526 Current work as a circuit court judge Uh, so tell us about, um, your current work, um, as a, as a circuit court judge and, um, and, and what is exciting or challenging in, in 2017 for, for Ernesto Scorsone. Scorsone talks about his current work as a Fayette Circuit Court Judge. He talks about how he has been accepted by his fellow judges. He talks about some of the accomplishments that he is most proud of. 'Judicial prom' ; Acceptance ; Awareness ; Circuit court judges ; Conciliation conferences ; Criminal justice system ; Education legislation ; Foreclosures ; Healthcare legislation ; Husband ; John Davis ; Out ; Proud ; Spouses Educational law and legislation--Kentucky ; Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Healthcare law and legislation--Kentucky ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Kentucky--Politics and government ; Law and legislation ; Politicians--Kentucky ; Sexual orientation. 17 2799 Involvement with healthcare and education legislation Well that, that raises another, maybe a, a two-part good question here. Scorsone talks about some of his proudest accomplishments in terms of healthcare and education legislation. 1990 ; Board of Trustees ; Coldstream Research Campus ; Education legislation ; End of life care ; Funding ; Healthcare legislation ; Higher education ; Kentucky Education Reform Act (KERA) ; Living wills ; Mammogram screenings ; Minority representation ; Proud ; Republicans ; Teachers ; University of Kentucky ; Women's health Education, Higher--Kentucky ; Educational law and legislation--Kentucky ; Healthcare law and legislation--Kentucky ; Kentucky--Politics and government ; Law and legislation ; Politicians--Kentucky 17 3061 Plans for the future So in 2017, a, and looking towards the future, what, what excites you and what do you, what do you want to engage in? Scorsone talks about his role as a fundraiser to continue to help LGBTQ people in Kentucky into the future. Connections ; Endowments ; Fundraising ; Future ; Generations ; Older people ; Roles Gay community ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. 17 3188 University of Kentucky as a leader in Lexington on LGBTQ issues So as we wrap up, um, is there anything you want to tell us or talk about that we haven't asked? Scorsone talks about UK's role in Lexington in terms of pushing forward LGBTQ protections and being a role model for other businesses. The interview is concluded. Corporate sponsorships ; Domestic partnership benefits ; Fairness ordinances ; Fundraisers ; Leadership ; Lee Todd ; Opportunities ; Power ; Role models ; State-wide fairness alliances College administrators ; College environment ; College presidents ; Gay community ; Gay rights--United States. ; Gay rights. ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Lexington (Ky.) ; University of Kentucky 17 interview Ernesto Scorsone is a lawyer, politician, and judge from Kentucky. At the time of this interview he is serving as Fayette Circuit Court Judge. In this interview he discusses his personal background, his coming out experience, and the places in Kentucky where he felt welcome and those where he felt unwelcome. He talks about his early interest in politics, running for office, and his experience as an out gay man in politics. He talks about his involvement in passing LGBTQ-related legislation, as well as healthcare and education legislation. No transcript. All rights to the interviews, including but not restricted to legal title, copyrights and literary property rights, have been transferred to the University of Kentucky Libraries. video Interviews may only be reproduced with permission from Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries. 0 http://www.nunncenter.net/ohms/render.php?cachefile=2017oh764_lgbtq007_scorsone_ohm.xml 2017oh764_lgbtq007_scorsone_ohm.xml https://oralhistory.uky.edu/catalog/xt70gb1xgm7q Sort Priority 0008 Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Ernesto Scorsone Description An account of the resource Ernesto Scorsone is a lawyer, politician, and judge from Kentucky. At the time of this interview he is serving as Fayette Circuit Court Judge. In this interview he discusses his personal background, his coming out experience, and the places in Kentucky where he felt welcome and those where he felt unwelcome. He talks about his early interest in politics, running for office, and his experience as an out gay man in politics. He talks about his involvement in passing LGBTQ-related legislation, as well as healthcare and education legislation. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context 2017oh764_lgbtq007 Subject The topic of the resource Coming out (Sexual orientation) Gay community Gay men--Identity. Sexual minorities--Identity. Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals Gays--Identity. Gays--United States--Social conditions. Homosexuality--Social aspects. Sexual orientation. Kentucky--Politics and government Politicians--Kentucky Law and legislation Discrimination. 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Interviewer The person(s) performing the interview Lance Poston Interviewee The person(s) being interviewed Gilda Wabbit Sam Themer OHMS Object https://nunncenter.net/ohms-spokedb/render.php?cachefile=2017oh232_lgbtq001_ohm.xml Interview Keyword Opera Drag queens Future That Liberals Want meme Internet memes Childhood University of Kentucky OHMS Object Text 5 2017oh232_lgbtq001 Interview with Gilda Wabbit (Sam Themer), April 5, 2017 2017oh232_lgbtq001 ohlgbtq Kentucky LGBTQ Oral History Collection lgbtq001 Kentucky LGBTQ Oral History Project Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries (Exhibit) Coming out (Sexual orientation) Gays--Family relationships. Music Performing arts--Kentucky. Lexington (Ky.). Gay community Sexual minorities--Identity. Gays--United States--Social conditions. Homosexuality--Religious aspects. Kentucky--Religion New York (N.Y.) Drag shows Gay culture. Homosexuality--Social aspects. Female impersonators. Opera Drag queens Future That Liberals Want meme Internet memes Childhood University of Kentucky Gilda Wabbit Sam Themer Lance Poston 0 Vimeo video &lt ; iframe allowFullScreen frameborder=&quot ; 0&quot ; height=&quot ; 564&quot ; mozallowfullscreen src=&quot ; https://player.vimeo.com/video/252974863&quot ; webkitAllowFullScreen width=&quot ; 640&quot ; &gt ; &lt ; /iframe&gt ; 1 Connection to Kentucky through the arts So painting with broad strokes, tell us about yourself and early memories. Gilda Wabbit (Sam Themer) talks about her childhood in Kentucky, growing up in Louisville and Frankfort as the &quot ; artsy&quot ; &quot ; weird&quot ; kid. She talks about her connection to the Commonwealth through the arts, especially music. Art scene ; Artsy ; Bluegrass ; Commonwealth of Kentucky ; Drag queens ; Frankfort (Ky.) ; Louisville (Ky.) ; Opera ; Out of place ; Singing ; University of Kentucky (UK) ; Weird ; Work Childhood ; Music ; Performing arts--Kentucky. 38.197, -84.863 17 Frankfort (Ky.) 152 Coming out I, I recognize in asking that that, um, I haven't sort of asked you to do an intro of yourself. Gilda Wabbit gives a brief self-introduction. She talks about her process of coming out, first to friends, then her high school and family. She tells the story of coming out to her parents in high school after undergoing nasal surgery. Acceptance ; Bisexual ; Bisexuality ; Breakups ; Dating ; Deviated septum ; Drag ; Family ; Friends ; High school ; Kentucky ; Mothers ; New York (N.Y.) ; New York City (N.Y.) ; Opera ; Process ; Surgery Closeted gays. ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Families. ; Gay high school students ; Gay men--Family relationships--United States. ; Gay teenagers. ; Gay youth ; Gays--Family relationships. ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Sexual minorities--Identity. 17 355 University of Kentucky vocal music program Um, so you've alluded to this a bit already, um, but tell us more about your experience at the University of Kentucky. Gilda Wabbit talks about her experience at UK, majoring in opera. She talks about feeling out of place even in the arts program. She talks about often being cast as villains and the trope that villains are often portrayed with stereotypically homosexual qualities. &quot ; Theater kid&quot ; ; Bachelor's degrees ; Barriers ; Casting ; Friends ; Opera ; Out of place ; Tropes ; University of Kentucky (UK) ; Villains ; Vocal music program ; Voice ; Weird Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Music ; Performing arts--Kentucky. ; Sexual minority college students ; University of Kentucky 38.033333, -84.5 17 University of Kentucky 485 Safe spaces in the Lexington community So, so expanding beyond, um, UK and your time, um, in Lexington and, and sort of the broader community... Gilda Wabbit talks about her tense relationship with Kentucky, partially due to feeling discouraged by various parts of the community in regards to being her true self. She talks about religious conservatism in Kentucky, but also discusses her acceptance within her childhood church as well as the church she later joined, First Presbyterian. She talks about safe spaces within local bars and the kinship between queer people. 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Gilda Wabbit talks about how she became interested in drag after she moved to New York. She describes her first time performing drag. She talks about participating in competitions and the advice she received about drag as a career. She talks about the decision to change her stage name from Beverly Leslie Sills to Gilda Wabbit, and how she has made drag her full-time job. Applause ; Audience reactions ; Bars ; Beverly Leslie Stills ; Boxed in ; Careers ; Characters ; Competitions ; Day jobs ; Decisions ; Drag queens ; Dreams ; Dresses ; Gigs ; Jobs ; Losing ; Name changes ; New York City (N.Y.) ; On the right track ; Opera ; Performing ; Queerness ; Roles ; Singing ; Stage names ; Unhappy ; Wigs ; Winning Drag shows ; Female impersonators. ; Gay culture. ; Gay men. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; New York (N.Y.) ; Sexual minorities. 40.7127, -74.0059 17 New York City (N.Y.) 1151 Involvement in the &quot ; Future That Liberals Want&quot ; meme So, so you, you allude, uh--or you just alluded to, um, this photo, the, the &quot ; Future That Liberals Want.&quot ; Gilda Wabbit talks about a photo that was taken of her on the subway sitting next to a woman in traditional modesty garb. The photo was posted on Instagram and eventually became a meme. The meme was originally meant to be a negative message about liberals, but was turned around into a positive message about diversity and acceptance of others. Gilda Wabbit talks about doing interviews with various media outlets about political issues surrounding the meme. Acceptance ; Alt-Right ; Authentic life ; Authentic self ; Buzzfeed ; Clothing ; Co-existence ; Co-existing ; Conservatives ; Costumes ; Diversity ; Drag queens ; Fame ; Future That Liberals Want meme ; Instagram ; Internet memes ; Interviews ; Liberals ; Modesty garb ; New York City (N.Y.) ; Photographs ; Photos ; Political issues ; Representation ; Social media ; True self ; Twitter Conservatism ; Drag shows ; Female impersonators. ; Gay culture. ; Gay men. ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Liberalism ; Mass media and gays ; New York (N.Y.) ; Sexual minorities. 40.7127, -74.0059 17 New York City (N.Y.) https://www.buzzfeed.com/juliareinstein/this-is-the-future-liberals-want?utm_term=.mtaBBKy0l#.fe1YYvMnN Link to the Buzzfeed article on the Future That Liberals Want meme that Gilda references. 1561 Current and future work So what are you up to now? Gilda Wabbit talks about doing drag as her full-time job. She talks about how the show RuPaul's Drag Race affected her life. She talks about doing speaking engagements and being grateful for the opportunity to speak to people about acceptance and being empathetic toward one another. The interview is concluded. Authentic life ; Authentic self ; Diversity ; Drag queens ; Empathy ; Entitlement ; Family ; Fathers ; Future ; Gratefulness ; Messages ; New York City (N.Y.) ; Performance ; Political issues ; Politics ; Preparation ; Privilege ; RuPaul's Drag Race (Television program) ; Speaking engagements ; True self ; Working Drag shows ; Families. ; Female impersonators. ; Gay culture. ; Gay men. ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Lexington (Ky.). ; New York (N.Y.) ; Sexual minorities. 40.7127, -74.0059 17 New York City (N.Y.) interview Drag queen Gilda Wabbit (Sam Themer) talks about her childhood in Kentucky, growing up in Louisville and Frankfort as the &quot ; artsy&quot ; &quot ; weird&quot ; kid. She talks about her connection to the Commonwealth through the arts, especially music. She talks about her process of coming out, first to friends, then her high school and family. She tells the story of coming out to her parents in high school after undergoing nasal surgery. Gilda Wabbit talks about her experience at UK, majoring in opera. She talks about feeling out of place even in the arts program. She talks about often being cast as villains and the trope that villains portray stereotypically homosexual qualities. Gilda Wabbit talks about her tense relationship with Kentucky, partially due to feeling discouraged by various parts of the community in regards to being her true self. She talks about religious conservatism in Kentucky, but also discusses her acceptance within her childhood church as well as the church she later joined, First Presbyterian. She talks about safe spaces within local bars and the kinship between queer people. Gilda Wabbit talks about how she became interested in drag after she had moved to New York. She describes her first time performing drag. She talks about participating in competitions and the advice she received about drag as a career. She talks about the decision to change her stage name from Beverly Leslie Sills to Gilda Wabbit, and how she has made drag her fulltime job. Gilda Wabbit talks about a photo that was taken of her on the subway sitting next to a woman in traditional modesty garb. The photo was posted on Instagram and eventually became a meme. The meme was originally meant to be a negative message about liberals, but was turned around into a positive message about diversity and acceptance of others. Gilda Wabbit talks about doing interviews with various media outlets about political issues surrounding the meme. Gilda Wabbit talks about doing drag as her fulltime job. She talks about how the show RuPaul's Drag Race affected her life. She talks about doing speaking engagements and being grateful for the opportunity to speak to people about acceptance and being empathetic toward one another. No transcript. All rights to the interviews, including but not restricted to legal title, copyrights and literary property rights, have been transferred to the University of Kentucky Libraries. video Interviews may only be reproduced with permission from Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries. 0 http://www.nunncenter.net/ohms/render.php?cachefile=2017oh232_lgbtq001_wabbit_ohm.xml 2017oh232_lgbtq001_wabbit_ohm.xml https://oralhistory.uky.edu/catalog/xt70gb1xgm7q Sort Priority 0001 Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Gilda Wabbit (Sam Themer) Description An account of the resource Drag queen Gilda Wabbit (Sam Themer) talks about her childhood in Kentucky, growing up in Louisville and Frankfort as the "artsy" "weird" kid. She talks about her connection to the Commonwealth through the arts, especially music. She talks about her process of coming out, first to friends, then her high school and family. She tells the story of coming out to her parents in high school after undergoing nasal surgery. Gilda Wabbit talks about her experience at UK, majoring in opera. She talks about feeling out of place even in the arts program. She talks about often being cast as villains and the trope that villains portray stereotypically homosexual qualities. Gilda Wabbit talks about her tense relationship with Kentucky, partially due to feeling discouraged by various parts of the community in regards to being her true self. She talks about religious conservatism in Kentucky, but also discusses her acceptance within her childhood church as well as the church she later joined, First Presbyterian. She talks about safe spaces within local bars and the kinship between queer people. Gilda Wabbit talks about how she became interested in drag after she had moved to New York. She describes her first time performing drag. She talks about participating in competitions and the advice she received about drag as a career. She talks about the decision to change her stage name from Beverly Leslie Sills to Gilda Wabbit, and how she has made drag her fulltime job. Gilda Wabbit talks about a photo that was taken of her on the subway sitting next to a woman in traditional modesty garb. The photo was posted on Instagram and eventually became a meme. The meme was originally meant to be a negative message about liberals, but was turned around into a positive message about diversity and acceptance of others. Gilda Wabbit talks about doing interviews with various media outlets about political issues surrounding the meme. Gilda Wabbit talks about doing drag as her fulltime job. She talks about how the show RuPaul's Drag Race affected her life. She talks about doing speaking engagements and being grateful for the opportunity to speak to people about acceptance and being empathetic toward one another. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context 2017oh232_lgbtq001 Subject The topic of the resource Coming out (Sexual orientation) Gays--Family relationships. Music Performing arts--Kentucky. Lexington (Ky.). Gay community Sexual minorities--Identity. Gays--United States--Social conditions. Homosexuality--Religious aspects. Kentucky--Religion New York (N.Y.) Drag shows Gay culture. Homosexuality--Social aspects. Female impersonators. 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Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries (Exhibit) Gay men--Identity. Sexual minorities--Identity. Sexual orientation. Gays--Family relationships. Boy Scouts of America. Lexington (Ky.). Sexual minorities' families. University of Kentucky Gay community Homosexuality--Religious aspects. Homosexuality--Social aspects. Discrimination. Religion Churches Gay couples. Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals Gays--United States--Social conditions. Obergefell v. Hodges Marriage equality Same-sex marriages Bourke v. Beshear University of Louisville Homophobia. Coming out (Sexual orientation) Louisville (Ky.) Greg Bourke Lance Poston 0 Kaltura video &lt ; iframe src=&quot ; https://cdnapisec.kaltura.com/p/2106141/sp/210614100/embedIframeJs/uiconf_id/34339901/partner_id/2106141?iframeembed=true&amp ; playerId=kaltura_player_1513103721&amp ; entry_id=1_ai8tnx1s&amp ; flashvars[streamerType]=auto&quot ; width=&quot ; 560&quot ; height=&quot ; 315&quot ; allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozAllowFullScreen frameborder=&quot ; 0&quot ; style=&quot ; width: 560px ; height: 315px ; &quot ; itemprop=&quot ; video&quot ; itemscope itemtype=&quot ; http://schema.org/VideoObject&quot ; &gt ; &lt ; span itemprop=&quot ; name&quot ; content=&quot ; 2017oh763_lgbtq006_bourke_acc003&quot ; &gt ; &lt ; /span&gt ; &lt ; span itemprop=&quot ; description&quot ; content=&quot ; &quot ; &gt ; &lt ; /span&gt ; &lt ; span itemprop=&quot ; duration&quot ; content=&quot ; 3265&quot ; &gt ; &lt ; /span&gt ; &lt ; span itemprop=&quot ; thumbnail&quot ; content=&quot ; http://cfvod.kaltura.com/p/2106141/sp/210614100/thumbnail/entry_id/1_ai8tnx1s/version/100001&quot ; &gt ; &lt ; /span&gt ; &lt ; span itemprop=&quot ; width&quot ; content=&quot ; 560&quot ; &gt ; &lt ; /span&gt ; &lt ; span itemprop=&quot ; height&quot ; content=&quot ; 315&quot ; &gt ; &lt ; /span&gt ; &lt ; /iframe&gt ; 0 Personal background Welcome Greg. Greg Bourke is introduced and gives a brief overview of his childhood in Louisville, Kentucky. Family ; Kentucky ; Proud ; Roman Catholic Childhood ; Families. ; Louisville (Ky.) ; Religion 17 75 Coming out So, um, we know for many LGBTQ folks, uh, the first time someone comes out is a significant life milestone. Bourke talks about coming out in 1976 and the process of coming out to people one-on-one. He talks about having to take time to 'come to terms' with his sexual orientation. He talks about the overall support he received from his family and friends. 1976 ; Acceptance ; All-boys high schools ; Attitudes ; Catholic high schools ; Churches ; Comfort level ; Coming out experiences ; Coming out process ; Different ; Difficult ; Family ; Friends ; High schools ; One-on-one ; Reactions ; Rejection ; Risky ; Supportive Closeted gays. ; College environment ; College students--Social conditions ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Gay men--Identity. ; Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals ; Gays--Family relationships. ; Sexual minorities' families. ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual minority college students ; Sexual orientation. ; University of Louisville 17 368 Meeting his husband Michael DeLeon and their life together So a part of this, uh, right, coming out or growing process or, or milestones, uh, at least in your life, would involve, uh, your now-husband. Bourke talks about coming to Lexington, Kentucky to attend the University of Kentucky. He talks about meeting his now-husband Michael DeLeon at The Bar, and describes how their relationship developed. He talks about their decision to move in together, and their later decision to move to Connecticut for a few years before returning to Kentucky. 1982 ; 1987 ; Break-ins ; Burglary ; Careers ; Commitments ; Connecticut ; Dating ; Family ; Graduate schools ; Graduation ; Houses ; Husband ; Jobs ; Kentucky ; Louisville (Ky.) ; Michael DeLeon ; Moving in ; Parents ; Relationships ; Stability ; The Bar (Bar) Gay bars ; Gay community ; Gay couples. ; Gay culture. ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Sexual minorities' families. ; University of Kentucky 17 743 Welcoming and unwelcoming places in Lexington for LGBTQ people So in, in thinking about, um, the, the first moment you all had together right here at, at UK-- Bourke talks about places in Lexington where he felt comfortable as an out gay man, and places he did not. He tells a story about a bomb threat being called in at UK when an LGBTQ student group attempted to form. He talks about The Bar as a sort of 'community center' for LGBTQ people. He talks about being accepted at the Catholic church in Lexington. Bomb threats ; Comfortable ; Connections ; Discrimination ; Films ; Harassment ; Historic St. Paul Catholic Church ; Kentucky Kernel (Newspaper) ; Kentucky Theater ; Meetings ; Roman Catholic ; Student Center ; Student organizations ; The Bar (Bar) ; Welcoming Gay community ; Gay couples. ; Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homophobia. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Religion ; University of Kentucky 17 975 Role of religion in his life So you, you mentioned, right, uh, you just talked a bit about the religious space, the Catholic church here in town that you, um, found to be... Bourke discusses the role of religion in his life as well as in his relationship with his husband Michael. He talks about their acceptance at their own church, but says there was still conflict with the higher Catholic Church officials. 1987 ; Acceptance ; Arch bishops ; Boy scout troops ; Conflicts ; Controversial ; Difficult ; Faith ; Family ; Impact ; Involvement ; Leadership ; Marriage ; Parishes ; Pastors ; Relationships ; Roman Catholic Churches ; Discrimination. ; Gay couples. ; Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Religious aspects. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Religion 17 1294 Conflict with the Boy Scouts of America You, you mentioned, um, conflict around the Boy Scouts. Bourke talks about how he first became involved with the Boy Scouts when his son became a member. He talks about the Boy Scouts of America's position on LGBTQ members, and his decision to become a scout leader even though it meant going back in the closet. He talks about his decision to no longer hide his sexual orientation and the reaction of the Boy Scouts of America which led him to resign as a scout leader. He talks about his involvement in protests against the Boy Scouts of America's policies. 'In the closet' ; Acceptance ; Activism ; Changes ; Children ; Churches ; Conflicts ; Cub scouts ; Disbanded ; Eagle coaches ; Leadership ; Membership ; Michael DeLeon ; Parishes ; Participation ; Pastors ; Policies ; Protests ; Rallies ; Religious organizations ; Resignation ; Schools ; Scouting ; Scouting activities ; Scouts for Equality ; Sons ; Supportive ; Witch hunts Boy Scouts of America. ; Churches ; Closeted gays. ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Discrimination. ; Gay couples. ; Gay men--Family relationships--United States. ; Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals ; Gay men--United States--Social conditions. ; Gays--Family relationships. ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Religious aspects. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Religion ; Sexual minority parents. 17 1847 Involvement in the Kentucky same-sex marriage case Bourke v. Beshear So your work with the Scouts certainly has, has--sounds like a, a significant part of your life and your activism and something that continues. Bourke talks about his and his husband Michael's decision to get married in Canada in 2004. He talks about how the Proposition 8 decision and the United States v. Windsor decision led to their decision to file a lawsuit in Kentucky to attempt to have their marriage recognized in the state. He talks about the initial reactions to their lawsuit and how that changed over time. 2004 ; Acceptance ; Activism ; Attitudes ; Attorneys ; Bans ; Canada ; Comments ; Constitutional amendments ; Decisions ; Democrats ; Governor Steve Beshear ; Hate ; Kentucky ; Lawsuits ; Legal challenges ; Marriage equality ; Married ; Media coverage ; Michael DeLeon ; Out ; Plaintiffs ; Politicians ; Prop 8 (Proposition 8) ; Reactions ; Recognition ; Rulings ; Same-sex marriage ; South ; State ; Supportive ; United States v. Windsor ; Voting Gay couples. ; Gay men--Family relationships--United States. ; Gay men--Legal status, laws, etc. ; Gay men--United States--Social conditions. ; Gay rights movement ; Gay rights--United States. ; Gay rights. ; Gays--Family relationships. ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Law and legislation--United States. 17 2465 Family as motivation for involvement in Bourke v. Beshear So what--in, in all of this, what role did, uh, did family play in, in motivating and continuing to give you energy through that, uh, that legal process? Bourke talks about how his lack of rights as an adoptive parent were one of the motivating factors for filing the same-sex marriage lawsuit. Adopted ; Children ; Family ; Kentucky ; Lawsuits ; Marriage equality ; Motivations ; Ramifications ; Recognition ; Roles ; Same-sex marriage ; Security ; Single parent adoption ; Supportive Families. ; Gay adoption. ; Gay couples. ; Gay men--Family relationships--United States. ; Gay men--Legal status, laws, etc. ; Gay men--United States--Social conditions. ; Gay parents. ; Gay rights movement ; Gay rights--United States. ; Gay rights. ; Gays--Family relationships. ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Law and legislation--United States. ; Sexual minority parents. 17 2659 Day of the Supreme Court's decision on Obergefell v. Hodges Can you, um, what--can you recall sort of the, the day that the ruling came down in the Supreme Court and what that--where you were and what that felt like? Bourke recounts the proceedings and emotions on the day the decision on Obergefell v. Hodges was announced. He and his family were in the courtroom. Anticipation ; Bomb threats ; Children ; Courtrooms ; Decision day ; Emotional ; Family ; Joyous ; Judge Anthony Kennedy ; Justices ; Kentucky ; Media ; Plaintiffs ; Restraint ; Rulings ; Security ; Supreme Court Families. ; Gay couples. ; Gay men--Family relationships--United States. ; Gay men--Legal status, laws, etc. ; Gay men--United States--Social conditions. ; Gay rights movement ; Gay rights--United States. ; Gay rights. ; Gays--Family relationships. ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Law and legislation--United States. ; Sexual minority parents. 17 2933 Involvement in activism and advocacy So in thinking about, uh, other things you're up to these days, what, um, what other kinds of activism and advocacy are you involved in? Bourke discusses other ways he is involved in LGBTQ activism and advocacy, including being a founding member of the Pride Network Resource Group at Humana, as well as his work with several LGBTQ alumni groups and his involvement with his church. Activism ; Advocacy ; Alumni groups ; Careers ; Catholic Church ; Churches ; Founding members ; HRC Corporate Equality Index ; Humana Inc. ; Jobs ; LGBTQ resource groups ; Michael DeLeon ; Notre Dame University ; Pride Network Resource Group ; PrideCats ; Progress ; Recognition ; Religion ; University of Kentucky ; University of Louisville Employment--Kentucky ; Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Occupations ; Universities and colleges--Alumni and alumnae. 17 3143 Final thoughts So to sort of wrap us up here, um, what do you want to share that we haven't asked? Bourke closes by discussing his outlook on being out in various spaces, saying &quot ; if we leave, they win.&quot ; He talks about the change he has seen occur in his lifetime in these spaces. The interview is concluded. Changes ; Churches ; Criticism ; Jobs ; Kentucky ; Messages ; Out ; Religion Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. 17 interview Greg Bourke and his husband Michael DeLeon were the plaintiffs in the Kentucky same-sex marriage case Bourke v. Beshear which later went to the Supreme Court as part of the Obergefell v. Hodges case which ruled that the fundamental right to marry is guaranteed to same-sex couples. In this interview, Greg Bourke discusses his experience of coming out as a gay man in Kentucky, and talks about places in Lexington, Kentucky that were welcoming and those that were not. He discusses his conflict with the Boy Scouts of America due to their policy against LGBTQ members. He talks about meeting his husband Michael DeLeon and their involvement in the same-sex marriage cases Bourke v. Beshear and Obergefell v. Hodges. He discusses the role of religion in his life, his involvement in activism, and his family. No transcript. All rights to the interviews, including but not restricted to legal title, copyrights and literary property rights, have been transferred to the University of Kentucky Libraries. video Interviews may only be reproduced with permission from Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries. 0 http://www.nunncenter.net/ohms/render.php?cachefile=2017oh763_lgbtq006_bourke_ohm.xml 2017oh763_lgbtq006_bourke_ohm.xml https://oralhistory.uky.edu/catalog/xt70gb1xgm7q Sort Priority 0006 Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Greg Bourke Description An account of the resource Greg Bourke and his husband Michael DeLeon were the plaintiffs in the Kentucky same-sex marriage case Bourke v. Beshear which later went to the Supreme Court as part of the Obergefell v. Hodges case which ruled that the fundamental right to marry is guaranteed to same-sex couples. In this interview, Greg Bourke discusses his experience of coming out as a gay man in Kentucky, and talks about places in Lexington, Kentucky that were welcoming and those that were not. He discusses his conflict with the Boy Scouts of America due to their policy against LGBTQ members. He talks about meeting his husband Michael DeLeon and their involvement in the same-sex marriage cases Bourke v. Beshear and Obergefell v. Hodges. He discusses the role of religion in his life, his involvement in activism, and his family. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context 2017oh763_lgbtq006 Subject The topic of the resource Gay men--Identity. Sexual minorities--Identity. Sexual orientation. Gays--Family relationships. Boy Scouts of America. Lexington (Ky.). Sexual minorities' families. University of Kentucky Gay community Homosexuality--Religious aspects. Homosexuality--Social aspects. Discrimination. Religion Churches Gay couples. Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals Gays--United States--Social conditions. Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource video https://nunncenter.net/outsouth/files/original/28c3acdd83795d29a5d68ef4f2af0dc3.PNG 46a0e87aec2d6ada8c7f632fb76692f7 Oral History A resource containing historical information obtained in interviews with persons having firsthand knowledge. Interviewer The person(s) performing the interview Adriana Sisko Interviewee The person(s) being interviewed J. P. Davis OHMS Object https://nunncenter.net/ohms-spokedb/render.php?cachefile=2018oh355_lgbtq024_ohm.xml Interview Keyword Politics and government Politicians Republican Party (U.S. : 1854- ) Education OHMS Object Text 5.2 2018oh355_lgbtq024 Interview with J.P. Davis, July 13, 2018 2018oh355_lgbtq024 lgbtq Outsouth: LGBTQ+ Oral History Project Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries (Exhibit) Ashland (Ky.) Childhood Families. Closeted gays. Gay men--Family relationships--United States. Gays--Family relationships. Homosexuality. Sexual minorities' families. Sexual minorities. Sexual orientation. Religion Churches Homosexuality--Religious aspects. Gay men--Identity. Coming out (Sexual orientation) Politics and government Politicians Republican Party (U.S. : 1854- ) Education J. P. Davis Adriana Sisko 0 Vimeo video &lt ; iframe src=&quot ; https://player.vimeo.com/video/280365826&quot ; width=&quot ; 640&quot ; height=&quot ; 360&quot ; frameborder=&quot ; 0&quot ; allowfullscreen&gt ; &lt ; /iframe&gt ; 0 Childhood in Ashland, Kentucky This is Adriana Sisko and we are in the Nunn Center. J. P. Davis is introduced. He talks about growing up in Ashland, Kentucky. He talks about his relationship with his parents and his two brothers. He talks about his parents' careers, attitudes, and social standing in the community. He briefly mentions the conflict between himself and his parents regarding his sexual orientation. Ashland Oil ; Beauty pageants ; Brothers ; Closeted ; Conflicts ; Effects ; Elementary schools ; Fast food ; Fathers ; Fighting ; Grandparents ; Growing up ; Impact ; Jobs ; Louisville (Ky.) ; Mothers ; Parents ; Reasons ; Sports ; Upbringing Ashland (Ky.) ; Childhood ; Closeted gays. ; Education ; Employment--Kentucky ; Families. ; Gay men--Family relationships--United States. ; Gays--Family relationships. ; Homosexuality. ; Sexual minorities' families. ; Sexual minorities. ; Sexual orientation. 17 358 Hiding his sexual orientation in middle school and high school But, um, but, yeah, Ashland was great. Davis talks about his brother's interest in sports in school and talks about how his own interests and personality differed. He talks about being aware of being gay very early in life and talks about others' perceptions of his sexuality. He talks about his personal feelings regarding his sexual orientation and why he kept it hidden for so long. He talks about the attitudes of his parents, classmates, and community regarding sexuality, race, and gender. Apologies ; Awareness ; Brothers ; Bullied ; Bullying ; Classmates ; Colleges ; Crushes ; Dating ; Different ; Fairview High School ; Hiding ; High schools ; Homophobia ; Homophobic ; Middle schools ; Name changes ; Parents ; Peers ; Perceptions ; Popularity ; Racism ; Racist ; School principals ; Sexism ; Sexist ; Social life ; Sports ; Student body presidents Ashland (Ky.) ; Childhood ; Churches ; Closeted gays. ; Education ; Families. ; Gay men--Family relationships--United States. ; Gay men--Identity. ; Gays--Family relationships. ; Homosexuality--Religious aspects. ; Homosexuality. ; Religion ; Sexual minorities' families. ; Sexual minorities. ; Sexual orientation. 17 744 Decision to come out So, um, it wasn't until I finished undergrad and went to England and worked in Parliament... Davis talks about studying abroad in England after college and the experience that led him to decide to come out. Avoidance ; Avoiding ; Colleges ; Dating ; England ; Hiding ; Ignoring ; London (England) ; London School of Economics ; Parliament ; Relationships Closeted gays. ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Dates (Social engagements) ; Dating (Social customs) ; Gay men--Identity. ; Homosexuality. ; Interpersonal relations ; Sexual minorities. ; Sexual orientation. 17 898 His brother being outed Um, I--to this day, um--I can tell you--I want to back up before I tell you how I came out... Davis talks about an incident before he left for college in which someone told him his brother was gay and then he outed his brother to his parents. He talks about how these events changed his family. He talks about his relationship with his brother currently. Brothers ; China ; Christian schools ; Colleges ; Critical ; Fathers ; Friends ; LGBTQ youth ; Mothers ; Outing ; Parents ; Reactions ; Regrets ; Resentment ; Therapy ; university of Louisville Ashland (Ky.) ; Childhood ; Churches ; Closeted gays. ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Education ; Families. ; Gay men--Family relationships--United States. ; Gay men--Identity. ; Gays--Family relationships. ; Homosexuality--Religious aspects. ; Homosexuality. ; Religion ; Sexual minorities' families. ; Sexual minorities. ; Sexual orientation. 17 1226 Coming out experience But, um, you know, my mom and dad, you know, they're something else. Davis talks about coming out to his parents via a letter. He talks about their negative reactions and how they led to his desire to be an advocate for LGBTQ youth. He talks about how coming out to his boss was very stressful, but says that his boss' positive reaction gave him a lot of confidence and security. He talks about his difficulty fitting in to the LGBTQ social scene. Advice ; Advocates ; Awareness ; Brothers ; Bush Administration ; Conservative ; Expectations ; Fathers ; Fears ; Fitting in ; Gay bars ; Hurt ; Jobs ; Judgment ; Letters ; LGBTQ youth ; Life choices ; Mothers ; Owsley Brown Frazier ; Parents ; Personal assistants ; Prodigy ; Questions ; Reactions ; Regrets ; Republicans ; Responsibility ; Scared ; Security ; Social scenes ; Suicide ; Understanding ; Young people Ashland (Ky.) ; Childhood ; Closeted gays. ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Families. ; Gay men--Family relationships--United States. ; Gay men--Identity. ; Gays--Family relationships. ; Homosexuality. ; Sexual minorities' families. ; Sexual minorities. ; Sexual orientation. 17 1818 Role of religion in his life Um, I want to hear more about the church you attended growing up. Davis describes the church he and his family attended during his childhood. He talks about being very involved in the church, and also talks about the negative messages preached at the church. He talks about how his family's relationship with the church changed after his brother was outed as gay. He discusses his current feelings about church and religion. Beliefs ; Brothers ; Christian schools ; Church camps ; Conflicts ; Conservative ; Divisiveness ; Fathers ; Following ; Friends ; Influence ; Kicked out ; Leadership ; Mission trips ; Mothers ; Negative ; Parents ; Preachers ; Religious ; Rose Hill Christian Church ; Sermons ; Social groups ; Spiritual ; Summer camps ; Yelling ; Youth groups Ashland (Ky.) ; Childhood ; Churches ; Closeted gays. ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Education ; Families. ; Gay men--Family relationships--United States. ; Gay men--Identity. ; Gays--Family relationships. ; Homosexuality--Religious aspects. ; Homosexuality. ; Religion ; Sexual minorities' families. ; Sexual minorities. ; Sexual orientation. 17 2216 Awareness of LGBTQ people during his early life And growing up, what was your awareness of words like 'gay' or 'homosexuality,' um, or even gay people in general? Davis talks about his awareness of LGBTQ people during his childhood. He talks about why people may have assumed he way gay during his youth. Actors ; Assumptions ; Avoidance ; Avoiding ; Awareness ; Dating ; Denial ; Derogatory ; Different ; Family ; Flamboyant ; Girls ; Hiding ; LGBTQ people ; Movies ; Perceptions ; Personality ; Schools ; Slurs ; Social circles ; Social life ; Terminology Ashland (Ky.) ; Childhood ; Closeted gays. ; Families. ; Gay men--Family relationships--United States. ; Gay men--Identity. ; Gays--Family relationships. ; Homosexuality. ; Sexual minorities' families. ; Sexual minorities. ; Sexual orientation. 17 2473 First experiences dating after coming out And so was it at 23 that you came out? Davis talks more about studying abroad in England after college and his experience dating for the first time. He talks about how LGBTQ people are treated in various places around the world and how he is relatively lucky to live in the United States. Discrimination ; Emotions ; Fears ; Grateful ; Homelessness ; Homophobia ; Illegal ; LGBTQ youth ; London (England) ; Murder ; Sexual experiences ; Treatment ; Vocal Closeted gays. ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Couples. ; Dates (Social engagements) ; Dating (Social customs) ; Gay men--Identity. ; Homosexuality. ; Interpersonal relations ; Sexual minorities. ; Sexual orientation. 17 2827 More on his coming out experience Um, if you're ready I have another follow up question. Davis talks about coming out to his friends. He talks more about how coming out to his boss was very stressful, but says that his boss' positive reaction gave him a lot of confidence and security. He talks more in depth about his mother and father's reactions, including his mother trying to set him up with women or 'save' him religiously. He talks about his relationship with his grandmother, her religious and social beliefs, and her acceptance of him. He talks about his negative experience at his grandmother's funeral. He talks about coming out as a perpetual process. &quot ; Saved&quot ; ; Acceptance ; Attitudes ; Barack Obama ; Beliefs ; Bible ; Bosses ; Closeness ; Conservative ; Constant ; Death ; Difficult ; Eastern Kentucky ; Education ; Elections ; Employment ; Empowerment ; Fathers ; Fears ; Fired ; Friends ; Funeral services ; Girls ; Grandfathers ; Grandmothers ; Home ; Jobs ; Lifestyles ; Losses ; Mothers ; Negative ; Offensive ; Peers ; Perspectives ; Preachers ; Reactions ; Relationships ; Ridicule ; Suicide ; Visits ; Voting ; Widows ; Women Ashland (Ky.) ; Childhood ; Churches ; Closeted gays. ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Families. ; Gay men--Family relationships--United States. ; Gay men--Identity. ; Gays--Family relationships. ; Homosexuality--Religious aspects. ; Homosexuality. ; Politics and government ; Religion ; Sexual minorities' families. ; Sexual minorities. ; Sexual orientation. 17 3715 Current relationship with the LGBTQ community Um, so you mentioned that, you kno--as a result of having this sort of like, kind of like delayed adolescence, delayed sexual awakening... Davis talks about his current relationship with the LGBTQ community, which he says is mostly through his fundraising and policy change efforts. He talks about cliques and segregation within the LGBTQ community. Assumptions ; Bar scene ; Civics ; Cliques ; Delayed ; Educate ; Education ; Fitting in ; Fundraising ; Infiltrate ; Infiltration ; Labels ; Left out ; LGBTQ community ; Perceptions ; Policies ; Policy changes ; Positions ; Power ; Pride festivals ; Scholarships ; Segregated ; Segregation ; Social scenes Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Gay men--Identity. ; Homosexuality. ; Sexual minorities. ; Sexual orientation. 17 4054 Career And I'm probably--I'm going to ask you a question that might necessitate another long answer. Davis talks about his career path and his current work as the Executive Vice President for the Fund for the Arts. He talks about some of the challenges he has faced. Activism ; Careers ; Challenges ; Changes ; Fund for the Arts ; Fundraisers ; Jobs ; Owsley Brown Frazier ; Reactions ; Resources ; University of Louisville ; Women ; Youngest Employment--Kentucky ; Gay men--Identity. ; Homosexuality. ; Politics and government ; Sexual minorities. ; Sexual orientation. 17 4314 Changes in Kentucky So it seems like with all of your fundraising and sort of activism work that you probably have... Davis discusses how Kentucky has changed, both positively and negatively. He talks about how politics and religion have influenced one another. He talks about the negative impact of ultra-conservatives' control of the state. Better ; Changes ; Control ; Culture ; Discrimination ; Economics ; Hateful ; Hurting ; Influence ; Kentucky ; Leadership ; Policies ; Policy ; Political climate ; Progress ; Protection ; Republicans ; Rights ; Small communities ; Small towns ; Society ; Treatment Churches ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Gay men--Identity. ; Homosexuality--Law and legislation. ; Homosexuality--Religious aspects. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Homosexuality. ; Politics and government ; Religion ; Sexual minorities. ; Sexual orientation. 17 4671 Current political administration So continuing heading in this direction, um, how do you feel politically and personally regarding the current presidential administration? Davis discusses his views on the current political administration under Donald Trump. He talks about how divisiveness is hurting the country and his worries in regard to the president. Authority ; Careless ; Divided ; Divisiveness ; Donald Trump ; Followers ; Hurt ; Ideology ; Integrity ; Leadership ; Minorities ; Party politics ; Policies ; Policy ; Political administrations ; Presidency ; Public leaders ; Public servants ; Representative ; Track record ; Women ; Worry Politicians ; Politics and government ; Republican Party (U.S. : 1854- ) 17 4934 Hope for the future And heading in a different direction now that we've looked into the darkness. Davis says that the next generation gives him hope for the future. He talks about how their lack of divisiveness will improve things, but says that they lack knowledge of civics and how to talk to those who disagree with them. He talks about citizens becoming involved in politics. The interview is concluded. Challenges ; Changes ; Civics ; Disagreements ; Divisiveness ; Elections ; Empowerment ; Establishment ; Fundraising ; Future ; Hopes ; Leadership ; Next generation ; Social issues ; Sports figures ; Teaching ; Women Gay teenagers. ; Gay youth ; Politicians ; Politics and government ; Republican Party (U.S. : 1854- ) ; Sexual minority youth 17 interview J.P. Davis describes his upbringing in Ashland, Kentucky and coming out as a gay man to his church-going family. Davis also shares his passion for fundraising work and talks about his current career as executive vice president for Louisville's Fund For The Arts. No transcript. All rights to the interviews, including but not restricted to legal title, copyrights and literary property rights, have been transferred to the University of Kentucky Libraries. video Interviews may only be reproduced with permission from Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries. 0 http://www.nunncenter.net/ohms/render.php?cachefile=2018oh355_lgbtq024_davis_ohm.xml 2018oh355_lgbtq024_davis_ohm.xml https://kentuckyoralhistory.org/ark:/16417/xt70gb1xgm7q Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource J.P. Davis Description An account of the resource J.P. Davis describes his upbringing in Ashland, Kentucky and coming out as a gay man to his church-going family. Davis also shares his passion for fundraising work and talks about his current career as executive vice president for Louisville's Fund For The Arts. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context 2018oh355_lgbtq024 Subject The topic of the resource Ashland (Ky.) Childhood Families. Closeted gays. Gay men--Family relationships--United States. Gays--Family relationships. Homosexuality. Sexual minorities' families. Sexual minorities. Sexual orientation. Religion Churches Homosexuality--Religious aspects. Gay men--Identity. Coming out (Sexual orientation) Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource video https://nunncenter.net/outsouth/files/original/af829f871927444e6d2f7cc0d05dd47e.PNG 2447be244b1bb8a36ea98bd92e56a9b5 Oral History A resource containing historical information obtained in interviews with persons having firsthand knowledge. Interviewer The person(s) performing the interview Adriana Sisko Interviewee The person(s) being interviewed Jack L. Coffman OHMS Object https://nunncenter.net/ohms-spokedb/render.php?cachefile=2018oh545_lgbtq038_ohm.xml Interview Keyword Childhood South Bend (Ind.) School discipline Discipline of children Education African Americans--Segregation Vietnam War, 1961-1975--Public opinion Lungs--Cancer. Health. Care of the sick. Same-sex marriage Interpersonal relations Friendship. Physicians--Kentucky Gays--Violence against OHMS Object Text 5.2 2018oh545_lgbtq038 Interview with Jack L. Coffman, September 10, 2018 2018oh545_lgbtq038 lgbtq001 Outsouth: LGBTQ+ Oral History Project Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries Families. Religion Closeted gays. Gay men. Gay men--Identity. Gay men--Sexual behavior. Homosexuality. Sexual minorities. Sexual minorities--Identity. College environment College students--Attitudes. College students--Conduct of life. College students--Social conditions Universities and colleges. Indiana University Gay couples. Lexington (Ky.). Gay men--Legal status, laws, etc. Homosexuality--Law and legislation. Coming out (Sexual orientation) University of Kentucky Childhood South Bend (Ind.) School discipline Discipline of children Education African Americans--Segregation Vietnam War, 1961-1975--Public opinion Lungs--Cancer. Health. Care of the sick. Same-sex marriage Interpersonal relations Friendship. Physicians--Kentucky Gays--Violence against Jack L. Coffman Adriana Sisko 0 Vimeo video &lt ; iframe src=&quot ; https://player.vimeo.com/video/290276268&quot ; width=&quot ; 640&quot ; height=&quot ; 360&quot ; frameborder=&quot ; 0&quot ; allowfullscreen&gt ; &lt ; /iframe&gt ; 0 Introduction My name is Adriana Sisko and the date is August 10th. Jack L. Coffman is introduced. He gives a brief overview of his life. 1960s ; Gay men ; Information technology (IT) ; Partners ; Retired ; South Bend (Ind.) ; University of Kentucky Gay men--Identity. 17 97 Childhood and early schooling So what city or town were you born in? Coffman talks about his childhood in South Bend, Indiana. He talks about attending a parochial school connected to St. Mary's College and the difficulties he experienced there from both the nuns and his classmates. He talks about somehow feeling different from his peers, but says that he was accepted by the African American community. He talks about the role of Catholicism in his life during his childhood and how that changed after the death of his partner of fifty years, Teddy. Acceptance ; African Americans ; Attendance ; Beliefs ; Bus fare ; Catholic Church ; Catholicism ; Churches ; Dating ; Death ; Different ; Dyslexia ; Elementary schools ; Grade schools ; High schools ; Loss ; Mass ; Notre Dame University ; Nuns ; Parents ; Parochial schools ; Partners ; Picked last ; Punishment ; Sports ; St. Mary's College ; Sundays ; Supervision ; Teddy Childhood ; Discipline of children ; Education ; Families. ; Religion ; School discipline ; South Bend (Ind.) 17 620 Dating and self-awareness of being a gay man You mentioned that for a period you dated women, even though obviously at some point you realized you were gay. Coffman talks about dating women during his adolescence. He talks about his attraction to men and his awareness of being gay and how it was affected by his religion. He talks about his awareness of LGBTQ people and terminology during his youth. Awareness ; Babysitters ; Bus drivers ; Colleges ; Dates ; Dating ; Different ; Emotional turmoil ; Expectations ; Family ; Lesbians ; Parents ; Partners ; Relationships ; Sexuality ; Social life ; Teddy Richardson ; Teenagers ; Women Childhood ; Closeted gays. ; Families. ; Gay men--Identity. ; Gay men--Sexual behavior. ; Gay men. ; Homosexuality. ; Religion ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual minorities. ; South Bend (Ind.) 17 1041 High school Um, give me a general sense of high school. Coffman talks about his negative experiences in high school. Attention-deficit disorder (ADD) ; Catholic ; Classes ; Difficult ; Dyslexia ; Fights ; Grades ; Graduation ; High schools ; Reading ; Sports Childhood ; Discipline of children ; Education ; Religion ; School discipline ; South Bend (Ind.) 17 1225 College at Indiana University And so after you graduated from high school, what was the next step in your life? Coffman talks about why he enjoyed his college experience at Indiana University much more than high school. He talks about how he discovered his love for Information Technology (IT). He tells stories about being a rebel in college, including lying about his age on his ID card to buy alcohol and forging signatures for his class registration. He talks about his social life in college and the curfews imposed by the college on women students. 1960s ; Acceptance ; Age ; Bars ; Careers ; Class registration ; Class schedules ; Classes ; College majors ; Curfews ; Dates ; Dating ; Degrees ; Dormitories ; Dorms ; Friendships ; Fun ; Gay ; ID cards ; Information technology (IT) ; Instructors ; Men ; Rebellion ; Roommates ; Social life ; Women College environment ; College students--Alcohol use ; College students--Attitudes. ; College students--Conduct of life. ; College students--Social conditions ; Indiana University ; Universities and colleges. 17 1773 Meeting his partner Teddy And so, what were you doing in your life once you hit twenty? Coffman tells the story of how he met his partner of fifty years, Teddy, during college at Indiana University in 1966. 1966 ; Crying ; Dormitories ; Dorms ; Lonely ; Meeting ; Relationships ; Student centers ; Student unions ; Talking ; Teddy Richardson College environment ; College students--Attitudes. ; College students--Conduct of life. ; College students--Social conditions ; Indiana University ; Universities and colleges. 17 2096 Relationship with his partner Teddy And so when you graduated you and Teddy are still together at this point? Coffman talks about being in a motorcycle accident during college. He talks about the labels he and Teddy used for their relationship since it began in 1966, when gay relationships were not accepted in society. He talks about moving into an apartment with Teddy during college and how they kept in touch during the one summer they spent apart. 'Gay lovers' ; Apartments ; Audio tapes ; Careful ; Cautious ; Codes ; Couples ; Doctors ; Friends ; Graduation ; Hiding ; Labels ; Motorcycle accidents ; Relationships ; Singing ; Songs ; Surgery ; Teddy Richardson ; Visiting Closeted gays. ; College environment ; College students--Attitudes. ; College students--Conduct of life. ; College students--Social conditions ; Gay couples. ; Gay men--Identity. ; Gay men. ; Homosexuality. ; Indiana University ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual minorities. ; Universities and colleges. 17 2684 Moving to Lexington, Kentucky Walk me through what happens in your life once you're moved in together and you're--also that period... Coffman talks about visiting Lexington when Teddy came for a job interview at Lexington Clinic in 1968. He talks about Teddy's career and accomplishments as an optometrist. He talks about being hired as a systems engineer at National Cash Register. Apartments ; Computers ; Contact lenses ; December 8, 1968 ; Doctors ; Information technology (IT) ; Job interviews ; Jobs ; Lexington Clinic ; Moving in ; Names ; National Cash Register ; National news ; Optometrists ; Roads ; Systems engineers ; Teddy Richardson ; University of Kentucky Employment--Kentucky ; Gay couples. ; Gay men. ; Homosexuality. ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Physicians--Kentucky ; Sexual minorities. 17 3044 Major events around 1969 I want to, I want to hear more about that. Coffman talks about issues of gender in the IT field in the 1960s. He tells a story about being unaware of issues relating to segregation in Kentucky until an African American coworker was not allowed to join them for lunch at a certain restaurant. He talks about the riots at the University of Kentucky, which were spurred by the Vietnam War and the Kent State shooting, and discusses his feelings on the Vietnam War. He mentions the Stonewall riots, Woodstock, and the moon landing. Awareness ; Computers ; Different ; Eastern Kentucky University ; Fires ; Good Samaritan Hospital ; Graduating class ; High schools ; Hiring ; Indiana University ; Jobs ; Moon landings ; News ; North ; Riots ; Stonewall riots ; Technology ; University of Kentucky ; Women ; Woodstock African Americans--Segregation ; African Americans--Social conditions. ; Danville (Ky.) ; Kent State Shootings, Kent, Ohio, 1970 ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Race discrimination. ; Race relations--Kentucky ; Racism ; Vietnam War, 1961-1975 ; Vietnam War, 1961-1975--Protest movements ; Vietnam War, 1961-1975--Public opinion 17 3555 Social life and gay scene in Lexington And so when you started your life here in Lexington in '69 and in the years following, did you and Teddy make, um-- Coffman talks about his social life and friends in Lexington during the 1960s and 1970s. He describes the gay bar, The Bar, during his early days in Lexington. He talks about how drag queens and gay people could be arrested at this time. Arrested ; Burnt down ; Conservative ; Dancing ; Drag queens ; Drag shows ; Fires ; Friends ; Gay bars ; Gilded Cage ; Going out ; Hiding ; Reopened ; Social life ; The Bar ; The Living Room Closeted gays. ; Gay couples. ; Gay men--Identity. ; Gay men--Legal status, laws, etc. ; Gay men. ; Homosexuality--Law and legislation. ; Homosexuality. ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual minorities. 17 3926 Teddy's illness Teddy got sick with cancer nine and a half years before he passed away. Coffman talks about the difficulty for himself and his partner Teddy during Teddy's nine year battle with lung cancer. 50 years ; Caregivers ; Fifty years ; Grocery stores ; Husbands ; Illnesses ; Lung cancer ; Partners ; Relationships ; Surgery ; Teddy Richardson Care of the sick. ; Gay couples. ; Health. ; Lungs--Cancer. 17 4079 Marriage ceremony You mentioned that you all were married. Coffman describes his marriage ceremony to Teddy in Massachusetts in 2008. Ceremonies ; Friends ; Marriage license ; Married ; Massachusetts ; Straight people ; Trustees Gay couples. ; Gay men--Identity. ; Gay men--Legal status, laws, etc. ; Gay men. ; Homosexuality--Law and legislation. ; Homosexuality. ; Marriage ; Same-sex marriage ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual minorities. 17 4240 Teddy being outed as gay And so I have a question that's--it's somewhat backtracking but it's also-- Coffman talks about how his partner Teddy had to hide being gay due to being a doctor. He talks about when Teddy was nominated to be the president of a state association for physicians but was outed as gay and asked to step down. He talks about how he and Teddy danced together at the next association event since they had already been outed anyway. He talks about the reactions to their dancing. 1980s ; Dancing ; Doctors ; Events ; Hiding ; Optometrists ; Outing ; Presidents ; Public ; Reactions ; Sound Bar ; State associations ; State representatives ; Stepping down ; Technical advisors ; Teddy Richardson Closeted gays. ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Gay couples. ; Gay men--Identity. ; Gay men. ; Homosexuality. ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Physicians--Kentucky ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual minorities. 17 4578 Career at the University of Kentucky Were you open in other ways following your public dancing? Coffman talks about his career in IT at UK. He talks about coming out at work, his relationships with bosses and coworkers, and why he eventually retired from UK after over twenty years. 1987-2013 ; Awareness ; Bosses ; Careers ; Changes ; Department of Finance ; Drinking ; Early ; Events ; Frankfort (Ky.) ; Friends ; Hiding ; Hours ; Information technology (IT) ; Jobs ; Lying ; Open ; Out ; Retirement ; Timesheets ; Vice presidents Closeted gays. ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Employment--Kentucky ; Gay men--Identity. ; Gay men. ; Homosexuality. ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Sexual minorities. ; University of Kentucky 17 5087 Changes in Lexington / Hobbies and interests How about Lexington in general? Coffman talks about how Lexington has changed from a small country town in the 1960s. He talks about how everything was closed on Sundays in those days. He talks about his interest in technology which led to him owning the first Betamax player and lazer disc player in Lexington. He talks about the attitudes toward LGBTQ people in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida which led to he and Teddy owning a condominium there. He talks about their interest in live theater and movies. 1960s ; 1982 ; Atlanta (Ga.) ; bars ; Betamax players ; Blue laws ; Broadway Opera House ; Changes ; Closing time ; Condominiums ; Country towns ; Early adopters ; Ft. Lauderdale (Fla.) ; Interests ; LaserDisc players ; Movies ; New York ; Older people ; Plays ; Satellite dishes ; Season ticket holders ; Size ; Snowbirds ; Sundays ; Technology ; Television channels ; Theater Fort Lauderdale (Fla.) ; Gay couples. ; Gay men. ; Hobbies. ; Homosexuality. ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Sexual minorities. 17 5778 Changes in public acceptance of LGBTQ people I have another big question. Coffman talks about how public opinions regarding LGBTQ people have changed since the 1960s when people could be arrested for merely being suspected of being gay. He describes the risks of being gay during college at Indiana University. He talks about the court case in Kentucky which led to the law against homosexuality being removed from the books. &quot ; Runners&quot ; ; 1964 ; 1990s ; Accepting ; Afraid ; Arrested ; Arrests ; Bloomington (Ind.) ; Careers ; Changes ; Court cases ; Ernesto Scorsone ; Expelled ; Fort Lauderdale (Fla.) ; Ft. Lauderdale (Fla.) ; Gay bars ; Harassment ; Indiana University ; Indianapolis (Ind.) ; Jobs ; Kentucky ; Kentucky Theater ; Police ; Public opinions ; Repercussions ; Risks ; Safe spaces ; Student orientation ; Taunting ; Teddy Richardson Closeted gays. ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Gay couples. ; Gay men--Identity. ; Gay men--Legal status, laws, etc. ; Gay men. ; Gays--Violence against ; Homosexuality--Law and legislation. ; Homosexuality. ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual minorities. 17 6292 Family's awareness of him being a gay man Oh, and I just thought of a question I wanted to ask earlier, actually. Coffman talks about his family's awareness of him being gay without ever explicitly telling them. He talks about the acceptance he and Teddy received from his brother's family. He talks about how his sister found out he was gay and told his mother. Acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS) ; Awareness ; Babysitting ; Brothers ; Children ; Family ; Gay bars ; Human immunodeficiency virus infection (HIV) ; Misconceptions ; Mothers ; Naive ; Parents ; Seafood ; Sisters ; Teddy Richardson Closeted gays. ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Families. ; Gay couples. ; Gay men--Family relationships--United States. ; Gay men--Identity. ; Gay men. ; Gays--Family relationships. ; Homosexuality. ; Sexual minorities' families. ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual minorities. 17 6567 AIDS crisis Tell me more about that period of the AIDS crisis. Coffman talks about losing many friends during the AIDS crisis and how it was made worse by Ronald Reagan's actions. Acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS) ; Death ; Florida ; Friends ; Human immunodeficiency virus infection (HIV) ; Loss ; News ; Pat Robertson ; Pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP) ; Research ; Ronald Reagan AIDS (Disease) ; Gay couples. ; Gay men. ; HIV infections ; HIV-positive gay men ; Sexual minorities. 17 6803 Teddy becoming an ordained Baptist minister There's another thing I need to tell you. Coffman talks about Teddy earning a divinity degree and becoming ordained in the Baptist Church. He talks about why Teddy left his job at the Lexington Clinic in 1980. He talks about Teddy's ministry to prisoners at Blackburn Correctional Facility. 1980 ; Baptist Church ; Baptists ; Blackburn Correctional Facility ; Catholic Church ; Churches ; Competition ; Cults ; Divinity degrees ; Doctors ; Lexington Clinic ; Loss ; Ministry ; Morehead (Ky.) ; Ordained ministers ; Prisoners ; Private practice ; Studying ; Teddy Richardson Gay couples. ; Gay men. ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Physicians--Kentucky ; Religion ; Sexual minorities. 17 7075 Lessons his parents instilled in him Earlier you mentioned that there was another story you wanted to tell about-- Coffman talks about the current molestation scandals in the Catholic Church and how his parents taught him that he did not have to do anything he did not want to. He talks about their other lessons regarding the importance of attending college and not doing drugs. He talks about how these lessons affect him today. Colleges ; Drug use ; Drugs ; Family ; Graduation ; Lessons ; Mental blocks ; Molestation ; Parents ; Prescription drugs ; Prescriptions ; Priests ; Teaching Catholic Church ; Catholicism ; Childhood ; Drug abuse ; Education ; Families. ; Religion 17 7355 Trump administration Um, I have about two more questions-- Coffman talks about his feelings on the current political administration. Checks and balances ; Congress ; Dictators ; Donald Trump ; North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) ; Political administrations ; Presidents ; Trade negotiations Politicians ; Politics and government 17 7456 Current social life And my next question is who do you surround yourself with now in terms of your social circles, in terms of your friends? Coffman talks about his current social life and friendships. He talks about meeting new people at the Pride Center. Coworkers ; Dinners ; Friends ; Lesbians ; Pitch in meals ; Pride Community Services Organization ; Senior nights ; Social circles ; Social life ; Straight people ; Transgender people ; Women Friendship. ; Gay men--Identity. ; Gay men. ; Homosexuality. ; Interpersonal relations ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual minorities. 17 7847 Going on dates Um, I'm coming up on my last question but I wanted to give you the chance in case there are any stories going around in your head... Coffman describes some of the dates he has been on since the death of his partner Teddy and how he is navigating those relationships. Age differences ; Break ups ; Friends ; Hookups ; Joe Bologna's ; Loss ; Lunches ; Relationships ; Teddy Richardson ; Young people Dates (Social engagements) ; Dating (Social customs) ; Gay men--Identity. ; Gay men. ; Homosexuality. ; Interpersonal relations ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual minorities. 17 8396 Current friendships and the grieving process You had another last question? Coffman talks more about his current friendships, his lack of interest in movies since losing Teddy, and how his friends have been helping him through the grieving process. The interview is concluded. Bonds ; Break ups ; Costa Rica ; Depression ; Dinners ; Facebook ; Friends ; Grandsons ; Grieving ; Happiness ; Hobbies ; Hope ; Loss ; Mentors ; Movies ; Partners ; Pride Week ; Relationships ; Roles ; Self ; Teddy Richardson ; Wives ; Women Friendship. ; Gay men. ; Homosexuality. ; Interpersonal relations ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Sexual minorities. 17 interview Jack L. Coffman shares his experiences being gay during the 1960s, 1970s, and beyond. Coffman talks about the love of his life, Teddy, as well as about working in IT at the University of Kentucky for a number of years, his friendships, and life in Lexington over the decades. No transcript. All rights to the interviews, including but not restricted to legal title, copyrights and literary property rights, have been transferred to the University of Kentucky Libraries. video Interviews may only be reproduced with permission from Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries. 0 https://oralhistory.uky.edu/oh/render.php?cachefile=2018oh545_lgbtq038_coffman_ohm.xml 2018oh545_lgbtq038_coffman_ohm.xml https://kentuckyoralhistory.org/ark:/16417/xt70gb1xgm7q Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Jack L. Coffman Description An account of the resource Jack L. Coffman shares his experiences being gay during the 1960s, 1970s, and beyond. Coffman talks about the love of his life, Teddy, as well as about working in IT at the University of Kentucky for a number of years, his friendships, and life in Lexington over the decades. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context 2018oh545_lgbtq038 Subject The topic of the resource Families. Religion Closeted gays. Gay men. Gay men--Identity. Gay men--Sexual behavior. Homosexuality. Sexual minorities. Sexual minorities--Identity. College environment College students--Attitudes. College students--Conduct of life. College students--Social conditions Universities and colleges. Indiana University Gay couples. Lexington (Ky.). Gay men--Legal status, laws, etc. Homosexuality--Law and legislation. Coming out (Sexual orientation) University of Kentucky Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource video https://nunncenter.net/outsouth/files/original/f735169a463d75300103709e81f1d680.PNG d21e36c2f9cd5e6e60dbc0cc042a05a8 Oral History A resource containing historical information obtained in interviews with persons having firsthand knowledge. Interviewer The person(s) performing the interview Lance Poston Interviewee The person(s) being interviewed James W. Dinkle OHMS Object https://nunncenter.net/ohms-spokedb/render.php?cachefile=2017oh739_lgbtq002_ohm.xml Interview Keyword Student body presidents Board of Trustees AIDS (Disease) HIV infections OHMS Object Text 5 2017oh739_lgbtq002 Interview with James W. Dinkle, December 1, 2017 2017oh739_lgbtq002 ohlgbtq Kentucky LGBTQ Oral History Collection lgbtq001 Kentucky LGBTQ Oral History Project Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries (Exhibit) Sexual minorities--Identity. Gays--Identity. Gay men--Identity. Coming out (Sexual orientation) Lexington (Ky.). Sexual minority students. College students--Social conditions College environment College student government Universities and colleges--Administration. Homosexuality--Social aspects. College campuses. Families. Gay community Sexual minorities. Gay rights. College administrators University of Kentucky Student body presidents Board of Trustees AIDS (Disease) HIV infections James W. Dinkle Lance Poston 0 Kaltura video &lt ; iframe src=&quot ; https://cdnapisec.kaltura.com/p/2106141/sp/210614100/embedIframeJs/uiconf_id/34339901/partner_id/2106141?iframeembed=true&amp ; playerId=kaltura_player_1512160247&amp ; entry_id=1_yxqm1p8t&amp ; flashvars[streamerType]=auto&quot ; width=&quot ; 560&quot ; height=&quot ; 315&quot ; allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozAllowFullScreen frameborder=&quot ; 0&quot ; style=&quot ; width: 560px ; height: 315px ; &quot ; itemprop=&quot ; video&quot ; itemscope itemtype=&quot ; http://schema.org/VideoObject&quot ; &gt ; &lt ; span itemprop=&quot ; name&quot ; content=&quot ; 2017oh739_lgbtq002_dinkle_acc003&quot ; &gt ; &lt ; /span&gt ; &lt ; span itemprop=&quot ; description&quot ; content=&quot ; &quot ; &gt ; &lt ; /span&gt ; &lt ; span itemprop=&quot ; duration&quot ; content=&quot ; 2058&quot ; &gt ; &lt ; /span&gt ; &lt ; span itemprop=&quot ; thumbnail&quot ; content=&quot ; http://cfvod.kaltura.com/p/2106141/sp/210614100/thumbnail/entry_id/1_yxqm1p8t/version/100001&quot ; &gt ; &lt ; /span&gt ; &lt ; span itemprop=&quot ; width&quot ; content=&quot ; 560&quot ; &gt ; &lt ; /span&gt ; &lt ; span itemprop=&quot ; height&quot ; content=&quot ; 315&quot ; &gt ; &lt ; /span&gt ; &lt ; /iframe&gt ; 0 Brief life overview So, Jim, painting with broad strokes, tell us about yourself and early memories. James &quot ; Jim&quot ; Dinkle is introduced and gives a brief explanation of his life from his birth in Ashland, Kentucky, his childhood in Frankfort, and his career in politics. Careers ; Chicago (Ill.) ; Fathers ; Governor Wallace Wilkinson ; Maine ; Mayor Richard M. Dailey ; Moving ; Redevelopment ; Student government ; Telecommunications ; Travel ; University of Kentucky ; Versailles (Ky.) Ashland (Ky.) ; Childhood ; Families. ; Frankfort (Ky.) ; Occupations 17 163 Experience of coming out So we know that for many LGBTQ individuals the first time that someone comes out is a significant life milestone. Dinkle talks about his experience of discovering his sexuality and coming out. He talks about how he was affected by living in a conservative environment, especially in high school. He talks about an attempt to create an LGBT organization on the University of Kentucky campus in the early 1980s. Acceptance ; Bomb threats ; Chicago (Ill.) ; Childhood ; Colleges ; Conservative community ; Freedom ; Gay ; Gradual ; High schools ; Identity ; Kentucky ; Partners ; Rural community ; Student government ; Student organizations ; Taboo ; University of Kentucky Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Gay men--Identity. ; Gays--Identity. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Sexual minorities--Identity. 17 350 Role in student government at the University of Kentucky / Experience as a gay man in the Lexington, Kentucky community So you've, you've mentioned a little bit about, um, the significant impact you had as a, a member of the Board of Trustees and Student Body President. Dinkle talks about his role at the University of Kentucky as the Student Body President and a student member of the Board of Trustees. He talks about places in Lexington, Kentucky that he felt were accepting of LGBTQ people, as well as the fears he felt about coming out. 1982 ; Acceptance ; Board of Trustees ; Campus ; Careers ; Careful ; Faith ; Families ; Fears ; Fraternities ; Gay bars ; Home ; Hunter Presbyterian Church ; Kentucky ; LGBTQ centers ; Office of LGBTQ* Resources ; Organizations ; Parents ; Sexual harassment policies ; Student body presidents ; Tolerant ; Welcoming ; Young people College environment ; College students--Social conditions ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Gay community ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Religion ; Sexual minority students. ; University of Kentucky 17 799 Bill Sturgill and the University of Kentucky Board of Trustees So can you tell us a bit about, um, the year you graduated from UK and what you did in the, the decade or so following that graduation? Dinkle talks about his role at the University of Kentucky as a student member of the Board of Trustees and how he was influenced by fellow member Bill Sturgill. Agendas ; Bill Sturgill ; Board of Trustees ; Chairman ; Environment ; Graduation ; Integrity ; Mining ; Respect ; Robinson Forest ; Student body presidents Coal mines and mining--Environmental aspects ; College administrators ; College environment ; College student government ; Universities and colleges--Administration. ; University of Kentucky 17 985 Current life So can you tell us, uh, a bit more about what you're up to now? Dinkle talks about living in Maine, his current job, and his feelings on the LGBTQ center at the University of Kentucky. Careers ; Commerce and technology parks ; Kentucky ; Legacy ; LGBTQ centers ; Maine ; Moving ; Office of LGBTQ* Resources ; Redevelopment ; Travel Gay community ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Occupations 17 1077 Grandfather's influence And, uh, it's fascinating to me to come to UK today in 2017 and reflect back on what it looked like... Dinkle talks about how the University of Kentucky campus has changed since he was a student, as well as since his grandfather was a student. he talks about his grandfather as a lawyer and his influence on Dinkle's interest in ethics. Changes ; Ethics ; Grandfathers ; Law schools ; Politics ; Retirement ; Visits Campus visits ; College campuses. ; University of Kentucky 17 1255 AIDS epidemic Um, so as, as we wrap up, um, what, what do you wish we'd asked or what do you want to, uh, to share that we haven't touched on? Dinkle talks about how he and his family were personally impacted by the AIDS epidemic. AIDS epidemic ; AIDS Quilt ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Cousins ; Family life ; Kentucky governor's office ; Quarantine AIDS (Disease) ; Families. ; HIV infections 17 1452 Societal progress regarding LGBTQ issues The only other things I, I would add is just to share a story with you if you don't mind. Dinkle talks about his parents' views on LGBTQ issues. He talks about how society's opinions have changed regarding LGBTQ people since his childhood. Acceptance ; Alone ; Bar scene ; Community ; Fathers ; High schools ; LGBTQ centers ; Lifestyles ; Limited ; Mothers ; Neighbors ; Office of LGBTQ* Resources ; Parents ; Prejudice ; Progress ; Taboo ; Transgender community ; Versailles (Ky.) Families. ; Gay community ; Gay rights movement ; Gay rights--United States. ; Gay rights. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Sexual minorities. 17 1808 More on the University of Kentucky Board of Trustees But again I, I--again when I was talking about Bill Sturgill earlier I don't mean to get emotional. Dinkle talks more about his role at the University of Kentucky as the Student Body President and a student member of the Board of Trustees. He talks about some of the Board's members. The interview is concluded. Bill Sturgill ; Board members ; Board of Trustees ; Diverse ; Integrity ; President Otis Singletary ; Progressive ; Student body presidents ; Sturgill Center College administrators ; College environment ; College student government ; Universities and colleges--Administration. ; University of Kentucky 17 interview Dinkle talks about his experience of discovering his sexuality and coming out. He talks about how he was affected by living in a conservative environment, and an attempt to create an LGBT organization on the University of Kentucky campus in the early 1980s. Dinkle talks about his role at the University of Kentucky as the Student Body President and a student member of the Board of Trustees. He talks about places in Lexington, Kentucky that he felt were accepting of LGBTQ people, as well as the fears he felt about coming out. He talks about various aspects of his family life, including how they were impacted by the AIDS epidemic. He talks about how society's opinions have changed regarding LGBTQ people since his childhood. No transcript. All rights to the interviews, including but not restricted to legal title, copyrights and literary property rights, have been transferred to the University of Kentucky Libraries. video Interviews may only be reproduced with permission from Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries. 0 http://www.nunncenter.net/ohms/render.php?cachefile=2017oh739_lgbtq002_dinkle_ohm.xml 2017oh739_lgbtq002_dinkle_ohm.xml https://oralhistory.uky.edu/catalog/xt70gb1xgm7q Sort Priority 0011 Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource James W. Dinkle Description An account of the resource Dinkle talks about his experience of discovering his sexuality and coming out. He talks about how he was affected by living in a conservative environment, and an attempt to create an LGBT organization on the University of Kentucky campus in the early 1980s. Dinkle talks about his role at the University of Kentucky as the Student Body President and a student member of the Board of Trustees. He talks about places in Lexington, Kentucky that he felt were accepting of LGBTQ people, as well as the fears he felt about coming out. He talks about various aspects of his family life, including how they were impacted by the AIDS epidemic. He talks about how society's opinions have changed regarding LGBTQ people since his childhood. Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context 2017oh739_lgbtq002 Subject The topic of the resource Sexual minorities--Identity. Gays--Identity. Gay men--Identity. Coming out (Sexual orientation) Lexington (Ky.). Sexual minority students. College students--Social conditions College environment College student government Universities and colleges--Administration. Homosexuality--Social aspects. College campuses. Families. Gay community Sexual minorities. Gay rights. College administrators University of Kentucky Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource video https://nunncenter.net/outsouth/files/original/55dcb22e0bd0b1717ec970cc58ebcdaf.PNG 251cd45e19f1e1af83f3b9968ef4c891 Oral History A resource containing historical information obtained in interviews with persons having firsthand knowledge. Interviewer The person(s) performing the interview Adriana Sisko Interviewee The person(s) being interviewed Jennifer Martin OHMS Object https://nunncenter.net/ohms-spokedb/render.php?cachefile=2018oh197_lgbtq010_ohm.xml Interview Keyword Religion Bullying Hormone replacement therapy Transgender librarians Transition LGBTQ community The Bar Complex Generational differences OHMS Object Text 5 2018oh197_lgbtq010 Interview with Jennifer Martin, April 19, 2018 2018oh197_lgbtq010 ohlgbtq Outsouth: LGBTQ+ Oral History Collection lgbtq001 Outsouth: LGBTQ+ Oral History Project Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries (Exhibit) Gender identity Gender expression Femininity Gender nonconformity University of Kentucky Transgender identity Coming out (Sexual orientation) Gay bars Drag shows Female impersonators Coming out (Gender identity) Lexington (Ky.). Gay community Sexual minorities. Sexual orientation. Transgender people. Transgender people--Legal status, laws, etc. Sexual minorities--Identity. Sexual minority youth Transgender people--Identity. Transgender youth. Religion Bullying Hormone replacement therapy Transgender librarians Transition LGBTQ community The Bar Complex Generational differences Jennifer Martin Adriana Sisko 0 Vimeo video &lt ; iframe src=&quot ; https://player.vimeo.com/video/265828035&quot ; width=&quot ; 640&quot ; height=&quot ; 360&quot ; frameborder=&quot ; 0&quot ; webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen&gt ; &lt ; /iframe&gt ; 0 Introduction I am Adriana Sisko and I am here today at the Nunn Center with Jen Martin. The date is April 19th and we are doing an interview for the OutSouth Project. So thank you for joining me, Jen. Jennifer Martin introduces herself as a resident of Kentucky and an employee of the University of Kentucky Libraries. Lexington (Ky.). ; Libraries and transgender people ; Professional staff ; Student employees ; Undergraduate outreach Librarians ; Libraries ; University of Kentucky 17 74 Upbringing in Jeffersontown, Kentucky / Southern Baptist Convention Alright, so, before we get to the UK years, we'll get to those, uh, but first I like to start you know, chronologically at the beginning. Martin discusses her upbringing in Jeffersontown, Kentucky including her family's frequent attendance at the Jeffersontown Baptist Church. Martin describes her personal involvement with the church during her childhood and teenage years, as well as her relative lack of involvement in more recent years. Childhood ; Church services ; Communities ; Community centers ; Gay community ; Girlhood ; J Town ; J-town ; Jeffersontown (Ky.) ; LGBT community ; LGBTQ community ; Louisville (Ky.) ; Parents ; Sisters ; Southern Baptist Convention ; Suburbs ; Trans community Baptists ; Children's choirs ; Church music ; Churches ; Gender nonconformity ; Handbell choirs ; Music ; Pianists ; Religion ; Sexual orientation--Religious aspects. ; Suburbs ; Vacation Bible schools ; Women in the Southern Baptist Convention 17 315 Middle school and high school How was your school community, like middle school, high school, what was that experience like? Martin discusses growing up as an effeminate child, and the reactions that other children had toward her femininity. Martin shares the experiences she had with bullying, particularly in middle school. She also discusses making a core group of friends in band that helped to protect her, as well as the ways she adjusted her external behavior in response to the bullying. Concert band ; Denial ; Femininity ; Friends ; Gender roles ; Hiding ; High schools ; Mannerisms ; Middle schools ; Protection ; Resistance ; Self-definition ; She-Ra Body language ; Bullying ; Bullying in schools ; Dolls ; Friendship ; Gender identity ; Marching bands ; Music ; Transgender people ; Transgender people--Identity 17 538 Expressing her girlhood as a child When did you first apply the word 'girl' or 'woman' to yourself? Martin explains that she always identified strongly with other girls, and even experienced her childhood as a girl in her head. Martin discusses the ways she was able to express her femininity as a child, as well as the reactions she received from boys and girls. Boys ; Childhood ; Children ; Dress up ; Dress-up ; Dressing up ; Gender roles ; Girls ; Heels ; High heels ; Makeup ; My Little Pony ; Playing ; Wigs Dolls ; Female friendship ; Femininity ; Gender expression ; Gender nonconformity 17 769 College years at the University of Kentucky When you moved on from high school to college, how did this dynamic change or stay the same, in terms of external reactions to you? Martin describes the transition from high school to college. She also discusses to what degree she was closeted at the time. Martin talks about how much of an impact Matthew Shepherd's murder had on people's ability to be out. Martin also remarks on the evolution of terminology over the years surrounding gender identity, from &quot ; transsexual&quot ; to &quot ; transgender&quot ; . &quot ; Down low&quot ; ; &quot ; Transsexual&quot ; ; &quot ; Transsexuals&quot ; ; Closeted ; Drag ; Drag queens ; Gender roles ; High schools ; In the closet ; Judgment ; Matthew Shepard ; Nicknames ; Ostracization ; Out ; Outness ; Pejoratives ; Sexuality ; Terminology ; Trans community ; Transgender community ; Undergraduate Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Drag shows ; Gay bars ; Gender nonconformity on television ; Online chat groups ; Transgender college students ; Transgender identity ; Transgender people ; University of Kentucky 17 1160 Passion for drag You mentioned drag, and it seems like that was a big moment for you, of some kind of clicking. Martin describes how she developed her interest in the art of drag. She discusses her twenty years of doing drag, what sort of impersonation she aims for, and how she was accepted as transgender by the drag scene. &quot ; Fish&quot ; ; &quot ; Fishy queen&quot ; ; &quot ; Fishy&quot ; ; &quot ; Genetic woman&quot ; ; &quot ; Genetic women&quot ; ; Drag ; Drag queens ; Lip sync ; Lip syncing ; Performance ; Self definition ; Self determination ; Stage performance ; Trans drag ; Transgender drag Art ; Drag shows ; Female impersonators ; Gay bars ; Music ; Popular music ; Transgender artists ; Transgender people 17 1509 Transitioning while working at the University of Kentucky Tell me a little more about--well more like tell me everything about, um, the transition journey and the timing of that in your life. Martin discusses the process of coming out as transgender and going on hormones during her early twenties. In detail, Martin describes the process of informing her co-workers, informing the dean of libraries, and all the structured efforts those individuals made to assist in her workplace transition. Martin talks about the love and support she received from co-workers, the overall library system at UK, and especially the students she worked with. In addition, Martin briefly discusses dating pre-transition, and how she used to put her gender identity on hold for those relationships. Colleagues ; Coming out (Gender identity) ; Coworkers ; Dating ; Deans ; Hormone diary ; Hormone journal ; Hormone replacement therapy (HRT) ; Hormone therapy ; Relationships ; Students Internet ; Libraries ; Library science ; Online chat groups ; Transgender identity ; Transgender librarians ; Transgender people ; Undergraduates ; University of Kentucky 17 2241 Familial reactions to her first coming out as gay So, you talked about coming out at work, as trans-- Martin talks about how before she ultimately came out as transgender, she initially came out to her family as gay. Martin describes the circumstances of what she terms her 'first coming out', her sister's reaction, and her parents' respective reactions. She also discusses what it was like to unsettle her parents' expectations of her, particularly her mother's expectations. Anger ; Boyfriends ; Dating ; Fathers ; Golden child ; Golden children ; Mothers ; Siblings ; Sisters ; Support ; Upset Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Family ; Relationships 17 2590 Familial reactions to her ultimate coming out as transgender So that was the first coming out, you phrased-- Martin describes her ultimate coming out to her family as a transgender woman. She talks about the letter she left them, and the very different reactions her father and her mother had in response. She also talks about her sister's acceptance, the time it took for her parents to get her name and her pronouns correct, and the reactions of her other family members. &quot ; Given name&quot ; ; Acceptance ; Anger ; Breakdowns ; Coming out (Gender identity) ; Confusion ; Fathers ; Gender roles ; Gendered titles ; Hurt ; Mothers ; Nephews ; Pain ; Pronouns ; Sisters ; Struggle ; Support English language--Pronoun ; Family ; Letter writing ; Transgender identity ; Transgender people 17 3050 Parents' journey toward acceptance / How people interact post-coming out as transgender How has their, you know, meaning your parents, how has their evolution been? Martin describes how her parents have changed over time with regard to their stance toward her gender identity. She talks about their adjustment period, and also talks about the prevalence of expectations of instantaneous, total acceptance in the current political climate. Acceptance ; Adjusting ; Adjustment period ; Change ; Coming out (Gender identity) ; Evolving ; Growing ; Learning ; Living openly ; Love ; Out ; Political climate ; Sensitivity ; Understanding Family ; Politics ; Transgender people ; Transgender people--Identity 17 3345 Career in library science So now we're going to move back into the library a bit. Martin discusses how she ended up in a career as a librarian. She talks about her passion for reading as a child and the long path that eventually led her to a career in library science, a career she hadn't anticipated. Colleagues ; Library science programs ; Readers ; Reading ; Student assistantship ; Work hours ; Working Libraries ; Transgender librarians ; University of Kentucky 17 3818 Perpetual coming out Um, do you ever find yourself coming out still? Do you ever find that that comes up in conversations somehow? Martin discusses trying to keep her interest in drag separate from her library career. She discusses the risks involved in coming out at work. Librarians ; Libraries ; University of Kentucky Coming out (Gender identity) ; Transgender identity ; Transgender people ; Transgender people--Identity 17 3991 The Bar Complex You mentioned working in a bar. Which bar? Martin talks about her experience working at The Bar Complex and the bar's history. She mentions other bars she has worked at over the years. 141 (bar) ; Acceptance ; Bars ; Business owners ; Downtown ; Drag queens ; Environment ; Inclusive ; Jobs ; Johnny Angel's Disco ; LGBTQ community ; Library spaces ; Parades ; Safe havens ; Safe spaces ; Support ; Transition ; University of Kentucky ; Welcoming ; Work Coming out (Gender identity) ; Gay bars ; Gay community ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Transgender identity ; Transgender people ; Transgender people--Identity 17 4349 Lexington during the 1980s versus now You mentioned Lexington during the eighties. Martin talks about how the city of Lexington has changed since the 1980s. She mentions the sodomy laws that were enforced at the time, as well as the lack of safety for transgender individuals. She talks about the progress that has been made and mentions the need to continue working for the future. Acceptance ; Arrests ; Authority ; Bars ; Changes ; Eighties ; Gay men ; Lawmakers ; Police ; Progress ; Safety ; Sodomy laws Gay community ; Gay men--Legal status, laws, etc. ; Gays--Legal status, laws, etc.--United States. ; Homosexuality--Law and legislation. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Sexual minorities. ; Sexual orientation. ; Transgender people--Legal status, laws, etc. ; Transgender people--Violence against ; Transgender people. 17 4562 Social circle You mentioned now a couple different communities that have been really, um, important in your life and helpful to you. Martin talks about her own social circle, including coworkers at her various jobs, friends in the UK opera scene, and fellow drag performers. Bars ; Co-workers ; Communities ; Connections ; Coworkers ; Drag performers ; Drag queens ; Drag scene ; Employment ; Friendships ; Jobs ; LGBTQ community ; Musical theatre ; Opera ; Relationships ; Social circles ; Social life ; Socializing ; University of Kentucky ; Work Drag shows ; Female impersonators ; Lifestyles. 17 4766 Level of involvement in the LGBTQ community How would you characterize your relationship with the LGBTQ community at large? Martin talks about her involvement in the LGBTQ community, which she says has mostly been a passive, subversive role. She talks about the importance of visibility. She mentions some organizations and events she has been involved with. Activists ; Advocates ; African Americans ; Communities ; Existence ; Impact ; Involvement ; LGBTQ community ; Maids ; Organizations ; Passive ; Philosophy ; Subversive ; Television ; Transgender community ; Transylvania University ; Visibility Gay community ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Transgender identity ; Transgender people ; Transgender people--Identity 17 5047 Transgender visibility and representation You mentioned, uh, you know, this idea of visibility briefly. Martin talks more about the importance of visibility, particularly in the transgender community. She talks more about talk shows featuring trans guests, particularly those that were degrading to trans people. Activists ; Degrading ; Exposure ; Judgement ; Laverne Cox ; Representation ; Talk shows ; Visibility ; Women of color Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Transgender identity ; Transgender people ; Transgender people--Identity 17 5199 Generational differences in the LGBTQ community My next question is leaping topics a little bit. Martin talks about when she first heard the word 'queer' and what it meant then. She talks about the generational divide in the conversation about reclaiming the term. She talks about other generational differences, particularly in the transgender community regarding visibility and acceptance. 'Deep stealth' ; 'Queer' ; 'Stealth' ; Advisory boards ; Alone ; Books ; Changes ; Conversations ; Derogatory ; Evolution ; Fear ; Generations ; Identity ; In-fighting ; Inclusive ; Internet ; Mindsets ; Opinions ; Past ; Reclaiming ; Resources ; Slurs ; Surgery ; Terminology ; Terms ; Trans community ; Transgender community ; Violence ; Visibility ; Younger generations ; Youth Gay community ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual minority youth ; Transgender identity ; Transgender people--Identity. ; Transgender people. ; Transgender youth. 17 5806 Changing role of the Internet A couple of times you've remarked on--and this is my second to last question, just to give you the heads-up. Martin talks about how her use of the Internet has changed over time, in particular in regard to seeking knowledge about gender identity. She talks about how the Internet has changed the drag scene, particularly for young people who now have much greater access to knowledge about drag as well as the ability to shop online for items that were once hard to find. Accessibility ; Black eyeshadow ; Changes ; Childhood ; Clothes ; Clothing ; Drag mothers ; Drag scene ; Dresses ; Dressing rooms ; Generational differences ; Generations ; Importance ; Information-seekers ; Information-seeking ; Internet ; Librarians ; Louisville (Ky.) ; Mentors ; Reliance ; Resources ; Rites of passage ; Searching ; Shopping ; Songs ; Struggles ; Tutorials ; Wigs Drag shows ; Female impersonators ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual minority youth ; Transgender identity ; Transgender people ; Transgender people--Identity ; Transgender people--Identity. ; Transgender people. ; Transgender youth. 17 6377 Plans for future participation in drag Where do you--well, you've done drag--you do drag. Martin talks about whether she plans to continue participating in drag shows. Burned out ; Burnt out ; Drag brunches ; Drag performers ; Employment ; Exhausting ; Future ; Introverted ; Jobs ; Performing ; Plans ; Working Drag shows ; Female impersonators ; Gay bars 17 6563 Process of preparing for a drag show I want to hear more about, um, your process or ritual. Martin describes the process of preparing for a drag show, from makeup to clothing to music. She talks about the types of crowds that she usually performs for at The Bar Complex. Apprehension ; Audiences ; Bars ; Crowds ; DJs ; Drag performers ; Drag queens ; Drag scene ; Early ; Experimental ; Looks ; Makeup ; Portfolios ; Preparation ; Processes ; Rituals ; Social media ; Song selection ; Songs Art ; Drag shows ; Female impersonators ; Gay bars ; Music ; Popular music 17 6818 Changes in the crowds at gay bars over time How have the crowds, or the audience, how has the audience changed over the years? Martin describes how the types of crowds at gay bars have changed over time. She discusses how the greater acceptance of LGBTQ individuals in the wider community has led to a decrease in the need for gay bars as safe havens, leading to more straight women frequenting gay bars. She gives a closing statement about her life in Kentucky. Ages ; Audiences ; Changes ; Choices ; Crowds ; Generational differences ; Generations ; Kentucky ; LGBTQ community ; Louisville (Ky.) ; Safe spaces ; Straight women ; Younger Art ; Drag shows ; Female impersonators ; Gay bars ; Gay community ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Music ; Popular music ; Sexual minority youth 17 interview Jen Martin shares her journey as a transgender woman from her first coming out as seemingly a gay man to coming out as transgender and transitioning in the University of Kentucky environment. Martin also shares her love for drag and for library sciences, as well as inter-generational observations about the LGBTQ community. No transcript. All rights to the interviews, including but not restricted to legal title, copyrights and literary property rights, have been transferred to the University of Kentucky Libraries. video Interviews may only be reproduced with permission from Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries. 0 http://www.nunncenter.net/ohms/render.php?cachefile=2018oh197_lgbtq010_martin_ohm.xml 2018oh197_lgbtq010_martin_ohm.xml https://oralhistory.uky.edu/catalog/xt70gb1xgm7q Sort Priority 0004 Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Jennifer Martin Description An account of the resource Jen Martin shares her journey as a transgender woman from her first coming out as seemingly a gay man to coming out as transgender and transitioning in the University of Kentucky environment. 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