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Oral History
A resource containing historical information obtained in interviews with persons having firsthand knowledge.
Interviewer
The person(s) performing the interview
Lance Poston
Interviewee
The person(s) being interviewed
Gilda Wabbit
Sam Themer
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Opera
Drag queens
Future That Liberals Want meme
Internet memes
Childhood
University of Kentucky
OHMS Object Text
5 2017oh232_lgbtq001 Interview with Gilda Wabbit (Sam Themer), April 5, 2017 2017oh232_lgbtq001 ohlgbtq Kentucky LGBTQ Oral History Collection lgbtq001 Kentucky LGBTQ Oral History Project Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries (Exhibit) Coming out (Sexual orientation) Gays--Family relationships. Music Performing arts--Kentucky. Lexington (Ky.). Gay community Sexual minorities--Identity. Gays--United States--Social conditions. Homosexuality--Religious aspects. Kentucky--Religion New York (N.Y.) Drag shows Gay culture. Homosexuality--Social aspects. Female impersonators. Opera Drag queens Future That Liberals Want meme Internet memes Childhood University of Kentucky Gilda Wabbit Sam Themer Lance Poston 0 Vimeo video < ; iframe allowFullScreen frameborder=" ; 0" ; height=" ; 564" ; mozallowfullscreen src=" ; https://player.vimeo.com/video/252974863" ; webkitAllowFullScreen width=" ; 640" ; > ; < ; /iframe> ; 1 Connection to Kentucky through the arts So painting with broad strokes, tell us about yourself and early memories. Gilda Wabbit (Sam Themer) talks about her childhood in Kentucky, growing up in Louisville and Frankfort as the " ; artsy" ; " ; weird" ; kid. She talks about her connection to the Commonwealth through the arts, especially music. Art scene ; Artsy ; Bluegrass ; Commonwealth of Kentucky ; Drag queens ; Frankfort (Ky.) ; Louisville (Ky.) ; Opera ; Out of place ; Singing ; University of Kentucky (UK) ; Weird ; Work Childhood ; Music ; Performing arts--Kentucky. 38.197, -84.863 17 Frankfort (Ky.) 152 Coming out I, I recognize in asking that that, um, I haven't sort of asked you to do an intro of yourself. Gilda Wabbit gives a brief self-introduction. She talks about her process of coming out, first to friends, then her high school and family. She tells the story of coming out to her parents in high school after undergoing nasal surgery. Acceptance ; Bisexual ; Bisexuality ; Breakups ; Dating ; Deviated septum ; Drag ; Family ; Friends ; High school ; Kentucky ; Mothers ; New York (N.Y.) ; New York City (N.Y.) ; Opera ; Process ; Surgery Closeted gays. ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Families. ; Gay high school students ; Gay men--Family relationships--United States. ; Gay teenagers. ; Gay youth ; Gays--Family relationships. ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Sexual minorities--Identity. 17 355 University of Kentucky vocal music program Um, so you've alluded to this a bit already, um, but tell us more about your experience at the University of Kentucky. Gilda Wabbit talks about her experience at UK, majoring in opera. She talks about feeling out of place even in the arts program. She talks about often being cast as villains and the trope that villains are often portrayed with stereotypically homosexual qualities. " ; Theater kid" ; ; Bachelor's degrees ; Barriers ; Casting ; Friends ; Opera ; Out of place ; Tropes ; University of Kentucky (UK) ; Villains ; Vocal music program ; Voice ; Weird Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Music ; Performing arts--Kentucky. ; Sexual minority college students ; University of Kentucky 38.033333, -84.5 17 University of Kentucky 485 Safe spaces in the Lexington community So, so expanding beyond, um, UK and your time, um, in Lexington and, and sort of the broader community... Gilda Wabbit talks about her tense relationship with Kentucky, partially due to feeling discouraged by various parts of the community in regards to being her true self. She talks about religious conservatism in Kentucky, but also discusses her acceptance within her childhood church as well as the church she later joined, First Presbyterian. She talks about safe spaces within local bars and the kinship between queer people. Acceptance ; Authentic self ; Bar Complex ; Bars ; Choirs ; Churches ; Classes ; College ; Communities ; Congregations ; Depression ; Discouraged ; Drag queens ; Exploration ; Faith ; Female impersonators ; Fine arts college ; First Presbyterian Church ; History ; Kentucky ; Kinship ; Ministry ; Old Hookers (bar) ; Older people ; Pastors ; Problematic ; Queerness ; Relationships ; Religious conservatism ; Safe spaces ; Sexuality ; Shelbyville (Ky.) ; Sound Bar ; Spirituality ; Stories ; Tense ; True self Gay community ; Gay men--United States--Social conditions. ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Religious aspects. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Kentucky--Religion ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual minority college students 38.029722, -84.494722 17 Lexington (Ky.) 806 The creation of " ; Gilda Wabbit" ; Um, okay, so certainly Gilda is clearly here with us today. Gilda Wabbit talks about how she became interested in drag after she moved to New York. She describes her first time performing drag. She talks about participating in competitions and the advice she received about drag as a career. She talks about the decision to change her stage name from Beverly Leslie Sills to Gilda Wabbit, and how she has made drag her full-time job. Applause ; Audience reactions ; Bars ; Beverly Leslie Stills ; Boxed in ; Careers ; Characters ; Competitions ; Day jobs ; Decisions ; Drag queens ; Dreams ; Dresses ; Gigs ; Jobs ; Losing ; Name changes ; New York City (N.Y.) ; On the right track ; Opera ; Performing ; Queerness ; Roles ; Singing ; Stage names ; Unhappy ; Wigs ; Winning Drag shows ; Female impersonators. ; Gay culture. ; Gay men. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; New York (N.Y.) ; Sexual minorities. 40.7127, -74.0059 17 New York City (N.Y.) 1151 Involvement in the " ; Future That Liberals Want" ; meme So, so you, you allude, uh--or you just alluded to, um, this photo, the, the " ; Future That Liberals Want." ; Gilda Wabbit talks about a photo that was taken of her on the subway sitting next to a woman in traditional modesty garb. The photo was posted on Instagram and eventually became a meme. The meme was originally meant to be a negative message about liberals, but was turned around into a positive message about diversity and acceptance of others. Gilda Wabbit talks about doing interviews with various media outlets about political issues surrounding the meme. Acceptance ; Alt-Right ; Authentic life ; Authentic self ; Buzzfeed ; Clothing ; Co-existence ; Co-existing ; Conservatives ; Costumes ; Diversity ; Drag queens ; Fame ; Future That Liberals Want meme ; Instagram ; Internet memes ; Interviews ; Liberals ; Modesty garb ; New York City (N.Y.) ; Photographs ; Photos ; Political issues ; Representation ; Social media ; True self ; Twitter Conservatism ; Drag shows ; Female impersonators. ; Gay culture. ; Gay men. ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Liberalism ; Mass media and gays ; New York (N.Y.) ; Sexual minorities. 40.7127, -74.0059 17 New York City (N.Y.) https://www.buzzfeed.com/juliareinstein/this-is-the-future-liberals-want?utm_term=.mtaBBKy0l#.fe1YYvMnN Link to the Buzzfeed article on the Future That Liberals Want meme that Gilda references. 1561 Current and future work So what are you up to now? Gilda Wabbit talks about doing drag as her full-time job. She talks about how the show RuPaul's Drag Race affected her life. She talks about doing speaking engagements and being grateful for the opportunity to speak to people about acceptance and being empathetic toward one another. The interview is concluded. Authentic life ; Authentic self ; Diversity ; Drag queens ; Empathy ; Entitlement ; Family ; Fathers ; Future ; Gratefulness ; Messages ; New York City (N.Y.) ; Performance ; Political issues ; Politics ; Preparation ; Privilege ; RuPaul's Drag Race (Television program) ; Speaking engagements ; True self ; Working Drag shows ; Families. ; Female impersonators. ; Gay culture. ; Gay men. ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Lexington (Ky.). ; New York (N.Y.) ; Sexual minorities. 40.7127, -74.0059 17 New York City (N.Y.) interview Drag queen Gilda Wabbit (Sam Themer) talks about her childhood in Kentucky, growing up in Louisville and Frankfort as the " ; artsy" ; " ; weird" ; kid. She talks about her connection to the Commonwealth through the arts, especially music. She talks about her process of coming out, first to friends, then her high school and family. She tells the story of coming out to her parents in high school after undergoing nasal surgery. Gilda Wabbit talks about her experience at UK, majoring in opera. She talks about feeling out of place even in the arts program. She talks about often being cast as villains and the trope that villains portray stereotypically homosexual qualities. Gilda Wabbit talks about her tense relationship with Kentucky, partially due to feeling discouraged by various parts of the community in regards to being her true self. She talks about religious conservatism in Kentucky, but also discusses her acceptance within her childhood church as well as the church she later joined, First Presbyterian. She talks about safe spaces within local bars and the kinship between queer people. Gilda Wabbit talks about how she became interested in drag after she had moved to New York. She describes her first time performing drag. She talks about participating in competitions and the advice she received about drag as a career. She talks about the decision to change her stage name from Beverly Leslie Sills to Gilda Wabbit, and how she has made drag her fulltime job. Gilda Wabbit talks about a photo that was taken of her on the subway sitting next to a woman in traditional modesty garb. The photo was posted on Instagram and eventually became a meme. The meme was originally meant to be a negative message about liberals, but was turned around into a positive message about diversity and acceptance of others. Gilda Wabbit talks about doing interviews with various media outlets about political issues surrounding the meme. Gilda Wabbit talks about doing drag as her fulltime job. She talks about how the show RuPaul's Drag Race affected her life. She talks about doing speaking engagements and being grateful for the opportunity to speak to people about acceptance and being empathetic toward one another. No transcript. All rights to the interviews, including but not restricted to legal title, copyrights and literary property rights, have been transferred to the University of Kentucky Libraries. video Interviews may only be reproduced with permission from Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries. 0 http://www.nunncenter.net/ohms/render.php?cachefile=2017oh232_lgbtq001_wabbit_ohm.xml 2017oh232_lgbtq001_wabbit_ohm.xml https://oralhistory.uky.edu/catalog/xt70gb1xgm7q
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Drag queen Gilda Wabbit (Sam Themer) talks about her childhood in Kentucky, growing up in Louisville and Frankfort as the "artsy" "weird" kid. She talks about her connection to the Commonwealth through the arts, especially music. She talks about her process of coming out, first to friends, then her high school and family. She tells the story of coming out to her parents in high school after undergoing nasal surgery. Gilda Wabbit talks about her experience at UK, majoring in opera. She talks about feeling out of place even in the arts program. She talks about often being cast as villains and the trope that villains portray stereotypically homosexual qualities. Gilda Wabbit talks about her tense relationship with Kentucky, partially due to feeling discouraged by various parts of the community in regards to being her true self. She talks about religious conservatism in Kentucky, but also discusses her acceptance within her childhood church as well as the church she later joined, First Presbyterian. She talks about safe spaces within local bars and the kinship between queer people.
Gilda Wabbit talks about how she became interested in drag after she had moved to New York. She describes her first time performing drag. She talks about participating in competitions and the advice she received about drag as a career. She talks about the decision to change her stage name from Beverly Leslie Sills to Gilda Wabbit, and how she has made drag her fulltime job.
Gilda Wabbit talks about a photo that was taken of her on the subway sitting next to a woman in traditional modesty garb. The photo was posted on Instagram and eventually became a meme. The meme was originally meant to be a negative message about liberals, but was turned around into a positive message about diversity and acceptance of others. Gilda Wabbit talks about doing interviews with various media outlets about political issues surrounding the meme.
Gilda Wabbit talks about doing drag as her fulltime job. She talks about how the show RuPaul's Drag Race affected her life. She talks about doing speaking engagements and being grateful for the opportunity to speak to people about acceptance and being empathetic toward one another.
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2017oh232_lgbtq001
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Coming out (Sexual orientation)
Gays--Family relationships.
Music
Performing arts--Kentucky.
Lexington (Ky.).
Gay community
Sexual minorities--Identity.
Gays--United States--Social conditions.
Homosexuality--Religious aspects.
Kentucky--Religion
New York (N.Y.)
Drag shows
Gay culture.
Homosexuality--Social aspects.
Female impersonators.
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Drag Queens
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Oral History
A resource containing historical information obtained in interviews with persons having firsthand knowledge.
Interviewer
The person(s) performing the interview
Lance Poston
Interviewee
The person(s) being interviewed
James W. Dinkle
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Interview Keyword
Student body presidents
Board of Trustees
AIDS (Disease)
HIV infections
OHMS Object Text
5 2017oh739_lgbtq002 Interview with James W. Dinkle, December 1, 2017 2017oh739_lgbtq002 ohlgbtq Kentucky LGBTQ Oral History Collection lgbtq001 Kentucky LGBTQ Oral History Project Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries (Exhibit) Sexual minorities--Identity. Gays--Identity. Gay men--Identity. Coming out (Sexual orientation) Lexington (Ky.). Sexual minority students. College students--Social conditions College environment College student government Universities and colleges--Administration. Homosexuality--Social aspects. College campuses. Families. Gay community Sexual minorities. Gay rights. College administrators University of Kentucky Student body presidents Board of Trustees AIDS (Disease) HIV infections James W. Dinkle Lance Poston 0 Kaltura video < ; iframe src=" ; https://cdnapisec.kaltura.com/p/2106141/sp/210614100/embedIframeJs/uiconf_id/34339901/partner_id/2106141?iframeembed=true& ; playerId=kaltura_player_1512160247& ; entry_id=1_yxqm1p8t& ; flashvars[streamerType]=auto" ; width=" ; 560" ; height=" ; 315" ; allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozAllowFullScreen frameborder=" ; 0" ; style=" ; width: 560px ; height: 315px ; " ; itemprop=" ; video" ; itemscope itemtype=" ; http://schema.org/VideoObject" ; > ; < ; span itemprop=" ; name" ; content=" ; 2017oh739_lgbtq002_dinkle_acc003" ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; span itemprop=" ; description" ; content=" ; " ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; span itemprop=" ; duration" ; content=" ; 2058" ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; span itemprop=" ; thumbnail" ; content=" ; http://cfvod.kaltura.com/p/2106141/sp/210614100/thumbnail/entry_id/1_yxqm1p8t/version/100001" ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; span itemprop=" ; width" ; content=" ; 560" ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; span itemprop=" ; height" ; content=" ; 315" ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; /iframe> ; 0 Brief life overview So, Jim, painting with broad strokes, tell us about yourself and early memories. James " ; Jim" ; Dinkle is introduced and gives a brief explanation of his life from his birth in Ashland, Kentucky, his childhood in Frankfort, and his career in politics. Careers ; Chicago (Ill.) ; Fathers ; Governor Wallace Wilkinson ; Maine ; Mayor Richard M. Dailey ; Moving ; Redevelopment ; Student government ; Telecommunications ; Travel ; University of Kentucky ; Versailles (Ky.) Ashland (Ky.) ; Childhood ; Families. ; Frankfort (Ky.) ; Occupations 17 163 Experience of coming out So we know that for many LGBTQ individuals the first time that someone comes out is a significant life milestone. Dinkle talks about his experience of discovering his sexuality and coming out. He talks about how he was affected by living in a conservative environment, especially in high school. He talks about an attempt to create an LGBT organization on the University of Kentucky campus in the early 1980s. Acceptance ; Bomb threats ; Chicago (Ill.) ; Childhood ; Colleges ; Conservative community ; Freedom ; Gay ; Gradual ; High schools ; Identity ; Kentucky ; Partners ; Rural community ; Student government ; Student organizations ; Taboo ; University of Kentucky Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Gay men--Identity. ; Gays--Identity. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Sexual minorities--Identity. 17 350 Role in student government at the University of Kentucky / Experience as a gay man in the Lexington, Kentucky community So you've, you've mentioned a little bit about, um, the significant impact you had as a, a member of the Board of Trustees and Student Body President. Dinkle talks about his role at the University of Kentucky as the Student Body President and a student member of the Board of Trustees. He talks about places in Lexington, Kentucky that he felt were accepting of LGBTQ people, as well as the fears he felt about coming out. 1982 ; Acceptance ; Board of Trustees ; Campus ; Careers ; Careful ; Faith ; Families ; Fears ; Fraternities ; Gay bars ; Home ; Hunter Presbyterian Church ; Kentucky ; LGBTQ centers ; Office of LGBTQ* Resources ; Organizations ; Parents ; Sexual harassment policies ; Student body presidents ; Tolerant ; Welcoming ; Young people College environment ; College students--Social conditions ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Gay community ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Religion ; Sexual minority students. ; University of Kentucky 17 799 Bill Sturgill and the University of Kentucky Board of Trustees So can you tell us a bit about, um, the year you graduated from UK and what you did in the, the decade or so following that graduation? Dinkle talks about his role at the University of Kentucky as a student member of the Board of Trustees and how he was influenced by fellow member Bill Sturgill. Agendas ; Bill Sturgill ; Board of Trustees ; Chairman ; Environment ; Graduation ; Integrity ; Mining ; Respect ; Robinson Forest ; Student body presidents Coal mines and mining--Environmental aspects ; College administrators ; College environment ; College student government ; Universities and colleges--Administration. ; University of Kentucky 17 985 Current life So can you tell us, uh, a bit more about what you're up to now? Dinkle talks about living in Maine, his current job, and his feelings on the LGBTQ center at the University of Kentucky. Careers ; Commerce and technology parks ; Kentucky ; Legacy ; LGBTQ centers ; Maine ; Moving ; Office of LGBTQ* Resources ; Redevelopment ; Travel Gay community ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Occupations 17 1077 Grandfather's influence And, uh, it's fascinating to me to come to UK today in 2017 and reflect back on what it looked like... Dinkle talks about how the University of Kentucky campus has changed since he was a student, as well as since his grandfather was a student. he talks about his grandfather as a lawyer and his influence on Dinkle's interest in ethics. Changes ; Ethics ; Grandfathers ; Law schools ; Politics ; Retirement ; Visits Campus visits ; College campuses. ; University of Kentucky 17 1255 AIDS epidemic Um, so as, as we wrap up, um, what, what do you wish we'd asked or what do you want to, uh, to share that we haven't touched on? Dinkle talks about how he and his family were personally impacted by the AIDS epidemic. AIDS epidemic ; AIDS Quilt ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Cousins ; Family life ; Kentucky governor's office ; Quarantine AIDS (Disease) ; Families. ; HIV infections 17 1452 Societal progress regarding LGBTQ issues The only other things I, I would add is just to share a story with you if you don't mind. Dinkle talks about his parents' views on LGBTQ issues. He talks about how society's opinions have changed regarding LGBTQ people since his childhood. Acceptance ; Alone ; Bar scene ; Community ; Fathers ; High schools ; LGBTQ centers ; Lifestyles ; Limited ; Mothers ; Neighbors ; Office of LGBTQ* Resources ; Parents ; Prejudice ; Progress ; Taboo ; Transgender community ; Versailles (Ky.) Families. ; Gay community ; Gay rights movement ; Gay rights--United States. ; Gay rights. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Sexual minorities. 17 1808 More on the University of Kentucky Board of Trustees But again I, I--again when I was talking about Bill Sturgill earlier I don't mean to get emotional. Dinkle talks more about his role at the University of Kentucky as the Student Body President and a student member of the Board of Trustees. He talks about some of the Board's members. The interview is concluded. Bill Sturgill ; Board members ; Board of Trustees ; Diverse ; Integrity ; President Otis Singletary ; Progressive ; Student body presidents ; Sturgill Center College administrators ; College environment ; College student government ; Universities and colleges--Administration. ; University of Kentucky 17 interview Dinkle talks about his experience of discovering his sexuality and coming out. He talks about how he was affected by living in a conservative environment, and an attempt to create an LGBT organization on the University of Kentucky campus in the early 1980s. Dinkle talks about his role at the University of Kentucky as the Student Body President and a student member of the Board of Trustees. He talks about places in Lexington, Kentucky that he felt were accepting of LGBTQ people, as well as the fears he felt about coming out. He talks about various aspects of his family life, including how they were impacted by the AIDS epidemic. He talks about how society's opinions have changed regarding LGBTQ people since his childhood. No transcript. All rights to the interviews, including but not restricted to legal title, copyrights and literary property rights, have been transferred to the University of Kentucky Libraries. video Interviews may only be reproduced with permission from Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries. 0 http://www.nunncenter.net/ohms/render.php?cachefile=2017oh739_lgbtq002_dinkle_ohm.xml 2017oh739_lgbtq002_dinkle_ohm.xml https://oralhistory.uky.edu/catalog/xt70gb1xgm7q
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James W. Dinkle
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Dinkle talks about his experience of discovering his sexuality and coming out. He talks about how he was affected by living in a conservative environment, and an attempt to create an LGBT organization on the University of Kentucky campus in the early 1980s. Dinkle talks about his role at the University of Kentucky as the Student Body President and a student member of the Board of Trustees. He talks about places in Lexington, Kentucky that he felt were accepting of LGBTQ people, as well as the fears he felt about coming out. He talks about various aspects of his family life, including how they were impacted by the AIDS epidemic. He talks about how society's opinions have changed regarding LGBTQ people since his childhood.
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2017oh739_lgbtq002
Subject
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Sexual minorities--Identity.
Gays--Identity.
Gay men--Identity.
Coming out (Sexual orientation)
Lexington (Ky.).
Sexual minority students.
College students--Social conditions
College environment
College student government
Universities and colleges--Administration.
Homosexuality--Social aspects.
College campuses.
Families.
Gay community
Sexual minorities.
Gay rights.
College administrators
University of Kentucky
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Oral History
A resource containing historical information obtained in interviews with persons having firsthand knowledge.
Interviewer
The person(s) performing the interview
Lance Poston
Interviewee
The person(s) being interviewed
Mark Johnson
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Interview Keyword
Bluegrass Black Pride, Inc.
African American community
Black community
LGBTQ community
Gay community
Cross burning
Harassment
Prejudice
Childhood
School integration
Morehead State University
OHMS Object Text
5 2017oh760_lgbtq003 Interview with Mark Johnson, December 8, 2017 2017oh760_lgbtq003 ohlgbtq Kentucky LGBTQ Oral History Collection lgbtq001 Kentucky LGBTQ Oral History Project Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries (Exhibit) African Americans--Education. African Americans--Segregation African Americans--Social conditions. Race discrimination. Violence Coming out (Sexual orientation) Gays--Violence against Homosexuality--Social aspects. Sexual minorities--Identity. Gays--Mental health. Race relations--Kentucky Bluegrass Black Pride, Inc. African American community Black community LGBTQ community Gay community Cross burning Harassment Prejudice Childhood School integration Morehead State University Mark Johnson Lance Poston 0 Kaltura video < ; iframe src=" ; https://cdnapisec.kaltura.com/p/2106141/sp/210614100/embedIframeJs/uiconf_id/34339901/partner_id/2106141?iframeembed=true& ; playerId=kaltura_player_1513089172& ; entry_id=1_axgwece5& ; flashvars[streamerType]=auto" ; width=" ; 560" ; height=" ; 315" ; allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozAllowFullScreen frameborder=" ; 0" ; style=" ; width: 560px ; height: 315px ; " ; itemprop=" ; video" ; itemscope itemtype=" ; http://schema.org/VideoObject" ; > ; < ; span itemprop=" ; name" ; content=" ; 2017oh760_lgbtq003_johnson_acc003" ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; span itemprop=" ; description" ; content=" ; " ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; span itemprop=" ; duration" ; content=" ; 1689" ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; span itemprop=" ; thumbnail" ; content=" ; http://cfvod.kaltura.com/p/2106141/sp/210614100/thumbnail/entry_id/1_axgwece5/version/100001" ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; span itemprop=" ; width" ; content=" ; 560" ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; span itemprop=" ; height" ; content=" ; 315" ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; /iframe> ; 0 Personal background and experiences with discrimination Well thank you for coming Mark. Mark Johnson is introduced. He talks about growing up in Owingsville, Kentucky and his experiences in school just after integration. He talks about being called various names because of his racial identity as well as his sexuality. He talks about his struggles in college due to discrimination and harassment, including a burning cross being put on his door. He mentions coming out to his mother, and creating an LGBT organization at the University of Louisville. 1983 ; Beat up ; Colleges ; Coming out ; Depression ; Different ; Effeminate ; Fears ; Fraternities ; Gay community ; Harassment ; HIV/AIDS ; Kent School of Social Work ; Kentucky ; Lexington (Ky.) ; Morehead State University ; Mothers ; Name calling ; Names ; Prejudice ; Racial slurs ; Siblings ; Slurs ; Struggles ; Suicide ; Support groups ; University of Louisville ; Unwelcome African American families ; African Americans--Education. ; African Americans--Segregation ; African Americans--Social conditions. ; Childhood ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Families. ; Gays--Mental health. ; Gays--Violence against ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Owingsville (Ky.) ; Race discrimination. ; Race relations--Kentucky ; School integration ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual minority college students ; Violence 17 352 Coming out Um, so you touched a bit just a second ago on this-- Johnson talks more in detail about coming out to his mother. He talks about his fears of being out in the Black community, and talks more about the discrimination and violence he faced in college, including more about the cross burning incident. African American community ; Assumptions ; Black community ; Children ; Colleges ; Coming out process ; Cross burning ; Crushes ; Derogatory ; Fears ; Harassment ; Ku Klux Klan (KKK) ; Mothers ; Name calling ; Names ; Ongoing ; Prejudice ; Relationships ; Slurs ; Uncomfortable African American families ; African Americans--Education. ; African Americans--Segregation ; African Americans--Social conditions. ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Families. ; Gays--Mental health. ; Gays--Violence against ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Morehead State University ; Race discrimination. ; Race relations--Kentucky ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual minority college students ; Violence 17 600 Welcoming and unwelcoming places in the Lexington, Kentucky community So, uh, you've also touched a bit on this but I think I--there's certainly a lot, a lot more there. Johnson talks about the unique struggles of being in an interracial relationship. He discusses places in Lexington where he feels comfortable as a Black gay man, especially the Bluegrass Black Pride organization. He discusses places in Lexington where he feels uncomfortable, especially Black churches. Black churches ; Bluegrass Black Pride, Inc. ; Friends ; Gay community ; Interracial relationships ; LGBTQ community ; Organizations ; Partners ; Prejudice ; Religion ; Uncomfortable ; Unwelcome African American churches ; African Americans--Segregation ; African Americans--Social conditions. ; Gays--Mental health. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Race discrimination. ; Race relations--Kentucky ; Sexual minorities--Identity. 17 811 Bluegrass Black Pride, Inc. So you mentioned in, in talking about one of the places that was most comfortable-- Johnson talks more about Bluegrass Black Pride, Inc. and his leadership role within the organization. He talks about why there was a need for a specifically African American organization within the LGBTQ community. He talks about how progress has been made in terms of race relations but there is still much work to be done. African American community ; Allies ; Bars ; Black community ; Bluegrass Black Pride, Inc. ; Clubs ; Ebony Male ; Gay community ; Identities ; Kentucky Black Pride ; Leadership ; LGBTQ community ; Ongoing ; Organizations ; Separate ; Terms African Americans--Segregation ; African Americans--Social conditions. ; African Americans--Societies, etc. ; Gays--Mental health. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Race discrimination. ; Race relations--Kentucky ; Sexual minorities--Identity. 17 1118 Facing discrimination in his professional life Uh, so tell us a bit about your professional life. Johnson talks about his career in the field of social work and the discrimination he has faced in the various places he worked, despite social work's reputation as an accepting field. Careers ; Counseling ; Cultural competency ; Cultural sensitivity ; HIV/AIDS ; Identities ; Jobs ; Mount Sterling (Ky.) ; Prejudice ; Professions ; Social work ; Supervisors ; Therapists ; University of Louisville African Americans--Social conditions. ; Gays--Mental health. ; Homosexuality in the workplace. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Race discrimination. ; Race relations--Kentucky ; Sexual minorities--Identity. 17 1332 Current life So what are you doing now? Johnson briefly discusses his current life and his work at the Lexington Housing Authority, mentioning his influence in helping seniors feel comfortable about coming out. Lexington Housing Authority ; Pride Community Services Organization (PCSO) ; Retired ; Senior citizens ; Seniors Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Older people ; Sexual minorities--Identity. 17 1419 Performing as a female impersonator So I'm, I'm also reminded as you're, uh--as you've been telling your wonderful stories, that, um, another significant, uh, mark you've had in this community has been on the stage as a performer. Johnson talks about performing as Latoya Bacall and the thrill of competition. He talks about using this persona to raise awareness of HIV/AIDS issues. He talks about an event held by Bluegrass Black Pride, Inc. honoring one of Lexington's trailblazing drag performers. Bluegrass Black Pride, Inc. ; Celebrity ; Competitions ; Drag queens ; HIV/AIDS ; Latoya Bacall ; Lyric Theater ; Mr. Willy ; National titles ; Performers ; Retired ; Stage ; Trailblazers Drag shows ; Female impersonators.. ; Gay community ; Gay culture. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Lexington (Ky.). 17 1608 Hopes for the future So, uh, thinking about wrapping our, our session up today, um, what haven't we asked that you want to tell us about or that you wish we'd asked? Johnson talks more about how there is still much work to be done in terms of race relations in Lexington. The interview is concluded. African American community ; Black community ; Cultural competency ; Future ; Gay community ; LGBTQ community ; Organizations ; People of color ; Work to do African Americans--Segregation ; African Americans--Social conditions. ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Race discrimination. ; Race relations--Kentucky 17 interview Mark Johnson talks about growing up in Owingsville, Kentucky and his experiences in school just after integration. He talks about being called various names because of his racial identity as well as his sexuality. He talks about his struggles in college due to discrimination, including a burning cross being put on his door. He discusses the discrimination he faced in his professional life as a social worker. Johnson talks about the unique struggles of being in an interracial relationship. He discusses places in Lexington where he feels comfortable as a Black gay man, as well as places where he feels unwelcome. Johnson talks about Bluegrass Black Pride, Inc. and his leadership role within the organization. He talks briefly about performing as a female impersonator. No transcript. All rights to the interviews, including but not restricted to legal title, copyrights and literary property rights, have been transferred to the University of Kentucky Libraries. video Interviews may only be reproduced with permission from Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries. 0 http://www.nunncenter.net/ohms/render.php?cachefile=2017oh760_lgbtq003_johnson_ohm.xml 2017oh760_lgbtq003_johnson_ohm.xml https://oralhistory.uky.edu/catalog/xt70gb1xgm7q
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Mark Johnson talks about growing up in Owingsville, Kentucky and his experiences in school just after integration. He talks about being called various names because of his racial identity as well as his sexuality. He talks about his struggles in college due to discrimination, including a burning cross being put on his door. He discusses the discrimination he faced in his professional life as a social worker. Johnson talks about the unique struggles of being in an interracial relationship. He discusses places in Lexington where he feels comfortable as a Black gay man, as well as places where he feels unwelcome. Johnson talks about Bluegrass Black Pride, Inc. and his leadership role within the organization. He talks briefly about performing as a female impersonator.
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African Americans--Education.
African Americans--Segregation
African Americans--Social conditions.
Race discrimination.
Violence
Coming out (Sexual orientation)
Gays--Violence against
Homosexuality--Social aspects.
Sexual minorities--Identity.
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Race relations--Kentucky
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Lance Poston
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Tuesday Meadows
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Coming out experiences
Bathroom bills
Religion
Anti-war demonstrations
Vietnam War, 1961-1975--Protest movements
Drugs, Nonprescription--Utilization
Kroger Company.
Louisville (Ky.)--Social conditions
Transgender youth.
Transgender children.
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5 2017oh761_lgbtq004 Interview with Tuesday Meadows, December 11, 2017 2017oh761_lgbtq004 ohlgbtq Kentucky LGBTQ Oral History Collection lgbtq001 Kentucky LGBTQ Oral History Project Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries (Exhibit) Transgender people--Identity. Sexual minorities' families. Gender identity. Discrimination. University of Kentucky College students--Social conditions Lexington (Ky.). Gay community Gays--United States--Social conditions. Homosexuality--Social aspects. Lexington (Ky.)--Social conditions Coming out experiences Bathroom bills Religion Anti-war demonstrations Vietnam War, 1961-1975--Protest movements Drugs, Nonprescription--Utilization Kroger Company. Louisville (Ky.)--Social conditions Transgender youth. Transgender children. Tuesday Meadows Lance Poston 0 Kaltura video < ; iframe src=" ; https://cdnapisec.kaltura.com/p/2106141/sp/210614100/embedIframeJs/uiconf_id/34339901/partner_id/2106141?iframeembed=true& ; playerId=kaltura_player_1513089131& ; entry_id=1_v4svgxoy& ; flashvars[streamerType]=auto" ; width=" ; 560" ; height=" ; 315" ; allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozAllowFullScreen frameborder=" ; 0" ; style=" ; width: 560px ; height: 315px ; " ; itemprop=" ; video" ; itemscope itemtype=" ; http://schema.org/VideoObject" ; > ; < ; span itemprop=" ; name" ; content=" ; 2017oh761_lgbtq004_meadows_acc003" ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; span itemprop=" ; description" ; content=" ; " ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; span itemprop=" ; duration" ; content=" ; 3444" ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; span itemprop=" ; thumbnail" ; content=" ; http://cfvod.kaltura.com/p/2106141/sp/210614100/thumbnail/entry_id/1_v4svgxoy/version/100001" ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; span itemprop=" ; width" ; content=" ; 560" ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; span itemprop=" ; height" ; content=" ; 315" ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; /iframe> ; 0 Childhood So Tuesday, painting with broad strokes, tell us about yourself and your early memories. Tuesday Meadows is introduced. She talks about her childhood in Kentucky, her early memories regarding gender, and her memories of her brothers' violence in reaction to her feminine characteristics. She talks about her experiences in school in Louisville shortly after integration. Brothers ; Catholic communities ; Different ; Fears ; Femininity ; Girls ; Hair ; Harassment ; Kentucky ; Lexington (Ky.) ; Scared ; Secrets ; West End, Louisville (Ky.) Louisville (Ky.)--Social conditions ; Race relations ; School integration ; Sexual minorities' families. ; Transgender children. ; Transgender people--Identity. ; Transgender youth. 17 184 Coming out So, um, we know for many LGBTQ folks, the first time that someone comes out is a significant life milestone. Meadows talks about why she waited until late in her life to come out and transition, and talks about some of the challenges she faced. Attempts ; Attitudes ; Challenging ; Children ; Coming out experiences ; Family ; Lying ; Married ; Mind-set ; Outlook ; Quadruple bypass surgery ; Secrets ; Transition Gender identity. ; Sexual minorities' families. ; Transgender people--Identity. 17 358 Coming out--Religious community So in, um, in those moments of coming out, um, we've talked about protecting your family and, and having, um, you know, some folks act in ways that you wished that they hadn't. Meadows talks about her church community's negative reaction to her coming out and the struggle she faced finding someone to officiate her wife's funeral after being rejected by their former pastor. Acceptance ; Childhood ; Churches ; Coming out experiences ; Congregations ; Family ; Funerals ; Hurt ; Methodist ; Preachers ; Reactions ; Rejection ; Religious communities ; Southern Baptist ; Supportive ; Wife Discrimination. ; Gender identity. ; Religion ; Sexual minorities' families. ; Transgender people--Identity. 17 671 University of Kentucky--Anti-war protests, probation, and encouragement So, as, a--as influential maybe as religion has been in, in your story, in your, your wonderful life, um, this institution, University of Kentucky, has also played a role, right? Meadows talks about her first interaction with the University of Kentucky, as a high school student participating in the Vietnam War protests on campus. She talks about being put on probation for various reasons, and talks about being inspired when the dean re-accepted her to the school and gave her encouragement regarding her education. She mentions some of the reasons she previously had struggled with school. 1970 ; 1971 ; Academic probation ; Administration Building ; Anti-war protests ; Attention deficit disorder (A.D.D.) ; Attitudes ; Baby boomers ; Careers ; Deans ; Encouragement ; Gender dysphoria ; Graduate schools ; High schools ; Inspiration ; Jobs ; Kent State shootings ; Kicked out ; Live ammunition ; Mind-set ; National Guard ; Outlook ; Public schools ; Social probation ; The Kroger Company ; Wife ; Working Anti-war demonstrations ; College campuses. ; College environment ; College students--Attitudes. ; College students--Conduct of life. ; College students--Social conditions ; Student protesters ; University of Kentucky ; Vietnam War, 1961-1975 ; Vietnam War, 1961-1975--Protest movements 17 1008 Career with The Kroger Company So you talked a bit about--or you mentioned your career-- Meadows talks about her long career with the Kroger company, working her way up from bagging groceries to cutting meat to ultimately become a manager. She talks about her role in a strike at the store. Brothers ; Careers ; Cutting meat ; Education ; Jobs ; Leadership ; Lexington (Ky.) ; Louisville (Ky.) ; Management ; Merchandising and advertising ; Money ; Promotions ; The Kroger Company ; Wages Employment--Kentucky ; Kroger Company. ; Labor unions ; Occupations ; Strikes and lockouts 17 1188 Intermingling of the LGBTQ and straight communities in Lexington in the 1970s and how the scene changed in the 1980s So you, you have spent many years here in Lexington. Meadows discusses the community of Lexington in the 1970s, which she says was 'wild.' She talks about the 'cocaine scene' and the bar scene which facilitated the intermingling between the LGBTQ and straight populations. She talks about why she thinks that began to change in the 1980s, at least in part due to the AIDS epidemic and the police crackdown on drugs. 'Outlaws' ; 1970s ; 1978 ; 1980s ; 1983 ; 1990s ; Acceptance ; Age ; AIDS epidemic ; Alienation ; Bar scene ; Bars ; Careers ; Changes ; Closing ; Clubs ; Cocaine ; Communities ; Death ; Declines ; Discos ; Domestic life ; Drug use ; Drugs ; Generations ; HIV/AIDS ; Interaction ; Intermingling ; LGBTQ community ; Mainstream ; Misconceptions ; National Championships ; Negativity ; Neighborhood bars ; Older ; Police ; Sex ; The Library (Bar) ; Two Keys Tavern (Bar) ; Unique ; University of Kentucky ; Vietnam War ; Wild AIDS (Disease) ; Drugs, Nonprescription--Utilization ; Gay bars ; Gay community ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Lexington (Ky.)--Social conditions ; Lexington (Ky.). 17 1827 Coming to understand her transgender identity / Lexington's reputation for acceptance So the, the finding your own space reminds me of, um--or, or makes me wonder about just the word 'transgender.' Meadows talks about the lack of transgender role models when she was young, and discusses her realization of her own gender identity. She talks about why she thinks many LGBT people move away from home to come out or transition. She talks about some of the ways the Lexington community was an accepting place, including the University of Kentucky performing gender confirming surgeries. She talks about how the Internet has made it easier for LGBTQ people to find a community. 1970s ; 1990s ; Acceptance ; Attitudes ; Communities ; Cross dressing ; Gender-confirming surgery ; Internet ; Leaving ; LGBTQ-friendly ; Mind-set ; Moving ; New York City (N.Y.) ; Open ; Outlook ; Reactions ; Realizations ; Reputations ; Role models ; Sweet Evening Breeze (James Herndon) ; Transition ; Understanding ; University of Kentucky ; Wife Gay community ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Lexington (Ky.)--Social conditions ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Transgender people--Identity. ; Transgender people. 17 2296 LGBTQ activism and advocacy So I imagine the Internet plays into this next question in some, some central ways, too. Meadows talks about her role as an LGBTQ advocate and activist, including her work with Trans Kentucky, Pride Community Services Organization, Pride Fest, and the UK LGBTQ Resource Center, among others. She talks about how the lack of transgender role models available led her to decide to become a role model herself. She talks about the criticism and push-back she receives and how she deals with it. Activism ; Advocacy ; Coming out ; Criticism ; Daughters ; Issues ; Lexington Fairness ; LINQ Magazine ; Mentors ; Organizations ; Out ; Pride Cats ; Pride Center ; Pride Community Services Organization (PCSO) ; Pride Fest ; Push-back ; Retired ; Role models ; Trans Kentucky ; Transition ; University of Kentucky Office of LGBTQ* Resources ; Writing Discrimination. ; Leadership ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual minorities. ; Transgender people--Identity. ; Transgender people. 17 2704 Issues transgender people are currently facing So you, you mention sort of the current state and especially, you know, what it means to be LGBTQ or, or trans in 2017. Meadows discusses how she feels about the current climate for marginalized people, especially transgender individuals. She discusses one of the major current issues, bathroom bills, and the scare tactics used by politicians to get them passed. She talks about some of her personal experiences surrounding the bathroom issue, including herself and her young granddaughter being threatened by a man with a gun. 1960s ; African Americans ; Anger ; Angry ; Attitudes ; Bathroom bills ; Children ; Embarrassed ; Emotions ; Fears ; Guns ; Kentucky ; Marginalized people ; Mind-set ; Outlook ; Politicians ; Politics ; Public restrooms ; Scared ; Schools ; Straw man arguments ; Threats ; Transition ; Treatment ; Votes Discrimination. ; Transgender people--Identity. ; Transgender people--Legal status, laws, etc. ; Transgender people--Violence against ; Transgender people. 17 3212 Hopes for the future So as we wrap up, um, what do, what do you wish we'd asked that we haven't? Meadows talks about her hopes for the future and the role her generation needs to play to end racism, war, and LGBTQ inequality. She talks about her views on businesses denying service to LGBTQ individuals. The interview is concluded. Acceptance ; Baby boomers ; Businesses ; Future ; Generations ; Housing ; Jobs ; LGBTQ equality ; Marriage ; Medical care ; Racism ; State-wide fairness ordinances ; Tipping points ; Transition ; Wars Discrimination. ; Transgender people--Identity. ; Transgender people--Legal status, laws, etc. ; Transgender people--Violence against ; Transgender people. 17 interview Tuesday Meadows is a transgender woman from Kentucky. In this interview she discusses her childhood growing up in Kentucky, why she waited until late in her life to come out and transition, and some of the challenges she faced, including rejection by her religious community. Meadows talks about her first interaction with the University of Kentucky, as a high school student participating in the Vietnam War protests on campus. She talks about being put on probation for various reasons, and her eventual success at UK. She talks about her long career with the Kroger Company. Meadows discusses the community of Lexington in the 1970s, which she says was 'wild.' She talks about the 'cocaine scene' and the bar scene which facilitated the intermingling between the LGBTQ and straight populations. She talks about why she thinks that began to change in the 1980s, at least in part due to the AIDS epidemic and the police crackdown on drugs. She talks about some of the ways the Lexington community was an accepting place, including the University of Kentucky performing gender-confirming surgeries. Meadows talks about her role as an LGBTQ advocate and activist, and how the lack of transgender role models led her to decide to become a role model herself. She discusses one of the major current issues for trans people, bathroom bills, and talks about some of her personal experiences with this issue. No transcript. All rights to the interviews, including but not restricted to legal title, copyrights and literary property rights, have been transferred to the University of Kentucky Libraries. video Interviews may only be reproduced with permission from Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries. 0 http://www.nunncenter.net/ohms/render.php?cachefile=2017oh761_lgbtq004_meadows_ohm.xml 2017oh761_lgbtq004_meadows_ohm.xml https://oralhistory.uky.edu/catalog/xt70gb1xgm7q
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Tuesday Meadows
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Tuesday Meadows is a transgender woman from Kentucky. In this interview she discusses her childhood growing up in Kentucky, why she waited until late in her life to come out and transition, and some of the challenges she faced, including rejection by her religious community. Meadows talks about her first interaction with the University of Kentucky, as a high school student participating in the Vietnam War protests on campus. She talks about being put on probation for various reasons, and her eventual success at UK. She talks about her long career with the Kroger Company.
Meadows discusses the community of Lexington in the 1970s, which she says was 'wild.' She talks about the 'cocaine scene' and the bar scene which facilitated the intermingling between the LGBTQ and straight populations. She talks about why she thinks that began to change in the 1980s, at least in part due to the AIDS epidemic and the police crackdown on drugs. She talks about some of the ways the Lexington community was an accepting place, including the University of Kentucky performing gender-confirming surgeries. Meadows talks about her role as an LGBTQ advocate and activist, and how the lack of transgender role models led her to decide to become a role model herself. She discusses one of the major current issues for trans people, bathroom bills, and talks about some of her personal experiences with this issue.
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2017oh761_lgbtq004
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Transgender people--Identity.
Sexual minorities' families.
Gender identity.
Discrimination.
University of Kentucky
College students--Social conditions
Lexington (Ky.).
Gay community
Gays--United States--Social conditions.
Homosexuality--Social aspects.
Lexington (Ky.)--Social conditions
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Oral History
A resource containing historical information obtained in interviews with persons having firsthand knowledge.
Interviewer
The person(s) performing the interview
Lance Poston
Interviewee
The person(s) being interviewed
Michael J. DeLeon
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Hardin County (Ky.)
Childhood
Education, Higher--Kentucky
University of Kentucky
Coming out (Sexual orientation)
Gay bars
Gay community
Greg Bourke
Marriage equality
Same-sex marriages
Bourke v. Beshear
Obergefell v. Hodges
Religion
OHMS Object Text
5 2017oh762_lgbtq005 Interview with Michael J. DeLeon, December 11, 2017 2017oh762_lgbtq005 ohlgbtq Kentucky LGBTQ Oral History Collection lgbtq001 Kentucky LGBTQ Oral History Project Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries (Exhibit) Gay men--Identity. Gay adoption. Gay men--United States--Social conditions. Gay rights movement Gay rights--United States. Gays--Family relationships. Gays--United States--Social conditions. Homosexuality--Law and legislation--United States. Sexual minority parents. Gay parents. Gay couples. Gay men--Legal status, laws, etc. Gay men--Family relationships--United States. Hardin County (Ky.) Childhood Education, Higher--Kentucky University of Kentucky Coming out (Sexual orientation) Gay bars Gay community Greg Bourke Marriage equality Same-sex marriages Bourke v. Beshear Obergefell v. Hodges Religion Michael J. 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Um, so painting with broad strokes, uh, tell us about yourself and your early memories. Michael DeLeon talks about how his family came to settle in Hardin County, Kentucky and his childhood in a rural community. He talks about attending Elizabethtown Community College and connecting with a group of friends there. Elizabethtown Community College ; Fathers ; Fort Campbell (Ky.) ; Fort Knox (Ky.) ; Friends ; Hispanic ; Kentucky ; Military service ; Rural areas ; Secrets ; University of Kentucky ; University of Louisville Childhood ; Closeted gays. ; Education, Higher--Kentucky ; Elizabethtown Community & ; Technical College ; Family farms ; Gay men--Identity. ; Gay youth ; Hardin County (Ky.) ; Rural children 17 166 Experiences at the University of Kentucky and coming out So, um, that friend group here at UK and, and your, your move from, uh, from the community college to UK here in Lexington... DeLeon talks about transferring, along with his Elizabethtown Community College friends, to the University of Kentucky. He talks about his 'dual lifestyle' as a member of a fraternity who went to gay bars at night. " ; Beards" ; ; College of Agriculture ; Dual lifestyles ; Family farms ; Family friends ; Farm House (Fraternity) ; Fraternities ; Friends ; Jobs ; Money ; Secrets ; The Bar (Bar) Closeted gays. ; College environment ; College students--Social conditions ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Gay bars ; Gay community ; Gay men--Identity. ; Greek letter societies. ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual minority college students ; University of Kentucky 17 539 Meeting his husband, Greg Bourke Uh, so at, at what stage in, um, in your life here in Lexington as a, as a student did you encounter--uh, meet your husband for the first time? DeLeon tells the story of how he met his now-husband, Greg Bourke, at The Bar in Lexington and how their relationship began. He talks about the culture surrounding dating in the gay community during the 1970s and 1980s. 1970s ; 1980s ; Changes ; Dating ; First dates ; Greg Bourke ; Husband ; One night stands ; Relationships ; The Bar (Bar) Gay bars ; Gay community ; Gay couples. ; Gay culture. ; Gay men--Sexual behavior. 17 746 Involvement in the Kentucky same-sex marriage case Bourke v. Beshear So, um, in thinking about, you know, uh, certainly a moment that, that, um, I knew you and Greg from initially, a, a, a big PR moment, right? Um, around marriage equality. DeLeon talks about marrying Greg in Canada and later adopting two children. Their marriage was not legally recognized in the U.S. and they could not both be on the papers to adopt their children. This led to their decision to file a lawsuit to have their marriage legally recognized in the U.S., Bourke v. Beshear. He talks about being inundated by the media, and how their case veered from the marriage equality plan envisioned by groups like the ACLU. Adopting ; American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) ; Attorneys ; Bourke v. Beshear ; Canada ; Careers ; Children ; Connecticut ; Dawn Elliott ; Freedom to Marry (Nonprofit organization) ; Greg Bourke ; Human Rights Campaign (HRC) ; Impact ; Interviews ; Kentucky Marriage Recognition Case ; Lawsuits ; Louisville (Ky.) ; Marriage equality ; Media ; Moving ; Plaintiffs ; Plans ; Road map ; Same-sex marriages ; Shannon Fauver Gay adoption. ; Gay couples. ; Gay men--Family relationships--United States. ; Gay men--Legal status, laws, etc. ; Gay men--United States--Social conditions. ; Gay parents. ; Gay rights movement ; Gay rights--United States. ; Gay rights. ; Gays--Family relationships. ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Law and legislation--United States. ; Sexual minority parents. 17 1113 Taking the case to the Supreme Court in Obergefell v. Hodges So do--um, can you tell us about, um, I guess, the first of two days: the, the day you realized that, uh, you know, that this was going--that your case, as part of several, are going to the Supreme Court. DeLeon talks about Judge Heyburn's decision on their case and the appeal filed by Governor Steve Beshear. He talks about how their case became a part of the larger Obergefell v. Hodges case which went to the Supreme Court. 6th Circuit ; Appeals ; Attorney General Jack Conway ; Circuit courts ; Court system ; Federal District Court ; Governor Steve Beshear ; Greg Bourke ; Judge John G. Heyburn II ; Marriage equality ; Networks ; Obergefell v. Hodges ; Plaintiffs ; Recognition ; Same-sex marriages ; States ; Supreme Court Gay couples. ; Gay men--Family relationships--United States. ; Gay men--Legal status, laws, etc. ; Gay men--United States--Social conditions. ; Gay rights movement ; Gay rights--United States. ; Gay rights. ; Gays--Family relationships. ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Law and legislation--United States. ; Sexual minority parents. 17 1290 Day of the Supreme Court's decision on Obergefell v. Hodges So the, the day that you, um, you realized it finally worked out, right? DeLeon recounts the proceedings on the day the decision on Obergefell v. Hodges was announced. He and his family were in the courtroom. American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) ; Celebrations ; Children ; Courtrooms ; Decisions ; Judge Anthony Kennedy ; Marriage equality ; Media ; Obergefell v. Hodges ; Reactions ; Rulings ; Same-sex marriages ; Supreme Court Gay couples. ; Gay men--Family relationships--United States. ; Gay men--Legal status, laws, etc. ; Gay men--United States--Social conditions. ; Gay rights movement ; Gay rights--United States. ; Gay rights. ; Gays--Family relationships. ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Law and legislation--United States. ; Sexual minority parents. 17 1428 Role of religion in his life So throughout, um, your life and, and especially throughout, uh, your contributions to, to LGBTQ community and activism, uh, what role has religion played in, in that for you? DeLeon talks about being Roman Catholic and the role his faith has played in his relationship and family life. He talks about their acceptance by their church parish, but mentions that the church hierarchy can be problematic. Arch bishops ; Beliefs ; Blessings ; Church hierarchy ; Congregations ; Encouragement ; Faith ; Fathers ; Harm ; Parents ; Parishes ; Progress ; Relationships ; Religious communities ; Roman Catholic ; Support Churches ; Gay couples. ; Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Religious aspects. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Religion 17 1654 Experience living as an out gay man in Kentucky So, um, y, y--both specifically in Lexington and maybe in your broader life in the state, um, what kinds of spaces have you found to be the most supportive... DeLeon talks about being out in his workplace and other spaces and the kinds of reactions he has received. He talks about how social media has changed the minds of many people who once had negative feelings about the LGBTQ community. Careers ; Connecticut ; Discrimination ; Diversity ; GE Appliances ; Hardin County (Ky.) ; Jobs ; Kentucky ; Lexington (Ky.) ; Louisville (Ky.) ; Out ; Plaintiffs ; Relationships ; Rural areas ; Social media ; Supportive ; Uncomfortable ; Welcoming ; Workplace Employment--Kentucky ; Gay couples. ; Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Occupations 17 1839 Involvement in activism Um, so outside of, uh, marriage equality where a lot of our, our, our activist conversation has, has, uh, centered with you, um, tell us about other activism or advocacy that you're involved in. DeLeon talks about his activism outside of the marriage equality case, including his work with a University of Kentucky LGBTQ alumni group, attending rural pride fairs, and spreading awareness of the opportunities for LGBTQ people in terms of careers. Activism ; Advocacy ; Awareness ; Careers ; Employers ; GE Appliances ; Jobs ; Out ; Pride fairs ; PrideCats ; UK LGBTQ* Alumni Group Employment--Kentucky ; Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Occupations 17 1941 Current life Um, so tell us a bit about, uh, Michael in 2017 and, um, you know, what excites you, what are you working on or involved in? DeLeon talks about his interest in pottery and gardening. He talks about his sons and tells a story about parenting. Childrearing ; Children ; Creativity ; Dishes ; Family ; Gardening ; Greg Bourke ; Hobbies ; Husband ; Interests ; Obergefell v. Hodges ; Parenting ; Pottery ; Sons ; Supreme Court decision ; University of Kentucky Gay adoption. ; Gay couples. ; Gay men--Family relationships--United States. ; Gay parents. ; Gays--Family relationships. ; Sexual minorities' families. ; Sexual minority parents. 17 2160 Hopes for the future So a, as we wrap up our conversation, um, what do you want to share that we haven't asked? DeLeon talks about his feelings on the current political climate as a gay Hispanic man. He talks about his hopes for changing the situation. The interview is concluded. Caring ; Changes ; Different ; Help ; Hispanic ; Political environment Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Hispanic Americans--Kentucky. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Politics and government 17 interview Michael DeLeon and his husband Greg Bourke were the plaintiffs in the Kentucky same-sex marriage case Bourke v. Beshear which later went to the Supreme Court as part of the Obergefell v. Hodges case which ruled that the fundamental right to marry is guaranteed to same-sex couples. In this interview, Michael DeLeon discusses his childhood in rural Kentucky, his experiences at the University of Kentucky, and his experience coming out as a gay man. He talks about meeting his husband Greg Bourke and their involvement in the same-sex marriage cases Bourke v. Beshear and Obergefell v. Hodges. He discusses the role of religion in his life, his involvement in activism, and his family. No transcript. All rights to the interviews, including but not restricted to legal title, copyrights and literary property rights, have been transferred to the University of Kentucky Libraries. video Interviews may only be reproduced with permission from Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries. 0 http://www.nunncenter.net/ohms/render.php?cachefile=2017oh762_lgbtq005_deleon_ohm.xml 2017oh762_lgbtq005_deleon_ohm.xml https://oralhistory.uky.edu/catalog/xt70gb1xgm7q
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Michael DeLeon and his husband Greg Bourke were the plaintiffs in the Kentucky same-sex marriage case Bourke v. Beshear which later went to the Supreme Court as part of the Obergefell v. Hodges case which ruled that the fundamental right to marry is guaranteed to same-sex couples.
In this interview, Michael DeLeon discusses his childhood in rural Kentucky, his experiences at the University of Kentucky, and his experience coming out as a gay man. He talks about meeting his husband Greg Bourke and their involvement in the same-sex marriage cases Bourke v. Beshear and Obergefell v. Hodges. He discusses the role of religion in his life, his involvement in activism, and his family.
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Gay men--Identity.
Gay adoption.
Gay men--United States--Social conditions.
Gay rights movement
Gay rights--United States.
Gays--Family relationships.
Gays--United States--Social conditions.
Homosexuality--Law and legislation--United States.
Sexual minority parents.
Gay parents.
Gay couples.
Gay men--Legal status, laws, etc.
Gay men--Family relationships--United States.
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Lance Poston
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Greg Bourke
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Obergefell v. Hodges
Marriage equality
Same-sex marriages
Bourke v. Beshear
University of Louisville
Homophobia.
Coming out (Sexual orientation)
Louisville (Ky.)
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5 2017oh763_lgbtq006 Interview with Greg Bourke, December 11, 2017 2017oh763_lgbtq006 ohlgbtq Kentucky LGBTQ Oral History Collection lgbtq001 Kentucky LGBTQ Oral History Project Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries (Exhibit) Gay men--Identity. Sexual minorities--Identity. Sexual orientation. Gays--Family relationships. Boy Scouts of America. Lexington (Ky.). Sexual minorities' families. University of Kentucky Gay community Homosexuality--Religious aspects. Homosexuality--Social aspects. Discrimination. Religion Churches Gay couples. Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals Gays--United States--Social conditions. Obergefell v. Hodges Marriage equality Same-sex marriages Bourke v. Beshear University of Louisville Homophobia. Coming out (Sexual orientation) Louisville (Ky.) Greg Bourke Lance Poston 0 Kaltura video < ; iframe src=" ; https://cdnapisec.kaltura.com/p/2106141/sp/210614100/embedIframeJs/uiconf_id/34339901/partner_id/2106141?iframeembed=true& ; playerId=kaltura_player_1513103721& ; entry_id=1_ai8tnx1s& ; flashvars[streamerType]=auto" ; width=" ; 560" ; height=" ; 315" ; allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozAllowFullScreen frameborder=" ; 0" ; style=" ; width: 560px ; height: 315px ; " ; itemprop=" ; video" ; itemscope itemtype=" ; http://schema.org/VideoObject" ; > ; < ; span itemprop=" ; name" ; content=" ; 2017oh763_lgbtq006_bourke_acc003" ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; span itemprop=" ; description" ; content=" ; " ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; span itemprop=" ; duration" ; content=" ; 3265" ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; span itemprop=" ; thumbnail" ; content=" ; http://cfvod.kaltura.com/p/2106141/sp/210614100/thumbnail/entry_id/1_ai8tnx1s/version/100001" ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; span itemprop=" ; width" ; content=" ; 560" ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; span itemprop=" ; height" ; content=" ; 315" ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; /iframe> ; 0 Personal background Welcome Greg. Greg Bourke is introduced and gives a brief overview of his childhood in Louisville, Kentucky. Family ; Kentucky ; Proud ; Roman Catholic Childhood ; Families. ; Louisville (Ky.) ; Religion 17 75 Coming out So, um, we know for many LGBTQ folks, uh, the first time someone comes out is a significant life milestone. Bourke talks about coming out in 1976 and the process of coming out to people one-on-one. He talks about having to take time to 'come to terms' with his sexual orientation. He talks about the overall support he received from his family and friends. 1976 ; Acceptance ; All-boys high schools ; Attitudes ; Catholic high schools ; Churches ; Comfort level ; Coming out experiences ; Coming out process ; Different ; Difficult ; Family ; Friends ; High schools ; One-on-one ; Reactions ; Rejection ; Risky ; Supportive Closeted gays. ; College environment ; College students--Social conditions ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Gay men--Identity. ; Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals ; Gays--Family relationships. ; Sexual minorities' families. ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual minority college students ; Sexual orientation. ; University of Louisville 17 368 Meeting his husband Michael DeLeon and their life together So a part of this, uh, right, coming out or growing process or, or milestones, uh, at least in your life, would involve, uh, your now-husband. Bourke talks about coming to Lexington, Kentucky to attend the University of Kentucky. He talks about meeting his now-husband Michael DeLeon at The Bar, and describes how their relationship developed. He talks about their decision to move in together, and their later decision to move to Connecticut for a few years before returning to Kentucky. 1982 ; 1987 ; Break-ins ; Burglary ; Careers ; Commitments ; Connecticut ; Dating ; Family ; Graduate schools ; Graduation ; Houses ; Husband ; Jobs ; Kentucky ; Louisville (Ky.) ; Michael DeLeon ; Moving in ; Parents ; Relationships ; Stability ; The Bar (Bar) Gay bars ; Gay community ; Gay couples. ; Gay culture. ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Sexual minorities' families. ; University of Kentucky 17 743 Welcoming and unwelcoming places in Lexington for LGBTQ people So in, in thinking about, um, the, the first moment you all had together right here at, at UK-- Bourke talks about places in Lexington where he felt comfortable as an out gay man, and places he did not. He tells a story about a bomb threat being called in at UK when an LGBTQ student group attempted to form. He talks about The Bar as a sort of 'community center' for LGBTQ people. He talks about being accepted at the Catholic church in Lexington. Bomb threats ; Comfortable ; Connections ; Discrimination ; Films ; Harassment ; Historic St. Paul Catholic Church ; Kentucky Kernel (Newspaper) ; Kentucky Theater ; Meetings ; Roman Catholic ; Student Center ; Student organizations ; The Bar (Bar) ; Welcoming Gay community ; Gay couples. ; Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homophobia. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Religion ; University of Kentucky 17 975 Role of religion in his life So you, you mentioned, right, uh, you just talked a bit about the religious space, the Catholic church here in town that you, um, found to be... Bourke discusses the role of religion in his life as well as in his relationship with his husband Michael. He talks about their acceptance at their own church, but says there was still conflict with the higher Catholic Church officials. 1987 ; Acceptance ; Arch bishops ; Boy scout troops ; Conflicts ; Controversial ; Difficult ; Faith ; Family ; Impact ; Involvement ; Leadership ; Marriage ; Parishes ; Pastors ; Relationships ; Roman Catholic Churches ; Discrimination. ; Gay couples. ; Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Religious aspects. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Religion 17 1294 Conflict with the Boy Scouts of America You, you mentioned, um, conflict around the Boy Scouts. Bourke talks about how he first became involved with the Boy Scouts when his son became a member. He talks about the Boy Scouts of America's position on LGBTQ members, and his decision to become a scout leader even though it meant going back in the closet. He talks about his decision to no longer hide his sexual orientation and the reaction of the Boy Scouts of America which led him to resign as a scout leader. He talks about his involvement in protests against the Boy Scouts of America's policies. 'In the closet' ; Acceptance ; Activism ; Changes ; Children ; Churches ; Conflicts ; Cub scouts ; Disbanded ; Eagle coaches ; Leadership ; Membership ; Michael DeLeon ; Parishes ; Participation ; Pastors ; Policies ; Protests ; Rallies ; Religious organizations ; Resignation ; Schools ; Scouting ; Scouting activities ; Scouts for Equality ; Sons ; Supportive ; Witch hunts Boy Scouts of America. ; Churches ; Closeted gays. ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Discrimination. ; Gay couples. ; Gay men--Family relationships--United States. ; Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals ; Gay men--United States--Social conditions. ; Gays--Family relationships. ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Religious aspects. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Religion ; Sexual minority parents. 17 1847 Involvement in the Kentucky same-sex marriage case Bourke v. Beshear So your work with the Scouts certainly has, has--sounds like a, a significant part of your life and your activism and something that continues. Bourke talks about his and his husband Michael's decision to get married in Canada in 2004. He talks about how the Proposition 8 decision and the United States v. Windsor decision led to their decision to file a lawsuit in Kentucky to attempt to have their marriage recognized in the state. He talks about the initial reactions to their lawsuit and how that changed over time. 2004 ; Acceptance ; Activism ; Attitudes ; Attorneys ; Bans ; Canada ; Comments ; Constitutional amendments ; Decisions ; Democrats ; Governor Steve Beshear ; Hate ; Kentucky ; Lawsuits ; Legal challenges ; Marriage equality ; Married ; Media coverage ; Michael DeLeon ; Out ; Plaintiffs ; Politicians ; Prop 8 (Proposition 8) ; Reactions ; Recognition ; Rulings ; Same-sex marriage ; South ; State ; Supportive ; United States v. Windsor ; Voting Gay couples. ; Gay men--Family relationships--United States. ; Gay men--Legal status, laws, etc. ; Gay men--United States--Social conditions. ; Gay rights movement ; Gay rights--United States. ; Gay rights. ; Gays--Family relationships. ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Law and legislation--United States. 17 2465 Family as motivation for involvement in Bourke v. Beshear So what--in, in all of this, what role did, uh, did family play in, in motivating and continuing to give you energy through that, uh, that legal process? Bourke talks about how his lack of rights as an adoptive parent were one of the motivating factors for filing the same-sex marriage lawsuit. Adopted ; Children ; Family ; Kentucky ; Lawsuits ; Marriage equality ; Motivations ; Ramifications ; Recognition ; Roles ; Same-sex marriage ; Security ; Single parent adoption ; Supportive Families. ; Gay adoption. ; Gay couples. ; Gay men--Family relationships--United States. ; Gay men--Legal status, laws, etc. ; Gay men--United States--Social conditions. ; Gay parents. ; Gay rights movement ; Gay rights--United States. ; Gay rights. ; Gays--Family relationships. ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Law and legislation--United States. ; Sexual minority parents. 17 2659 Day of the Supreme Court's decision on Obergefell v. Hodges Can you, um, what--can you recall sort of the, the day that the ruling came down in the Supreme Court and what that--where you were and what that felt like? Bourke recounts the proceedings and emotions on the day the decision on Obergefell v. Hodges was announced. He and his family were in the courtroom. Anticipation ; Bomb threats ; Children ; Courtrooms ; Decision day ; Emotional ; Family ; Joyous ; Judge Anthony Kennedy ; Justices ; Kentucky ; Media ; Plaintiffs ; Restraint ; Rulings ; Security ; Supreme Court Families. ; Gay couples. ; Gay men--Family relationships--United States. ; Gay men--Legal status, laws, etc. ; Gay men--United States--Social conditions. ; Gay rights movement ; Gay rights--United States. ; Gay rights. ; Gays--Family relationships. ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Law and legislation--United States. ; Sexual minority parents. 17 2933 Involvement in activism and advocacy So in thinking about, uh, other things you're up to these days, what, um, what other kinds of activism and advocacy are you involved in? Bourke discusses other ways he is involved in LGBTQ activism and advocacy, including being a founding member of the Pride Network Resource Group at Humana, as well as his work with several LGBTQ alumni groups and his involvement with his church. Activism ; Advocacy ; Alumni groups ; Careers ; Catholic Church ; Churches ; Founding members ; HRC Corporate Equality Index ; Humana Inc. ; Jobs ; LGBTQ resource groups ; Michael DeLeon ; Notre Dame University ; Pride Network Resource Group ; PrideCats ; Progress ; Recognition ; Religion ; University of Kentucky ; University of Louisville Employment--Kentucky ; Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Occupations ; Universities and colleges--Alumni and alumnae. 17 3143 Final thoughts So to sort of wrap us up here, um, what do you want to share that we haven't asked? Bourke closes by discussing his outlook on being out in various spaces, saying " ; if we leave, they win." ; He talks about the change he has seen occur in his lifetime in these spaces. The interview is concluded. Changes ; Churches ; Criticism ; Jobs ; Kentucky ; Messages ; Out ; Religion Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. 17 interview Greg Bourke and his husband Michael DeLeon were the plaintiffs in the Kentucky same-sex marriage case Bourke v. Beshear which later went to the Supreme Court as part of the Obergefell v. Hodges case which ruled that the fundamental right to marry is guaranteed to same-sex couples. In this interview, Greg Bourke discusses his experience of coming out as a gay man in Kentucky, and talks about places in Lexington, Kentucky that were welcoming and those that were not. He discusses his conflict with the Boy Scouts of America due to their policy against LGBTQ members. He talks about meeting his husband Michael DeLeon and their involvement in the same-sex marriage cases Bourke v. Beshear and Obergefell v. Hodges. He discusses the role of religion in his life, his involvement in activism, and his family. No transcript. All rights to the interviews, including but not restricted to legal title, copyrights and literary property rights, have been transferred to the University of Kentucky Libraries. video Interviews may only be reproduced with permission from Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries. 0 http://www.nunncenter.net/ohms/render.php?cachefile=2017oh763_lgbtq006_bourke_ohm.xml 2017oh763_lgbtq006_bourke_ohm.xml https://oralhistory.uky.edu/catalog/xt70gb1xgm7q
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Greg Bourke and his husband Michael DeLeon were the plaintiffs in the Kentucky same-sex marriage case Bourke v. Beshear which later went to the Supreme Court as part of the Obergefell v. Hodges case which ruled that the fundamental right to marry is guaranteed to same-sex couples.
In this interview, Greg Bourke discusses his experience of coming out as a gay man in Kentucky, and talks about places in Lexington, Kentucky that were welcoming and those that were not. He discusses his conflict with the Boy Scouts of America due to their policy against LGBTQ members. He talks about meeting his husband Michael DeLeon and their involvement in the same-sex marriage cases Bourke v. Beshear and Obergefell v. Hodges. He discusses the role of religion in his life, his involvement in activism, and his family.
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Gay men--Identity.
Sexual minorities--Identity.
Sexual orientation.
Gays--Family relationships.
Boy Scouts of America.
Lexington (Ky.).
Sexual minorities' families.
University of Kentucky
Gay community
Homosexuality--Religious aspects.
Homosexuality--Social aspects.
Discrimination.
Religion
Churches
Gay couples.
Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals
Gays--United States--Social conditions.
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Oral History
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Interviewer
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Lance Poston
Interviewee
The person(s) being interviewed
Ernesto Scorsone
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Legislature
Anti-discrimination protection
Bullying legislation
AIDS legislation
Hate crime legislation
Domestic violence legislation
Healthcare legislation
Education legislation
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5 2017oh764_lgbtq007 Interview with Ernesto Scorsone, December 11, 2017 2017oh764_lgbtq007 ohlgbtq Kentucky LGBTQ Oral History Collection lgbtq001 Kentucky LGBTQ Oral History Project Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries (Exhibit) Coming out (Sexual orientation) Gay community Gay men--Identity. Sexual minorities--Identity. Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals Gays--Identity. Gays--United States--Social conditions. Homosexuality--Social aspects. Sexual orientation. Kentucky--Politics and government Politicians--Kentucky Law and legislation Discrimination. Gay men--Legal status, laws, etc. Educational law and legislation--Kentucky Healthcare law and legislation--Kentucky Gay rights--United States. Gays--Legal status, laws, etc.--United States. Homosexuality--Law and legislation--United States. Gay couples--Legal status, laws, etc.--United States. Legislature Anti-discrimination protection Bullying legislation AIDS legislation Hate crime legislation Domestic violence legislation Healthcare legislation Education legislation Ernesto Scorsone Lance Poston 0 Kaltura video < ; iframe src=" ; https://cdnapisec.kaltura.com/p/2106141/sp/210614100/embedIframeJs/uiconf_id/34339901/partner_id/2106141?iframeembed=true& ; playerId=kaltura_player_1513103691& ; entry_id=1_xvws6xc4& ; flashvars[streamerType]=auto" ; width=" ; 560" ; height=" ; 315" ; allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozAllowFullScreen frameborder=" ; 0" ; style=" ; width: 560px ; height: 315px ; " ; itemprop=" ; video" ; itemscope itemtype=" ; http://schema.org/VideoObject" ; > ; < ; span itemprop=" ; name" ; content=" ; 2017oh764_lgbtq007_scorsone_acc003" ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; span itemprop=" ; description" ; content=" ; " ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; span itemprop=" ; duration" ; content=" ; 3324" ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; span itemprop=" ; thumbnail" ; content=" ; http://cfvod.kaltura.com/p/2106141/sp/210614100/thumbnail/entry_id/1_xvws6xc4/version/100001" ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; span itemprop=" ; width" ; content=" ; 560" ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; span itemprop=" ; height" ; content=" ; 315" ; > ; < ; /span> ; < ; /iframe> ; 0 Personal background So Ernesto, painting with broad strokes, tell us about yourself and your early memories, especially those connections to the Commonwealth of Kentucky. Ernesto Scorsone is introduced and talks about his family's moves from Italy to Argentina to the United States and why he ultimately settled in Kentucky. 1960 ; Argentina ; Eastern Kentucky University ; Family ; Fathers ; Italy ; Kentucky ; Mothers ; Moving ; New York ; Parents ; United States Childhood ; Emigration and immigration. ; Families. 17 85 Coming out Um, so thinking about, um, your LGBTQ identity and, and a major milestone for so many LGBTQ folks is, uh, is coming out. Scorsone talks about being a 'late bloomer' and not coming out until after finishing law school. He talks about the process of coming out, including his struggle regarding his professional career due to a lack of role models. 1978 ; Activism ; Attorneys ; Boston (Ma.) ; Catholic ; Challenges ; Civil rights ; Comfortable ; Counselors ; Dating ; Friends ; Gay bars ; Gay rights ; Law schools ; Priests ; Professionals ; Role models ; Struggles ; Support groups ; Traumatic Closeted gays. ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Gay community ; Gay men--Identity. ; Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Sexual minorities--Identity. 17 336 Welcoming and unwelcoming places in Kentucky for LGBTQ people So, uh, certainly even before taking on some of these things it sounds like, uh, you know, U, UK was a, a space where, um, you know, you went to school and you were, you were thinking about some of these identity components. Scorsone talks about why he left Eastern Kentucky University after participating in student protests and came to the University of Kentucky. He talks about some of the places in Kentucky that were welcoming and some that were not, and says that gay bars were one of the only comfortable spaces. He talks about meeting another LGBTQ person in the law field and the complicated way they each had to figure it out. Anti-war movement ; Civil rights ; Connections ; Courtrooms ; Criminal law ; Eastern Kentucky University ; Gay bars ; GSO ; Hidden ; Law schools ; Lexington (Ky.) ; Parents ; Politics ; Secrets ; Student rights ; Undergraduate education ; University administration ; University of Kentucky Anti-war demonstrations ; Closeted gays. ; College campuses. ; College environment ; College students--Attitudes. ; College students--Conduct of life. ; College students--Social conditions ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Gay community ; Gay men--Identity. ; Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Student protesters ; Vietnam War, 1961-1975 ; Vietnam War, 1961-1975--Protest movements 17 669 Becoming involved in politics So I think completely connected to that in so many ways, tell us about your, um, your early professional life and, and your transition into politics. Scorsone talks about his early interest in politics during high school, his involvement with lobbying for students' rights in Frankfort during college, and his involvement in political campaigns before running for office himself. He tells a story about an opponent who attempted to out him during a campaign. 1970s ; 1977 ; 1984 ; Board of trustees ; Frankfort (Ky.) ; High schools ; Hunger strikes ; Legislature ; Lobbying ; Names ; Outing ; Political campaigns ; Professional life ; Running for office ; Senate ; Speaker of the House ; Student government presidents ; University of Kentucky ; Voting Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals ; Gays--Identity. ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Kentucky--Politics and government ; Law and legislation ; Politicians--Kentucky ; Sexual orientation. 17 936 Coming out while being a political figure How do you think, um, in the earliest days, uh, you know, beyond this, uh, this, uh, you know, perhaps miss from your opponent in outing you... Scorsone talks about not hiding his sexual orientation while running for office or serving as a political figure. He talks about the way he decided to officially come out as a political figure in order to not make it a big deal and talks about how the other Senators reacted. He talks about his work on legislation to protect LGBTQ state employees from discrimination. 1998 ; Anti-discrimination protection ; Awareness ; Changes ; Comfortable ; Congress ; Dynamics ; Gay bars ; Gay causes ; Gay issues ; Governor Paul Patton ; Husband ; Legislation ; Lobbying ; Open ; Out ; Political campaigns ; Public figures ; Public personas ; Public statements ; Re-election ; Relationships ; Senators ; Sexuality ; Speeches ; State employees Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals ; Gays--Identity. ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Kentucky--Politics and government ; Law and legislation ; Politicians--Kentucky ; Sexual orientation. 17 1313 Involvement with LGBTQ-related legislation--Part I So you mentioned, um, your, uh, your anti-discrimination work that, that ultimately made it to Governor Patton. Scorsone talks more about his work on legislation to protect LGBTQ state employees from discrimination. He talks about his work on including LGBTQ protections in hate crime legislation. He talks about Paul Mason's work on AIDS legislation and education. He discusses his role in challenging Kentucky's sodomy laws. 1985 ; AIDS education ; AIDS legislation ; Anti-discrimination protection ; Arrests ; Bullying legislation ; Challenges ; Civil rights ; Criminal defense ; Dates ; Dragnets ; Gay bars ; Governor Ernie Fletcher ; Governor Paul Patton ; Governor Steve Beshear ; Governor's crime bill ; Hate crime legislation ; Hate crimes ; Job loss ; Judge Tim Philpot ; Judiciary committee ; Legislature ; Lobbying ; Paul Mason ; Provisions ; Ramifications ; Republicans ; Rescinded ; Scandals ; Senate ; Sex workers ; Sodomy laws ; Supreme Court ; Timing Discrimination. ; Gay men--Legal status, laws, etc. ; Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals ; Gay rights--United States. ; Gay rights. ; Gays--Legal status, laws, etc.--United States. ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Law and legislation--United States. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Kentucky--Politics and government ; Law and legislation ; Politicians--Kentucky ; Sexual orientation. 17 1844 Involvement with LGBTQ organizations So you've also had a great deal of impact, uh, in, in creating, helping create, or, or supporting the early days of, of LGBT groups or, or related organizations here in town. Scorsone talks about his involvement in LGBTQ groups like the Pride Community Services Organization (PCSO), JustFundKY, and the AIDS Walk, among others. He talks about the importance of forming a state-wide LGBTQ organization and an endowment to help it continue into the future. AIDS Walk ; Amendments ; Backlash ; Barney Frank ; Corporate sponsors ; Drag queens ; Endowments ; Fundraisers ; JustFundKY ; Kentucky Educational Television (KET) ; Legislature ; LGBTQ groups ; Pride Community Services Organization (PCSO) ; Sodomy laws ; State constitution ; State-wide group AIDS (Disease) ; Gay community ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Lexington (Ky.)--Social conditions ; Lexington (Ky.). 17 2190 Involvement with LGBTQ-related legislation--Part II So, uh, yet an, another important battle you've been a part of for LGBTQ folks in, um, in Kentucky has been around, uh, domestic violence protection for, for same-sex couples. Scorsone talks about his work have LGBTQ couples included in domestic violence protection legislation. Appeals ; Civil rights ; Court of Appeals ; Domestic violence act ; Domestic violence legislation ; Domestic violence victims ; Ireland v. Davis ; Judges ; Legislature ; Protection Discrimination. ; Gay couples--Legal status, laws, etc.--United States. ; Gay men--Legal status, laws, etc. ; Gay rights--United States. ; Gay rights. ; Gays--Legal status, laws, etc.--United States. ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Law and legislation--United States. ; Kentucky--Politics and government ; Law and legislation ; Politicians--Kentucky ; Sexual orientation. 17 2318 Husband, John Davis Uh, shifting back a little bit out of, um, you know, out of the legislative mode to, to thinking about um--you know in a more personal family way... Scorsone talks about how he met his now-husband, John Davis. He talks about their shared interests. AIDS Walk ; Front Runners ; Gay running groups ; Hobbies ; Houses ; Husband ; Interests ; John Davis ; Kentucky Fairness Alliance ; Politics ; Wedding bands Gay community ; Gay couples. 17 2526 Current work as a circuit court judge Uh, so tell us about, um, your current work, um, as a, as a circuit court judge and, um, and, and what is exciting or challenging in, in 2017 for, for Ernesto Scorsone. Scorsone talks about his current work as a Fayette Circuit Court Judge. He talks about how he has been accepted by his fellow judges. He talks about some of the accomplishments that he is most proud of. 'Judicial prom' ; Acceptance ; Awareness ; Circuit court judges ; Conciliation conferences ; Criminal justice system ; Education legislation ; Foreclosures ; Healthcare legislation ; Husband ; John Davis ; Out ; Proud ; Spouses Educational law and legislation--Kentucky ; Gay men--Relations with heterosexuals ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Healthcare law and legislation--Kentucky ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Kentucky--Politics and government ; Law and legislation ; Politicians--Kentucky ; Sexual orientation. 17 2799 Involvement with healthcare and education legislation Well that, that raises another, maybe a, a two-part good question here. Scorsone talks about some of his proudest accomplishments in terms of healthcare and education legislation. 1990 ; Board of Trustees ; Coldstream Research Campus ; Education legislation ; End of life care ; Funding ; Healthcare legislation ; Higher education ; Kentucky Education Reform Act (KERA) ; Living wills ; Mammogram screenings ; Minority representation ; Proud ; Republicans ; Teachers ; University of Kentucky ; Women's health Education, Higher--Kentucky ; Educational law and legislation--Kentucky ; Healthcare law and legislation--Kentucky ; Kentucky--Politics and government ; Law and legislation ; Politicians--Kentucky 17 3061 Plans for the future So in 2017, a, and looking towards the future, what, what excites you and what do you, what do you want to engage in? Scorsone talks about his role as a fundraiser to continue to help LGBTQ people in Kentucky into the future. Connections ; Endowments ; Fundraising ; Future ; Generations ; Older people ; Roles Gay community ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. 17 3188 University of Kentucky as a leader in Lexington on LGBTQ issues So as we wrap up, um, is there anything you want to tell us or talk about that we haven't asked? Scorsone talks about UK's role in Lexington in terms of pushing forward LGBTQ protections and being a role model for other businesses. The interview is concluded. Corporate sponsorships ; Domestic partnership benefits ; Fairness ordinances ; Fundraisers ; Leadership ; Lee Todd ; Opportunities ; Power ; Role models ; State-wide fairness alliances College administrators ; College environment ; College presidents ; Gay community ; Gay rights--United States. ; Gay rights. ; Gays--United States--Social conditions. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Lexington (Ky.) ; University of Kentucky 17 interview Ernesto Scorsone is a lawyer, politician, and judge from Kentucky. At the time of this interview he is serving as Fayette Circuit Court Judge. In this interview he discusses his personal background, his coming out experience, and the places in Kentucky where he felt welcome and those where he felt unwelcome. He talks about his early interest in politics, running for office, and his experience as an out gay man in politics. He talks about his involvement in passing LGBTQ-related legislation, as well as healthcare and education legislation. 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Ernesto Scorsone is a lawyer, politician, and judge from Kentucky. At the time of this interview he is serving as Fayette Circuit Court Judge. In this interview he discusses his personal background, his coming out experience, and the places in Kentucky where he felt welcome and those where he felt unwelcome. He talks about his early interest in politics, running for office, and his experience as an out gay man in politics. He talks about his involvement in passing LGBTQ-related legislation, as well as healthcare and education legislation.
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Lance Poston
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Reinette Jones
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5 2018oh092_lgbtq008 Interview with Reinette Jones, January 26, 2018 2018oh092_lgbtq008 ohlgbtq Outsouth: LGBTQ+ Oral History Collection lgbtq001 Outsouth: LGBTQ+ Oral History Project Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries (Exhibit) Race relations--Kentucky Library science African Americans--History African American women in higher education African American single mothers African American lesbians--Identity Lesbians Pride Community outreach Kentucky pride Being out Notable Kentucky African Americans Database Racism in the LGBTQ community Reinette Jones Lance Poston 0 Vimeo video < ; iframe allowFullScreen frameborder=" ; 0" ; height=" ; 564" ; mozallowfullscreen src=" ; https://player.vimeo.com/video/252939702" ; webkitAllowFullScreen width=" ; 640" ; > ; < ; /iframe> ; 0 Personal background So let's start with, uh, a really broad question. Painting with the broadest strokes, tell us about yourself and your early memories, and what are your connections in thinking about that to the Commonwealth of Kentucky. Reinette Jones is introduced. Jones briefly shares about her upbringing in Paris, Kentucky, her daughter, and her work history leading up to her enrollment in the University of Kentucky's library science program. Jones also discusses her historical research and learning, and the contributions that African Americans living in Kentucky have made to the Commonwealth of Kentucky and, more broadly, the country as a whole. Childhood ; Commonwealth of Kentucky ; Higher education ; Master of arts degree ; Paris (Ky.) African American single mothers ; African American women in higher education ; African Americans--History ; African Americans--Social conditions. ; Kentucky--History ; Library science ; Race relations--Kentucky ; Sexual minority college students ; University of Kentucky 17 291 Coming out So a, a part of, um--certainly a significant part of your life story, um, as it would be for anybody's life story, is your own identity and your, um, you know, partners you've had, or, or your partner. Jones shares her experience coming out as a lesbian during her 30s. She describes the difference in reactions to her lesbian identity between her friends and her family. Closeted ; Family ; Friendship ; Gay bars ; In the closet ; Lesbian bars ; Visibility ; Vulnerability African American lesbians--Identity ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Lesbians ; Lesbians, Black ; Lesbians--Identity ; Monogamous relationships 17 794 Segregation within LGBTQ spaces And you, you--so it was at a bar downtown or The Bar? Jones discusses the divisions she has observed within the LGBT community, particularly along racial lines, but also among different sexual and gender identities. She particularly focuses on racial segregation at The Bar in downtown Lexington during the 1990s. Intra-community issues ; Intracommunity divisions ; LGBTQ community ; Racism in the LGBTQ community ; The Bar Complex (Lexington, Ky.) African American lesbians--Identity ; Black, lesbian ; Gay men ; Lesbians ; Race relations--Kentucky ; Segregation ; Sexual minorities ; Transgender people ; Whites--Race identity 38.044321, -84.494928 17 The Bar Complex (Lexington, Ky.) 1158 Bluegrass Black Pride and Kentucky Black Pride So, a, a, another piece you mentioned in, uh, in that last story, was your role in Bluegrass Black Pride. Jones details her involvement with Bluegrass Black Pride Incorporated, describing the individuals who founded the group, what the group does, and how the group has changed overtime. She also discusses Kentucky Black Pride. African American community ; AIDS ; Black history month ; Black identity ; Bluegrass Black Pride, Inc. ; Education ; HIV ; Kentucky Black Pride ; LGBTQ pride parades ; Outreach ; Resources ; Support ; Sustaining organizations AIDS (Disease)--Patients ; Black, lesbian ; Gay pride parades ; HIV-positive persons ; Lesbians--Identity. ; Same-sex partner abuse 17 1472 Experiences finding LGBTQ supportive spaces / Relations between faculty and staff on campus with regard to sexual identity How--what have your experiences been, either personally or, or seeing others, uh, find supportive spaces and ways to engage in those groups and, and maybe ways that that's been more difficult? Jones discusses her experiences with LGBT groups in Lexington. She also discusses the racial and socioeconomic complications of the issues various LGBT groups choose to focus on. LGBTQ community ; Lower income individuals ; Private spaces ; Programming ; Resources ; Welcoming African American lesbians--Identity ; Gay men ; Lesbians ; Lesbians, Black ; Lesbians--Identity. ; Racism ; Sexism ; Single mothers 17 1791 Time as a student at the University of Kentucky In your, in your time--and this doesn't have to be LGBTQ focused or the lens through which you're, you're answering this though it can be--um, tell us more about your time as a, as a student and now your time as a faculty member in the libraries? Jones discusses her experience as an undergraduate at the University of Kentucky. She describes the logistical issues she faced as a single mother student. Jones also discusses her enjoyment of the cultural exchange between students of different cultures, and how much she learned from that. Babysitting ; Cultural exchange ; Cultural relations ; Learning outside the classroom ; Lower income individuals ; Resources ; Undergraduate African American single mothers ; African American women college students ; Education ; Learning ; Library science ; Nontraditional college students ; Sexual minority college students ; Single mothers ; University of Kentucky 17 2075 Experiences to be proud of as a faculty member / Proud to be out As a faculty member what have been--you know, if there are two or three most significant or proudest moments you've had as a professional here, what would those be? Jones shares a few of her proudest accomplishments as a faculty member at the University of Kentucky. She discusses her involvement with the Notable Kentucky African Americans database and the NKAA's importance. Jones also talks about the book she published, " ; Library Service to African Americans in Kentucky from the Reconstruction Era to the 1960s," ; and the national librarians' conference she helped to put on in Louisville, Kentucky. Accomplishments ; American Library Association (ALA) ; Being out ; Conferences ; Faculty ; Kentucky pride ; Lost history ; Migration ; Notable Kentucky African Americans Database (NKAA) ; Pride ; Public libraries ; Unwritten history African American librarians ; African American women librarians ; African Americans--History ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Databases ; Kentucky--History ; Libraries ; Library science ; Race relations--Kentucky ; Segregation ; University of Kentucky 17 3209 Role of religion in personal life A, as a part of these co, conversations, either that you're having with yourself or that people are, are having with you, and, and you know as you, you are coming out and being more out and creating a relationship, did religion play any role in that at all? Jones discusses how religion has not played into her life or her life decisions. Secularism Religion 17 3254 Future hopes and aspirations So as we think about Reinette in 2018, um, you've told us, uh, several, uh, rich stories about your proudest moments, but either in, in your professional life or your personal life, um, what excites you? What are you up to now and what excites you about that? Jones discusses what she is excited about in the future, particularly focusing on the future of LGBTQ activism. She also expresses hope for student organizations and activism. Being out ; Bills ; Legislation ; Pride ; Protests African American lesbians--Identity ; Black, lesbian ; Lesbians ; Race relations--Kentucky ; Sexual minorities 17 3603 Divisions among LGBTQ people within the community So as we, as we wrap up-- Jones discusses organizations and meetings among LGBTQ people, and the divisions she senses between people. Jones emphasizes the importance of trust, and speculates if that is perhaps the source of the divisions she sees. Jones also shares more about her childhood as a lesbian, and her daughter. Animosity ; Childhood ; Childhood crushes ; Daughters ; Divisions ; Emotions ; Lesbian childhood ; LGBTQ ; LGBTQ community ; Prejudice ; Trust African American lesbians--Identity ; African American single mothers ; Lesbians ; Lesbians, Black ; Lesbians--Identity 17 interview Reinette Jones is a special collections librarian and African American Studies academic liaison at the University of Kentucky. Jones shares her experiences leading up to her enrollment in the University of Kentucky's library science program, focusing particularly on her identity as a black lesbian, especially her personal experience navigating coming out and seeking supportive spaces. Jones elaborates at length on the complexities of intracommunity divisions within the LGBTQ community and historical segregation within the LGBTQ community. Jones also discusses her historical research, her library science degrees, and the contributions that African Americans living in Kentucky have made to the Commonwealth of Kentucky and, more broadly, the country as a whole. Jones details her involvement with Notable Kentucky African Americans Database (NKAA), Bluegrass Black Pride Incorporated, and other scholarly and activist accomplishments. No transcript. All rights to the interviews, including but not restricted to legal title, copyrights and literary property rights, have been transferred to the University of Kentucky Libraries. video Interviews may only be reproduced with permission from Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries. 0 http://www.nunncenter.net/ohms/render.php?cachefile=2018oh092_lgbtq008_jones_ohm.xml 2018oh092_lgbtq008_jones_ohm.xml https://kentuckyoralhistory.org/catalog/xt70gb1xgm7q
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Reinette Jones is a special collections librarian and African American Studies academic liaison at the University of Kentucky. Jones shares her experiences leading up to her enrollment in the University of Kentucky's library science program, focusing particularly on her identity as a black lesbian, especially her personal experience navigating coming out and seeking supportive spaces. Jones elaborates at length on the complexities of intracommunity divisions within the LGBTQ community and historical segregation within the LGBTQ community. Jones also discusses her historical research, her library science degrees, and the contributions that African Americans living in Kentucky have made to the Commonwealth of Kentucky and, more broadly, the country as a whole. Jones details her involvement with Notable Kentucky African Americans Database (NKAA), Bluegrass Black Pride Incorporated, and other scholarly and activist accomplishments.
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Adriana Sisko
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Nelson Fields
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5 2018oh192_lgbtq009 Interview with Nelson Fields, April 11, 2018 2018oh192_lgbtq009 ohlgbtq Outsouth: LGBTQ+ Oral History Collection lgbtq001 Outsouth: LGBTQ+ Oral History Project Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries (Exhibit) Gay men Work ethic Theatre Gay bars Sexual orientation--Religious aspects. Gay men--Mental health. Spirituality Closeted Southern Baptist Costuming Therapy Coming out (Sexual orientation) Marriage Self-love The Bar Complex Nelson Fields Adriana Sisko 0 Vimeo video < ; iframe src=" ; https://player.vimeo.com/video/264466956" ; width=" ; 640" ; height=" ; 360" ; frameborder=" ; 0" ; webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen> ; < ; /iframe> ; 0 Introduction I am Adriana Sisko, and it is April 11th, and I'm at the Louie B Nunn Center conducting an interview with Nelson Fields for the OutSouth Project. Thank you for joining me, Nelson. Nelson Fields introduces himself as a professor of theatre, having worked at the University of Kentucky for twenty-one years. He also mentions his time as an undergraduate student at the same university. Professor of theater Theater ; University of Kentucky 17 48 Childhood So tell me a little bit about your upbringing. Fields describes his upbringing. Fields was born in Harlan, Kentucky, but moved to Georgetown at a young age. Fields shares about his childhood playing outside with his siblings around the farmhouse. He also talks about the house that his father built for the family. Fields discusses his father's commitment to the eighteen-month project and his work ethic. Labor ; Parents ; Playing ; Siblings ; Southern Baptist ; Southern Baptist Convention Gay men. ; Kentucky, Northern 38.209341, -84.558970 17 Georgetown (Ky.) 341 Father's character / Family home Had your father ever done any projects like this before? Or is this the first time he was in charge of building a whole house? Fields shares insight into his father's character. He discusses his father's work ethic, particularly with regard to the family home that his father built for them. Fields also talks about how his father remained productive well into his retirement and how much of a positive impact his father's character had in his upbringing. Boredom ; Childhood ; Determination ; Electricity ; Family trips ; Fathers ; Finances ; Inventors ; Plumbing ; Pride ; Retirement ; Siblings Carpentry ; Gardening ; House construction ; Work ethic 17 651 High school in Georgetown, Kentucky / Introduction to theater Uh, you mentioned briefly high school. Fields discusses his high school experience, including encounters with bullying. Fields talks about his peers' awareness of his sexual identity, an awareness he did not share until later on. In addition, Fields also discusses the origins of his passion for theater, and the high school English teacher that introduced him to it. Belonging ; Bullies ; Gender roles ; Georgetown (Ky.) ; High schools ; Ostracized ; Outsiders ; Parents ; Support Bullying ; Gay men--Identity ; Gay men. ; Gender expression ; High school environment ; Kentucky, Northern ; Ostracization ; Sexual minorities. ; Teachers ; Theater ; Theatre 17 1048 The meaning of the word 'gay' growing up / Targeted bullying Yeah, well we'll move into the UK years-- Fields talks about the ambiguous but negative impression he had growing up about the word 'gay'. Fields discusses the limited sources he had access to regarding gay identity and homosexuality, including his family church. Fields also delves into the bullying and harassment he experienced during high school. Fields shares at what age he felt different, what age he began to apply the word 'gay' to himself, and how other people around him seemed to be aware of his sexuality before he was. Churches ; Denial ; Queer as Folk (Television program) ; Realization ; Self realization ; Southern Baptist Bullying ; Gay men, ; Gay men, White ; Gay teenagers. ; Gays--Identity ; Harassment ; Homophobia ; Homosexuality ; Homosexuality--Religious aspects. ; Sexual minorities—Identity 17 1405 Role of religion during childhood / Interaction between faith and sexual identity You mentioned, um, that you heard about homosexuality at church. Fields goes into more detail about the church community that he and his family were part of, and how central the church was to their life. He discusses how, during his high school years, the clash between his church and his budding sexuality created an internal conflict for him. Fields discusses how his perspectives on organized religion and spirituality have changed and evolved over time, as informed by the conflict he experienced with his sexuality. Churches ; Organized religion Bullying ; Gay men. ; Gay teenagers. ; Gays--Identity. ; Harassment ; Homophobia ; Homosexuality--Religious aspects ; Religion ; Spirituality 17 1731 Costuming / Community during college You mentioned, um--there's this emphasis on community going on 'cause you missed the community feeling that you had going to church. Fields describes how he developed an interest in sewing during late high school. Fields discusses his mother's stance on his interest in sewing and costumes as well as his decision to go to university to study theater. Fields talks about the first day he went to the costume shop in the Fine Arts Building. Actors ; Clothing ; Costume shops ; Costumers ; Costuming ; Department of Theatre & ; Dance ; Fine Arts Buildings ; Gender roles ; High schools ; Mothers ; Parents ; Sewing machines Acting ; Costume designers ; Sewing ; Theater ; Theatre ; Undergraduates ; University of Kentucky 38.037023, -84.501989 17 Fine Arts Building, University of Kentucky, Lexington (Ky.) 2134 College becoming secondary to theater / College experience / First coming out So I just kind of, that's what I did. Fields details his experience as an undergraduate at the University of Kentucky. He talks about his passion for theater and, at the time, his lack of concentration on school outside of his theater responsibilities. Fields also discusses his sexuality during these years, a brief engagement to a young woman he knew from high school, and how he met other gay people at bars in Lexington and Louisville and made friendships there. Fields shares his first coming out experience as well. Acceptance ; Advisors ; Closet ; Closeted ; Community ; Discovery ; Friendships ; Judges ; Lexington (Ky.) ; Louisville (Ky.) ; Pageants ; Passion ; Resources ; Second adolescence ; The Bar Complex ; Theatre & ; Dance Department ; Vulnerability Closeted gays ; Drag shows ; Female impersonators ; Gay bars ; University of Kentucky 17 2611 Dating / Self-medicating Before we get to the post-college professional years, I wanna loop back to something you, you slipped in real quick. Fields gives an overview of his dating history throughout his teenage years and his twenties. During this period, he shares, he remained closeted with his family. Fields also talks about how he began to turn to drugs as a form of self-medication in order to cope. Cars ; Closeted ; Dating ; Denial ; Engagement ; Family ; High schools ; In the closet ; Mothers ; Questioning ; Relationships Closeted gays. ; Drug abuse--Social aspects ; Drugs ; Gay men ; Gay men, White ; Gays--Identity. ; Self medication 17 2917 Out in Lexington, not out to family It seems like that self-medicating phase is really tied into your coming out journey. Fields discusses his level of 'outness' during his twenties, and how while he was out in Lexington among like-minded friends, he was not out to his family. In addition, Fields looks back on his parents and talks about the support they did offer him when it came to his passion for theater. Family ; Fathers ; Lexington (Ky.) ; Mothers ; Out ; Outness ; Parents Closeted gays. ; Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Gay bars ; Gay men ; Gay men, White ; Gays--Identity. ; Therapy 17 3299 Gay bars in Lexington during the 1970s Um, before we move to the post-college, marriage-- Fields talks about the bars he frequented during his twenties, the drag shows he attended, and the social connections he was able to make. Fields also mentions that school became less important to him during this period, while theater remained very important. Additionally, Fields discusses how he began to make his own clothing, and how the Fine Arts Building functioned as a safe space. Campus ; Costuming ; Dancing ; Drag queens ; Fine Arts Building ; High schools ; Johnny Angel ; Monteparnasse ; Parties ; Role models ; Safe spaces ; Smoking ; The Bar Complex ; The Living Room ; Theatre & ; Dance Department Clothing ; Drag shows ; Female impersonators ; Sewing ; University of Kentucky 17 3670 Leaving college for professional theater work / New York City / Relationships Uh, you mentioned that eventually, you know, for all these various reasons we've discussed, college got to be too much and you ran away. Where did you run to? Fields discusses the turn his life took when he landed his first professional theater job. Soon afterward, he left the University of Kentucky and pursued more professional theater work, moving away from Kentucky altogether. Fields also talks about the various connections and relationships he ended up in during this period. Actors ; Attraction ; Costuming ; Dating ; Directors ; Friendship ; Interviews ; Lexington (Ky.) ; Love ; Portfolios ; Relationships ; Roommates ; Summer jobs ; The MET ; The Metropolitan ; Unrequited love Gay men ; New York (N.Y.) ; Sewing ; Theater ; Theatre 17 4596 Marriage / Divorce / Learning self-acceptance and self-love So it sounds like during this period you were going from, you know, relationship to relationship. Fields describes where his life headed as his professional work brought him to Las Vegas. He talks about meeting his now ex-wife, their wedding, and graduate school. Fields shares about his declining mental health during this period, and the emotional breakdowns that eventually led to a divorce. In addition, Fields talks about therapy, meditation, and spirituality as the paths he used in order to reach self-love and self-acceptance. AIDS ; Anger ; Children ; Daughters ; Emotional breakdown ; HIV ; HIV/AIDS ; Kids ; Las Vegas (Nev.) ; New York (N.Y.) ; Parties ; Partying ; Self-love (Psychology) ; Therapists ; Therapy ; Wives AIDS (Disease) ; Closeted gays. ; Divorce ; Gay men--Family relationships--United States. ; Gay men--Mental health. ; Gay men. ; Las Vegas Strip (Nev.) ; Marriage ; Meditation ; Self-acceptance ; Spirituality ; Suicide ; Therapy ; Universities and colleges--Graduate work ; University of Kentucky 17 6073 Current partner / Current life on UK campus Four years ago, I met this guy and we've been seeing each other ever since. Fields talks about his current life on campus, his current partner, and what it was like to return to Lexington and come back to the University of Kentucky as a professor. Fields also discusses how he sought out LGBT resources, and eventually ended up hearing about the Office of LGBTQ* Resources. Thereafter, Fields says, he was able to find community and help. Advisory boards ; Community ; Faculty ; Gay students ; Interests ; Lexington (Ky.) ; LGBT community ; LGBTQ community ; Love ; Professors ; Relationships ; Resources ; Role models ; Safe zone training ; Safe zones ; Students ; Support ; Therapists ; Work Gay culture. ; Gay men. ; Teachers ; Therapy ; University of Kentucky 17 6563 Community / Family's reaction to coming out again Suddenly I have a community again, that for years I denied. Fields talks about how he gave up, for a time, the LGBT community in order to have a family community. Also, Fields discusses his family's reaction when he came out to them after his divorce. He also describes how his family behaves concerning his sexuality and his partner, as well as his own personal evolution regarding how he handles his family. Acceptance ; Andrew Tobias ; Fathers ; Gender roles ; Georgetown (Ky.) ; Improvement ; Kentucky ; Mothers ; Parents ; Perfectionism ; Responsibility ; Siblings ; The Best Little Boy in The World (Book) Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Family ; Gay men--Family relationships--United States. ; Gay men. ; Therapy 17 7020 Lexington gay scene then and now / Looking back on his journey Um, this is gonna be probably my last question before-- Fields talks more about the gay scene in Lexington and Louisville during the 1970s. He talks about what he feels has changed in the gay scene over the years. Fields also looks back on his journey toward self-acceptance. Bar culture ; Dancing ; Hookups ; Internet dating ; Open relationships ; Relationships ; Self-acceptance ; Self-love Gay bars ; Gay culture ; Gay men. ; Gays--Identity ; Monogamous relationships ; Non-monogamous relationships ; Online dating 17 interview Nelson Fields shares his journey toward self-love and acceptance, discussing growing up in Georgetown, Kentucky and realizing his sexuality, yet feeling pressured to deny it due to religious and familial forces. Fields shares how he was in and out of the closet, married then eventually divorced before accepting his sexual identity, rediscovering his spirituality, and finding peace with his family. Fields also discusses in great detail his love for theater, costuming, and the positive role that the Fine Arts Building and Theatre & ; Dance Department at the University Kentucky played in his life. No transcript. All rights to the interviews, including but not restricted to legal title, copyrights and literary property rights, have been transferred to the University of Kentucky Libraries. video Interviews may only be reproduced with permission from Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries. 0 http://www.nunncenter.net/ohms/render.php?cachefile=2018oh192_lgbtq009_fields_ohm.xml 2018oh192_lgbtq009_fields_ohm.xml https://oralhistory.uky.edu/catalog/xt70gb1xgm7q
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Nelson Fields shares his journey toward self-love and acceptance, discussing growing up in Georgetown, Kentucky and realizing his sexuality, yet feeling pressured to deny it due to religious and familial forces. Fields shares how he was in and out of the closet, married then eventually divorced before accepting his sexual identity, rediscovering his spirituality, and finding peace with his family. Fields also discusses in great detail his love for theater, costuming, and the positive role that the Fine Arts Building and Theatre & Dance Department at the University Kentucky played in his life.
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Adriana Sisko
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Jennifer Martin
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5 2018oh197_lgbtq010 Interview with Jennifer Martin, April 19, 2018 2018oh197_lgbtq010 ohlgbtq Outsouth: LGBTQ+ Oral History Collection lgbtq001 Outsouth: LGBTQ+ Oral History Project Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries (Exhibit) Gender identity Gender expression Femininity Gender nonconformity University of Kentucky Transgender identity Coming out (Sexual orientation) Gay bars Drag shows Female impersonators Coming out (Gender identity) Lexington (Ky.). Gay community Sexual minorities. Sexual orientation. Transgender people. Transgender people--Legal status, laws, etc. Sexual minorities--Identity. Sexual minority youth Transgender people--Identity. Transgender youth. Religion Bullying Hormone replacement therapy Transgender librarians Transition LGBTQ community The Bar Complex Generational differences Jennifer Martin Adriana Sisko 0 Vimeo video < ; iframe src=" ; https://player.vimeo.com/video/265828035" ; width=" ; 640" ; height=" ; 360" ; frameborder=" ; 0" ; webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen> ; < ; /iframe> ; 0 Introduction I am Adriana Sisko and I am here today at the Nunn Center with Jen Martin. The date is April 19th and we are doing an interview for the OutSouth Project. So thank you for joining me, Jen. Jennifer Martin introduces herself as a resident of Kentucky and an employee of the University of Kentucky Libraries. Lexington (Ky.). ; Libraries and transgender people ; Professional staff ; Student employees ; Undergraduate outreach Librarians ; Libraries ; University of Kentucky 17 74 Upbringing in Jeffersontown, Kentucky / Southern Baptist Convention Alright, so, before we get to the UK years, we'll get to those, uh, but first I like to start you know, chronologically at the beginning. Martin discusses her upbringing in Jeffersontown, Kentucky including her family's frequent attendance at the Jeffersontown Baptist Church. Martin describes her personal involvement with the church during her childhood and teenage years, as well as her relative lack of involvement in more recent years. Childhood ; Church services ; Communities ; Community centers ; Gay community ; Girlhood ; J Town ; J-town ; Jeffersontown (Ky.) ; LGBT community ; LGBTQ community ; Louisville (Ky.) ; Parents ; Sisters ; Southern Baptist Convention ; Suburbs ; Trans community Baptists ; Children's choirs ; Church music ; Churches ; Gender nonconformity ; Handbell choirs ; Music ; Pianists ; Religion ; Sexual orientation--Religious aspects. ; Suburbs ; Vacation Bible schools ; Women in the Southern Baptist Convention 17 315 Middle school and high school How was your school community, like middle school, high school, what was that experience like? Martin discusses growing up as an effeminate child, and the reactions that other children had toward her femininity. Martin shares the experiences she had with bullying, particularly in middle school. She also discusses making a core group of friends in band that helped to protect her, as well as the ways she adjusted her external behavior in response to the bullying. Concert band ; Denial ; Femininity ; Friends ; Gender roles ; Hiding ; High schools ; Mannerisms ; Middle schools ; Protection ; Resistance ; Self-definition ; She-Ra Body language ; Bullying ; Bullying in schools ; Dolls ; Friendship ; Gender identity ; Marching bands ; Music ; Transgender people ; Transgender people--Identity 17 538 Expressing her girlhood as a child When did you first apply the word 'girl' or 'woman' to yourself? Martin explains that she always identified strongly with other girls, and even experienced her childhood as a girl in her head. Martin discusses the ways she was able to express her femininity as a child, as well as the reactions she received from boys and girls. Boys ; Childhood ; Children ; Dress up ; Dress-up ; Dressing up ; Gender roles ; Girls ; Heels ; High heels ; Makeup ; My Little Pony ; Playing ; Wigs Dolls ; Female friendship ; Femininity ; Gender expression ; Gender nonconformity 17 769 College years at the University of Kentucky When you moved on from high school to college, how did this dynamic change or stay the same, in terms of external reactions to you? Martin describes the transition from high school to college. She also discusses to what degree she was closeted at the time. Martin talks about how much of an impact Matthew Shepherd's murder had on people's ability to be out. Martin also remarks on the evolution of terminology over the years surrounding gender identity, from " ; transsexual" ; to " ; transgender" ; . " ; Down low" ; ; " ; Transsexual" ; ; " ; Transsexuals" ; ; Closeted ; Drag ; Drag queens ; Gender roles ; High schools ; In the closet ; Judgment ; Matthew Shepard ; Nicknames ; Ostracization ; Out ; Outness ; Pejoratives ; Sexuality ; Terminology ; Trans community ; Transgender community ; Undergraduate Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Drag shows ; Gay bars ; Gender nonconformity on television ; Online chat groups ; Transgender college students ; Transgender identity ; Transgender people ; University of Kentucky 17 1160 Passion for drag You mentioned drag, and it seems like that was a big moment for you, of some kind of clicking. Martin describes how she developed her interest in the art of drag. She discusses her twenty years of doing drag, what sort of impersonation she aims for, and how she was accepted as transgender by the drag scene. " ; Fish" ; ; " ; Fishy queen" ; ; " ; Fishy" ; ; " ; Genetic woman" ; ; " ; Genetic women" ; ; Drag ; Drag queens ; Lip sync ; Lip syncing ; Performance ; Self definition ; Self determination ; Stage performance ; Trans drag ; Transgender drag Art ; Drag shows ; Female impersonators ; Gay bars ; Music ; Popular music ; Transgender artists ; Transgender people 17 1509 Transitioning while working at the University of Kentucky Tell me a little more about--well more like tell me everything about, um, the transition journey and the timing of that in your life. Martin discusses the process of coming out as transgender and going on hormones during her early twenties. In detail, Martin describes the process of informing her co-workers, informing the dean of libraries, and all the structured efforts those individuals made to assist in her workplace transition. Martin talks about the love and support she received from co-workers, the overall library system at UK, and especially the students she worked with. In addition, Martin briefly discusses dating pre-transition, and how she used to put her gender identity on hold for those relationships. Colleagues ; Coming out (Gender identity) ; Coworkers ; Dating ; Deans ; Hormone diary ; Hormone journal ; Hormone replacement therapy (HRT) ; Hormone therapy ; Relationships ; Students Internet ; Libraries ; Library science ; Online chat groups ; Transgender identity ; Transgender librarians ; Transgender people ; Undergraduates ; University of Kentucky 17 2241 Familial reactions to her first coming out as gay So, you talked about coming out at work, as trans-- Martin talks about how before she ultimately came out as transgender, she initially came out to her family as gay. Martin describes the circumstances of what she terms her 'first coming out', her sister's reaction, and her parents' respective reactions. She also discusses what it was like to unsettle her parents' expectations of her, particularly her mother's expectations. Anger ; Boyfriends ; Dating ; Fathers ; Golden child ; Golden children ; Mothers ; Siblings ; Sisters ; Support ; Upset Coming out (Sexual orientation) ; Family ; Relationships 17 2590 Familial reactions to her ultimate coming out as transgender So that was the first coming out, you phrased-- Martin describes her ultimate coming out to her family as a transgender woman. She talks about the letter she left them, and the very different reactions her father and her mother had in response. She also talks about her sister's acceptance, the time it took for her parents to get her name and her pronouns correct, and the reactions of her other family members. " ; Given name" ; ; Acceptance ; Anger ; Breakdowns ; Coming out (Gender identity) ; Confusion ; Fathers ; Gender roles ; Gendered titles ; Hurt ; Mothers ; Nephews ; Pain ; Pronouns ; Sisters ; Struggle ; Support English language--Pronoun ; Family ; Letter writing ; Transgender identity ; Transgender people 17 3050 Parents' journey toward acceptance / How people interact post-coming out as transgender How has their, you know, meaning your parents, how has their evolution been? Martin describes how her parents have changed over time with regard to their stance toward her gender identity. She talks about their adjustment period, and also talks about the prevalence of expectations of instantaneous, total acceptance in the current political climate. Acceptance ; Adjusting ; Adjustment period ; Change ; Coming out (Gender identity) ; Evolving ; Growing ; Learning ; Living openly ; Love ; Out ; Political climate ; Sensitivity ; Understanding Family ; Politics ; Transgender people ; Transgender people--Identity 17 3345 Career in library science So now we're going to move back into the library a bit. Martin discusses how she ended up in a career as a librarian. She talks about her passion for reading as a child and the long path that eventually led her to a career in library science, a career she hadn't anticipated. Colleagues ; Library science programs ; Readers ; Reading ; Student assistantship ; Work hours ; Working Libraries ; Transgender librarians ; University of Kentucky 17 3818 Perpetual coming out Um, do you ever find yourself coming out still? Do you ever find that that comes up in conversations somehow? Martin discusses trying to keep her interest in drag separate from her library career. She discusses the risks involved in coming out at work. Librarians ; Libraries ; University of Kentucky Coming out (Gender identity) ; Transgender identity ; Transgender people ; Transgender people--Identity 17 3991 The Bar Complex You mentioned working in a bar. Which bar? Martin talks about her experience working at The Bar Complex and the bar's history. She mentions other bars she has worked at over the years. 141 (bar) ; Acceptance ; Bars ; Business owners ; Downtown ; Drag queens ; Environment ; Inclusive ; Jobs ; Johnny Angel's Disco ; LGBTQ community ; Library spaces ; Parades ; Safe havens ; Safe spaces ; Support ; Transition ; University of Kentucky ; Welcoming ; Work Coming out (Gender identity) ; Gay bars ; Gay community ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Transgender identity ; Transgender people ; Transgender people--Identity 17 4349 Lexington during the 1980s versus now You mentioned Lexington during the eighties. Martin talks about how the city of Lexington has changed since the 1980s. She mentions the sodomy laws that were enforced at the time, as well as the lack of safety for transgender individuals. She talks about the progress that has been made and mentions the need to continue working for the future. Acceptance ; Arrests ; Authority ; Bars ; Changes ; Eighties ; Gay men ; Lawmakers ; Police ; Progress ; Safety ; Sodomy laws Gay community ; Gay men--Legal status, laws, etc. ; Gays--Legal status, laws, etc.--United States. ; Homosexuality--Law and legislation. ; Homosexuality--Social aspects. ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Sexual minorities. ; Sexual orientation. ; Transgender people--Legal status, laws, etc. ; Transgender people--Violence against ; Transgender people. 17 4562 Social circle You mentioned now a couple different communities that have been really, um, important in your life and helpful to you. Martin talks about her own social circle, including coworkers at her various jobs, friends in the UK opera scene, and fellow drag performers. Bars ; Co-workers ; Communities ; Connections ; Coworkers ; Drag performers ; Drag queens ; Drag scene ; Employment ; Friendships ; Jobs ; LGBTQ community ; Musical theatre ; Opera ; Relationships ; Social circles ; Social life ; Socializing ; University of Kentucky ; Work Drag shows ; Female impersonators ; Lifestyles. 17 4766 Level of involvement in the LGBTQ community How would you characterize your relationship with the LGBTQ community at large? Martin talks about her involvement in the LGBTQ community, which she says has mostly been a passive, subversive role. She talks about the importance of visibility. She mentions some organizations and events she has been involved with. Activists ; Advocates ; African Americans ; Communities ; Existence ; Impact ; Involvement ; LGBTQ community ; Maids ; Organizations ; Passive ; Philosophy ; Subversive ; Television ; Transgender community ; Transylvania University ; Visibility Gay community ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Transgender identity ; Transgender people ; Transgender people--Identity 17 5047 Transgender visibility and representation You mentioned, uh, you know, this idea of visibility briefly. Martin talks more about the importance of visibility, particularly in the transgender community. She talks more about talk shows featuring trans guests, particularly those that were degrading to trans people. Activists ; Degrading ; Exposure ; Judgement ; Laverne Cox ; Representation ; Talk shows ; Visibility ; Women of color Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Transgender identity ; Transgender people ; Transgender people--Identity 17 5199 Generational differences in the LGBTQ community My next question is leaping topics a little bit. Martin talks about when she first heard the word 'queer' and what it meant then. She talks about the generational divide in the conversation about reclaiming the term. She talks about other generational differences, particularly in the transgender community regarding visibility and acceptance. 'Deep stealth' ; 'Queer' ; 'Stealth' ; Advisory boards ; Alone ; Books ; Changes ; Conversations ; Derogatory ; Evolution ; Fear ; Generations ; Identity ; In-fighting ; Inclusive ; Internet ; Mindsets ; Opinions ; Past ; Reclaiming ; Resources ; Slurs ; Surgery ; Terminology ; Terms ; Trans community ; Transgender community ; Violence ; Visibility ; Younger generations ; Youth Gay community ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual minority youth ; Transgender identity ; Transgender people--Identity. ; Transgender people. ; Transgender youth. 17 5806 Changing role of the Internet A couple of times you've remarked on--and this is my second to last question, just to give you the heads-up. Martin talks about how her use of the Internet has changed over time, in particular in regard to seeking knowledge about gender identity. She talks about how the Internet has changed the drag scene, particularly for young people who now have much greater access to knowledge about drag as well as the ability to shop online for items that were once hard to find. Accessibility ; Black eyeshadow ; Changes ; Childhood ; Clothes ; Clothing ; Drag mothers ; Drag scene ; Dresses ; Dressing rooms ; Generational differences ; Generations ; Importance ; Information-seekers ; Information-seeking ; Internet ; Librarians ; Louisville (Ky.) ; Mentors ; Reliance ; Resources ; Rites of passage ; Searching ; Shopping ; Songs ; Struggles ; Tutorials ; Wigs Drag shows ; Female impersonators ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Sexual minorities--Identity. ; Sexual minority youth ; Transgender identity ; Transgender people ; Transgender people--Identity ; Transgender people--Identity. ; Transgender people. ; Transgender youth. 17 6377 Plans for future participation in drag Where do you--well, you've done drag--you do drag. Martin talks about whether she plans to continue participating in drag shows. Burned out ; Burnt out ; Drag brunches ; Drag performers ; Employment ; Exhausting ; Future ; Introverted ; Jobs ; Performing ; Plans ; Working Drag shows ; Female impersonators ; Gay bars 17 6563 Process of preparing for a drag show I want to hear more about, um, your process or ritual. Martin describes the process of preparing for a drag show, from makeup to clothing to music. She talks about the types of crowds that she usually performs for at The Bar Complex. Apprehension ; Audiences ; Bars ; Crowds ; DJs ; Drag performers ; Drag queens ; Drag scene ; Early ; Experimental ; Looks ; Makeup ; Portfolios ; Preparation ; Processes ; Rituals ; Social media ; Song selection ; Songs Art ; Drag shows ; Female impersonators ; Gay bars ; Music ; Popular music 17 6818 Changes in the crowds at gay bars over time How have the crowds, or the audience, how has the audience changed over the years? Martin describes how the types of crowds at gay bars have changed over time. She discusses how the greater acceptance of LGBTQ individuals in the wider community has led to a decrease in the need for gay bars as safe havens, leading to more straight women frequenting gay bars. She gives a closing statement about her life in Kentucky. Ages ; Audiences ; Changes ; Choices ; Crowds ; Generational differences ; Generations ; Kentucky ; LGBTQ community ; Louisville (Ky.) ; Safe spaces ; Straight women ; Younger Art ; Drag shows ; Female impersonators ; Gay bars ; Gay community ; Lexington (Ky.). ; Music ; Popular music ; Sexual minority youth 17 interview Jen Martin shares her journey as a transgender woman from her first coming out as seemingly a gay man to coming out as transgender and transitioning in the University of Kentucky environment. Martin also shares her love for drag and for library sciences, as well as inter-generational observations about the LGBTQ community. No transcript. 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Jen Martin shares her journey as a transgender woman from her first coming out as seemingly a gay man to coming out as transgender and transitioning in the University of Kentucky environment. Martin also shares her love for drag and for library sciences, as well as inter-generational observations about the LGBTQ community.
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Gender identity
Gender expression
Femininity
Gender nonconformity
University of Kentucky
Transgender identity
Coming out (Sexual orientation)
Gay bars
Drag shows
Female impersonators
Coming out (Gender identity)
Lexington (Ky.).
Gay community
Sexual minorities.
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Transgender people.
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Sexual minority youth
Transgender people--Identity.
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